Each individual round does less damage than an AR, and the clip magazine is less than an AR; the fact that its burst makes the magazine deplete even faster than an AR. I don't see how the magazine size makes it OP.
A weapon being able to kill 2 or 3 people with one magazine doesn't seem like a problem to me.

Maybe you just had a very good game, not exactly proof of a balance issue.

It has huge dps, only SR, HMG and possibly shotguns beat it.

Each individual round does less damage than an AR, and the clip magazine is less than an AR; the fact that its burst makes the magazine deplete even faster than an AR. I don't see how the magazine size makes it OP.
A weapon being able to kill 2 or 3 people with one magazine doesn't seem like a problem to me.

Maybe you just had a very good game, not exactly proof of a balance issue.

Or maybe you're just good at the game and the people you were shooting at are'nt very good. I also find that a lot of the time one side of a whole team can be lagged out for whatever reason, making for easy kills.

Yeah and laser is also over powered. I know this because I went 33-3 with it yesterday.

It has high DPS, but not as much as the numbers would suggest; its completely dependent on how fast you can pull the trigger.

One complex damage mod
The suit I was using cost me 27k isk

I wish I had recorded it, but I was just playing casually. Don't usually record those ones. I did get a screenshot of it though.
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Okay enough of that...I wanted to make a point here.
I finally figured out why everyone keeps saying this weapon is OP. Originally, I didn't understand it but now it finally hit me.

I know when something is unfair. I know when something is being abused, or when it is cheap. This weapon is well...it's slightly overpowered.

But not is the way you might think! It's just an ammo issue. Really, the weapon just needs to have a smaller clip/magazine size. The fact it has 54 rounds before reloading is the problem. You can spam the weapon for a long time before having to reload, and in that time you can take out, two, three, even four people.

If we reduce the size of the clip, spamming the weapon will result in the user having to reload more often. With each burst being as powerful as it is, I feel this is a decent enough tradeoff. The Scrambler Rifle has the downside of overheating if you spam the weapon, so why shouldn't the CR have something similar that reduces the ability to spam?

You guys all act like this is common for me.

It really isn't. I hardly ever get more than 20 kills in a game. The fact that I got almost 50 kills in a match without even trying is concerning to me, not impressive.

Gah.

So obviouslY this happens every match you play. You wouldn't be silly enough to think one match results are definitive of anything.

Right?

I'm not that good of a player, but if a weapon used in the right way turns me from average to pro, and then I play for a few more matches and get the same results...of course I feel these results mean at least something.

If I can play against a bunch of randoms and get only 35 kills with prototype stuff, and then play against a full sqaud and get 47 kills with basic gear...it has to mean something.

I swear, the rest of you keep twisting my words and keep thinking that I'm trying to say things that I'm not. Edited again for people that I keep confusing.

I'm not that good of a player, but if a weapon used in the right way turns me from average to pro, and then I play for a few more matches and get the same results...of course I feel these results mean at least something.

If I can play against a bunch of randoms and get only 35 kills with prototype stuff, and then play against a full sqaud and get 47 kills with basic gear...it has to mean something.

I swear, the rest of you keep twisting my words and keep thinking that I'm trying to say things that I'm not. Edited again for people that I keep confusing.

Wrong again.

If you fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, the gun fires in irregular bursts. If you stay in "rhythm" with the gun though, and press the trigger as soon as one burst ends, you can fire it at almost automatic speeds.

The scrambler on the other hand...

Edit:
You guys all act like this is common for me.

It really isn't. I hardly ever get more than 20 kills in a game. The fact that I got almost 50 kills in a match without even trying is CONCERNING to me, not impressive.

Gah.

Double Edit:
This was the first time that I actually used this weapon properly. I also don't JUST use the STD combat rifle...

Games after this: 37/4, 33/8
This wasn't just a one time thing. I am getting similar results now EVERY TIME I use this weapon and it feels off. I don't like it. I don't want to like it. I don't want my favorite weapon to feel OP.
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One complex damage mod
The suit I was using cost me 27k isk

I wish I had recorded it, but I was just playing casually. Don't usually record those ones. I did get a screenshot of it though.
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Okay enough of that...I wanted to make a point here.
I finally figured out why everyone keeps saying this weapon is OP. Originally, I didn't understand it but now it finally hit me. (I dont think it is, EVERYONE ELSE DOES, but now I understand why)

I know when something is unfair. I know when something is being abused, or when it is cheap. I don't like the fact that this weapon feels slightly over powered.

But not the way you might think! It's just an ammo issue. Really, the weapon just needs to have a smaller clip/magazine size. The fact it has 54 rounds before reloading is the problem. You can spam the weapon for a long time before having to reload, and in that time you can take out, two, three, even four people.

If we reduce the size of the clip, spamming the weapon will result in the user having to reload more often. With each burst being as powerful as it is, I feel this is a decent enough tradeoff. The Scrambler Rifle has the downside of overheating if you spam the weapon, so why shouldn't the CR have something similar that reduces the ability to spam?

Wrong again.

If you fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, the gun fires in irregular bursts. If you stay in "rhythm" with the gun though, and press the trigger as soon as one burst ends, you can fire it at almost automatic speeds.

The scrambler on the other hand...

has more dps than a frekin HMG, no wonder heavies are useless

I went 255/0 in a Battle Academy match using a standard Plasma Cannon with one damage mod.

Clearly the plasma cannon is OP.

Edit:
You guys all act like this is common for me.

It really isn't. I hardly ever get more than 20 kills in a game. The fact that I got almost 50 kills in a match without even trying is CONCERNING to me, not impressive.

Gah.

Double Edit:
This was the first time that I actually used this weapon properly. I also don't JUST use the STD combat rifle...

Games after this: 37/4, 33/8
This wasn't just a one time thing. I am getting similar results now EVERY TIME I use this weapon and it feels off. I don't like it. I don't want to like it. I don't want my favorite weapon to feel OP.
__________________________________________

One complex damage mod
The suit I was using cost me 27k isk

I wish I had recorded it, but I was just playing casually. Don't usually record those ones. I did get a screenshot of it though.
_______________________________

Okay enough of that...I wanted to make a point here.
I finally figured out why everyone keeps saying this weapon is OP. Originally, I didn't understand it but now it finally hit me. (I dont think it is, EVERYONE ELSE DOES, but now I understand why)

I know when something is unfair. I know when something is being abused, or when it is cheap. I don't like the fact that this weapon feels slightly over powered.

But not the way you might think! It's just an ammo issue. Really, the weapon just needs to have a smaller clip/magazine size. The fact it has 54 rounds before reloading is the problem. You can spam the weapon for a long time before having to reload, and in that time you can take out, two, three, even four people.

If we reduce the size of the clip, spamming the weapon will result in the user having to reload more often. With each burst being as powerful as it is, I feel this is a decent enough tradeoff. The Scrambler Rifle has the downside of overheating if you spam the weapon, so why shouldn't the CR have something similar that reduces the ability to spam?

My gawd people like this makes heavies such a confused class in the game.

People want heavies to do more damage then a DPS and be a Tank at the same time... So you want them to have more killing potential then a DPS class and more Health being a tank class then everyone? >.>


Heavies need to be a tank... not a DPS class... this allows us to bridge mid range Assault variant stalemates... Push well defended objectives with Heavies in the front, logis on their back and assault's providing cover fire.

Until people realize we NEED the tri-star MMO function in DUST for all this persistent skill system and suit variants to work, this game is always gonna have a massive FOTM and Balance issue.

The Healer

The Tank

The DPS

Edit:
You guys all act like this is common for me.

It really isn't. I hardly ever get more than 20 kills in a game. The fact that I got almost 50 kills in a match without even trying is CONCERNING to me, not impressive.

Gah.

Double Edit:
This was the first time that I actually used this weapon properly. I also don't JUST use the STD combat rifle...

Games after this: 37/4, 33/8
This wasn't just a one time thing. I am getting similar results now EVERY TIME I use this weapon and it feels off. I don't like it. I don't want to like it. I don't want my favorite weapon to feel OP.
__________________________________________

One complex damage mod
The suit I was using cost me 27k isk

I wish I had recorded it, but I was just playing casually. Don't usually record those ones. I did get a screenshot of it though.
_______________________________

Okay enough of that...I wanted to make a point here.
I finally figured out why everyone keeps saying this weapon is OP. Originally, I didn't understand it but now it finally hit me. (I dont think it is, EVERYONE ELSE DOES, but now I understand why)

I know when something is unfair. I know when something is being abused, or when it is cheap. I don't like the fact that this weapon feels slightly over powered.

But not the way you might think! It's just an ammo issue. Really, the weapon just needs to have a smaller clip/magazine size. The fact it has 54 rounds before reloading is the problem. You can spam the weapon for a long time before having to reload, and in that time you can take out, two, three, even four people.

If we reduce the size of the clip, spamming the weapon will result in the user having to reload more often. With each burst being as powerful as it is, I feel this is a decent enough tradeoff. The Scrambler Rifle has the downside of overheating if you spam the weapon, so why shouldn't the CR have something similar that reduces the ability to spam?

I go 20 to 30 kills with 0 deaths in 50 clone Ambushes in a Soma on my alt with 1.6m SP, of which only 100k is in tanks. Something's wrong here.

Yep. You wasted 100kSP.

Wrong. It's required to fit a damage amp on the set, which allows me to completely shutdown enemy militia tanks.

It all comes down to how bad your opponents are when you get good scores...


Ive ran a couple of sub 20's, ran a couple of 30+'s with Combat Rifles, ran a 48/3 with my SCR litterally swearing through the entire match about its impossible to kill people now....and go ...oh ....at the end screen because i had to dodge 4 tanks meanwhile...

Then ended the day with a 58/2 with my SCR, the CR issnt bad, but i cannot run SCR scores with it, best i can manage are low 40's with a six kin.


But not having played for 2 whole weeks was me being pretty crappy in my 5 first games....

Its an effective weapon, ill give you that but its not a 6-7 people killing machine in a single overheat cycle.


PS: do remember that i am known to be bad with full auto weapons, ive played Semi weapons for most of my FPS days and burst weapon are completely not my thing, so for me the CR feels off for me.

Each individual round does less damage than an AR, and the clip magazine is less than an AR; the fact that its burst makes the magazine deplete even faster than an AR. I don't see how the magazine size makes it OP.
A weapon being able to kill 2 or 3 people with one magazine doesn't seem like a problem to me.

Maybe you just had a very good game, not exactly proof of a balance issue.