Its called patience and teamwork use them. Stop asking for a respec cause CCP isn't going to give you one. If you can't learn how to use the av with the new tank concept then that your fault not the gun.

I'm perfectly aware there's never going to be such a kind of respec, what CCP should get straight (and you too) is that the weapon is now useless, and dont come talking about team work, I play this game since closed beta, there is no team work with such a short range and nerfed damage, only luck can help you. I'm speaking as a tank and dropship pilot as well, what you are stating is pure fantasy. You give it a try, then come back here and tell us how many tanks and dropships you+¼ve destroyed, not counting the number of deaths you've had. Just be realistic.

I'm perfectly aware there's never going to be such a kind of respec, what CCP should get straight (and you too) is that the weapon is now useless, and dont come talking about team work, I play this game since closed beta, there is no team work with such a short range and nerfed damage, only luck can help you. I'm speaking as a tank and dropship pilot as well, what you are stating is pure fantasy. You give it a try, then come back here and tell us how many tanks and dropships you+¼ve destroyed, not counting the number of deaths you've had. Just be realistic.

I think not. It's the price to pay in order to spec into anything. Everything is unconditionally able to be changed and re-purposed as CCP sees fit. Every skill, every weapon, every suit, every animation.

You will only ever get refunded when something is removed or when an entire section is being remodeled.

like range being nerfed, damage being reduced, clip size being reduced, in fact almost all the skills for swarms were changed yet no respec for them. nothing different happened to swarm weapon and skills than happened to tanks. this nerf happened over 2 patches but combined they equate a total remake of the weapon yet no respec.

The lock-on range is a joke, whats the point of a pure AV weapon that can be avoided by flying just 176m up.

The TAC was once heralded as one of the most feared Plasma Rifle variants to encounter, as its rate of fire, damage, range, and clip caused it to be able to outperform everything that it encountered. Time passed and all the things that made the weapon feared was stripped from it due to abuse. There's a few of us that remember this and I'll be blunt: **** happens. People that was honest with using the TAC and mained with it were heartbroken about it, but they got over it. It's one of the "lesser" variants now.

I mentioned the TAC because it's in a comparable place to SLs.

I'm going to correct you about differences between SLs and HAVs though, so prepare yourself.

The entire skill tree for the HAVs was changed. Skills moved, removed, repurposed, remultiplied. 1.6's vehicle skills are nothing compared to 1.7's vehicle skill tree. Even the entry into using HAVs was changed. The entirety of how turrets operate in a prolonged time was changed with the introduction of ammo usage. Their modules even changed. They were properly refunded for their previous investment in skills that no longer exist, that had their multipliers changed, that no longer functioned. Your SL is fundamentally the same. I personally look down on SLs, but that's because I use the FG. SLs were effortless in 1.6.

The TAC was once heralded as one of the most feared Plasma Rifle variants to encounter, as its rate of fire, damage, range, and clip caused it to be able to outperform everything that it encountered. Time passed and all the things that made the weapon feared was stripped from it due to abuse. There's a few of us that remember this and I'll be blunt: **** happens. People that was honest with using the TAC and mained with it were heartbroken about it, but they got over it. It's one of the "lesser" variants now.

I mentioned the TAC because it's in a comparable place to SLs.

I'm going to correct you about differences between SLs and HAVs though, so prepare yourself.

The entire skill tree for the HAVs was changed. Skills moved, removed, repurposed, remultiplied. 1.6's vehicle skills are nothing compared to 1.7's vehicle skill tree. Even the entry into using HAVs was changed. The entirety of how turrets operate in a prolonged time was changed with the introduction of ammo usage. Their modules even changed. They were properly refunded for their previous investment in skills that no longer exist, that had their multipliers changed, that no longer functioned. Your SL is fundamentally the same. I personally look down on SLs, but that's because I use the FG. SLs were effortless in 1.6.

TL;DR - I don't want to adapt. The game should adapt around me.

that's the rude truth, the weapon has become completely useless and you CCP must understand this, you can rebuff swarmlaunchers to previous stats or respec sp to players, too much frustrating using that crap now.

PS. Congrats to the BRAIN who made this unbelievable nerf come true

sincererly.

Easy fix, more variants of the swarm launcher. One for dropships(longer range less damage per missile) One for shield tanks (maybe one of those net things) and then the armor varaiant(more armor dmg). Come on every other weapon has them and now it's time for the swarm. And FYI they have never been worth a damn except for bpo LAV . Worst part of this idea is that they will be way to op for a minute.

Wasn't the reason for the nerf because we have no proto dropships or tanks, so no matter what you did proto swarms and forge guns would be OP. And returning AV damage and range to what it was before would put us right back to square one.

Its called patience and teamwork use them. Stop asking for a respec cause CCP isn't going to give you one. If you can't learn how to use the av with the new tank concept then that your fault not the gun.

TL;DR - I don't want to adapt. The game should adapt around me.

Somebody with a brain!!!!! I < 3 you

Wasn't the reason for the nerf because we have no proto dropships or tanks, so no matter what you did proto swarms and forge guns would be OP. And returning AV damage and range to what it was before would put us right back to square one.

This Thread is full of tryhards. Really. Really hate to say this, but tankers should git gud. There's something really wrong when I can easily tank 3 Adv swarm launchers with my fully MLT fitted Soma / Sica.
And yes, I do have a 9 mln SP AV character and a 12 mln SP tank character so I perfectly know how to use both.

Kasote: yours are all beautiful words;

In this game you have to decide where to spec carefully, when you finally decided to spec into Tac AR and Caldari Logi then bang! Nerf Hammer. Look, I'm not saying those weapons / drop suits didn't need changes, but if someone specced into them and then you suddenly change anything in that thing, you at least have to refund the SP the poor guy spent on it.

TL;DR

If I sell you a pair of shoes, then come to you and "nerf" them, you would want your money back.