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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
4094
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:35:00 -
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And then no one will have AV, and people will cry some more about HAVs.
Nice idea OP.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
446
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:50:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:And then no one will have AV, and people will cry some more about HAVs.
Nice idea OP.
It IS a great idea as the devs MIGHT realize what a giant bag of sh*t the current AV/V balance is. Waves of opportunity? Yea when a tank can go speed racer at a moments notice to hide in his redline for the minuscule cooldown on his godmode button, then come back to continue murdering there IS NO GOD D*MN OPPORTUNITY. You just sprint for the next building hoping that the TANK MASTER RACE doesn't catch you out in the street.
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1805
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:32:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:that's the rude truth, the weapon has become completely useless and you CCP must understand this, you can rebuff swarmlaunchers to previous stats or respec sp to players, too much frustrating using that crap now. PS. Congrats to the BRAIN who made this unbelievable nerf come true sincererly. 
I'm usually against respecs but in this situation I agree since vehicle users got a respect for the drastic vehicle changes which also directly affected av users.
this game makes me sad....
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1805
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:34:00 -
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if AVers need to use teamwork to be effective, then tankers should need to do the same.... most tanks have 3 seats, they should all need to be filled before the tank can operate.
this game makes me sad....
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
4095
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:38:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:if AVers need to use teamwork to be effective, then tankers should need to do the same.... most vehicles have at least 3 seats, they should all need to be filled before the vehicle can operate.
Just because all three seats aren't filled, doesn't mean that tanker isn't using teamwork.
You know that infantry thats always giving you AVers such a hard time to position yourselves to destroy a HAV? Yes, thats the tanker's squad, and they're using teamwork to keep you off the HAV, instead of dealing with you while you're engaging the HAV.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5180
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:38:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:if AVers need to use teamwork to be effective, then tankers should need to do the same.... most vehicles have at least 3 seats, they should all need to be filled before the vehicle can operate.
If tanks became weaker, so that once their hardeners are down they are in deep ****, tankers would have a good reason to operate with infantry.
They would want infantry to quickly kill the AV people.
Suddenly, team work for everyone!
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5180
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:40:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:if AVers need to use teamwork to be effective, then tankers should need to do the same.... most vehicles have at least 3 seats, they should all need to be filled before the vehicle can operate. Just because all three seats aren't filled, doesn't mean that tanker isn't using teamwork. You know that infantry thats always giving you AVers such a hard time to position yourselves to destroy a HAV? Yes, thats the tanker's squad, and they're using teamwork to keep you off the HAV, instead of dealing with you while you're engaging the HAV.
lawl, solo tanks can do just fine.
My soma eats AV for breakfast, and then eats the AV players for dessert.
I'm serious, solo tank > 5~ AV, and it already happened.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
689
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Posted - 2013.12.30 18:10:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:I have had fun with swarms since skilling into them (on 1.7 release cause i did not know they were nerfed so bad)
Once you accept you will not destroy a tank and use the swarm as an area denial tool you will feel better about them.
area denial is not how i would describe swarms as they don't deny nothing
i have been in mlt tanks this patch and i tell you now there is zero to fear from swarms. with no skills i was able to sit through multiple strikes without the slightest fear i was going to die. and when my timer was about up i just drove away completely negating any swarm damage or effort that swarmer may have done.
the only fear for tanks is other tanks but even then tanks are so cheap now you don't care about losing them
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1814
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:25:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:if AVers need to use teamwork to be effective, then tankers should need to do the same.... most vehicles have at least 3 seats, they should all need to be filled before the vehicle can operate. Just because all three seats aren't filled, doesn't mean that tanker isn't using teamwork. You know that infantry thats always giving you AVers such a hard time to position yourselves to destroy a HAV? Yes, thats the tanker's squad, and they're using teamwork to keep you off the HAV, instead of dealing with you while you're engaging the HAV.
both teams have the infantry to help, but the tank itself should need it's 3 occupants to function if the argument you all get behind is one AVer cant match a tank.
this game makes me sad....
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2838
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:42:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:if AVers need to use teamwork to be effective, then tankers should need to do the same.... most vehicles have at least 3 seats, they should all need to be filled before the vehicle can operate. Just because all three seats aren't filled, doesn't mean that tanker isn't using teamwork. You know that infantry thats always giving you AVers such a hard time to position yourselves to destroy a HAV? Yes, thats the tanker's squad, and they're using teamwork to keep you off the HAV, instead of dealing with you while you're engaging the HAV.
Tunnelvision? Or are you sick with Spkr Syndrome?
I can do just as easily solo as I could in a squad. Even before 1.7 I didn't need a squad to NOT have my @$$ handed to me on a silver platter by AV. Heck, I can do it even easier inside of a MLT tank now.
That infantry giving you trouble is most likely a random blueberry, not a squadmate. Even if it was a squadmate it wouldn't make a difference considering how even having random blueberries would achieve the same result.
They are not REQUIRED to use teamwork. Because of this, AV should not be REQUIRED to use teamwork.
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Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
295
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:53:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:that's the rude truth, the weapon has become completely useless and you CCP must understand this, you can rebuff swarmlaunchers to previous stats or respec sp to players, too much frustrating using that crap now. PS. Congrats to the BRAIN who made this unbelievable nerf come true sincererly.
before I say anything, I agree, they are crap, this coming from a pilot btw... that being said I`ll continue.
what do you mean you did this? swarmers did this to themselves you can go back and see for yourself, pilots and vehiclelist aswell as others kept saying its a light fire and forget weapon and shouldn`t be able to take down tanks alone at ADV etc, swarmers allready gotten a few buffs like there distance and damage wanted more so they kept argueing and damanded faster swarms becuse "DS get away from my missiles" FYI ADS are light frame ships so they are weakers but agile, its not an exageration to say 90% of pilots also used an ACTIVE AIR fuel mod (based for DS exclusivly, its active on a light frame air ship, not much can go that fast) so of cuarse they will escape, i being a pilot of that build can tell you my Logi ship with the active feul mod only got away from swarmers with this on while allready going away from the luancher. swarmers also got RoF buff so a nerf was going to come anyway.
yes they need a buff 100% sure of that but its not like CCP or vehicle guys are at fualt becuse of it. it shouldn`t be buffed till 1.8 or 1.9 depending on when the vehicles are finished other wise what are we balancing them to? STD huals and 1 catigory of a few types of modules? |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
668
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:57:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:that's the rude truth, the weapon has become completely useless and you CCP must understand this, you can rebuff swarmlaunchers to previous stats or respec sp to players, too much frustrating using that crap now. PS. Congrats to the BRAIN who made this unbelievable nerf come true sincererly.
Yes please. I'll put those into tanks or remotes and lavs |
Baltazar Pontain
Phantom Universe Task Force
Die Fremdenlegion
42
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Posted - 2013.12.30 20:10:00 -
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I dumped a lot of SP into swarms.
But I do not want a respec.
It is part of my learning curve. And it reminds me to a ton of good fights with it.
There will be better times for swarms.
Do not cry for respec. Be proud for your skills. Time will change everything. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
637
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Posted - 2013.12.30 21:47:00 -
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Echoist wrote:Its called patience and teamwork use them. Stop asking for a respec cause CCP isn't going to give you one. If you can't learn how to use the av with the new tank concept then that your fault not the gun.
Caldari uses long range weapons. The swarm launcher has no range. They just spat on there lore. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
637
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Posted - 2013.12.30 21:50:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Now that players cannot lock from 400m away we find out just how bad some of these swarm users really are
ITS A LONG RANGE WEAPON YOU IDIOT. Caldari use long range weapons. this nerf is wrong. It makes eve lore pointless. All caldari weapons including missile launchers are long range. Learn the lore you dummy. |
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