DUST Search - taking out vehicles isn't that hard.

True Adamance wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

N1ck Comeau wrote:

i decided to pull out AV. Luckily a few teammates decided to pull out swarms. i destroyed 2 tanks on my own, assisted in one kill and destroyed the drop ship twice. and destroyed a different drop ship as well.

Ok now try to take on that DS driver and 6 tanks alone. LOL.

As you said it, YOU GOT LUCKY = a few teammates pulled out swarms.

as it is, getting in a game and be the only one trying to AV vs lots of enemy vehicles is very common.
Specially in Amarr and cal FW...

Well yeah then it becomes hard King but the easiest way to kill those six unskilled tankers is for people to man the **** up and hop in their own tanks.

Don't give me that bullshit about "I shouldn't have to play a certain way to achieve something" I am constantly getting out of my Tank to assist incompetent infantry who don't have the brains or the skill to take a point, kill a single enemy, or even on the odd occasions Forge down an enemy HAV from a building top or hard cover.

I ***** and moan out of game to Aero about how infantry game play is garbage, how most allied infantry cannot be trusted to do even the slightest of jobs, and that its state, boring, and down right one dimensional....but hell i'll still do it if I have to.

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N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.28 22:59:00 - [1] - Quote In an ambush match i just played earlier, the enemy team spammed tanks, and had a good dropship pilot. The tankers more or less just pinned us down on the bridge where the supply depot was. you all know that spot. the dropship however just mopped us up while we tried to not die. the dropshipper finished 25-0. we were losing hard in this match, down about 25 clones (oms game) i decided to pull out AV. Luckily a few teammates decided to pull out swarms. i destroyed 2 tanks on my own, assisted in one kill and destroyed the drop ship twice. and destroyed a different drop ship as well. We came back and won by 9 clones. The point of this story is, if there vehicles can't do anything. Then you can easily take out the opposition's infantry. No vehcile suppourt for them and to few infantry on the ground for them to have all their ground covered. Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 546	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:02:00 - [2] - Quote Taking out vehicles isn't that hard.... in ambush.
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 224	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:06:00 - [3] - Quote Taking out vehicles isnt hard period...The thing that makes me smile the most is people that pull up and hop out of their lav's. Can generally run around their car and put a few charges on it and get them to hop back in. Instant kill plus more. But yeah no vehicle is too hard to kill including alot of the tank fits people run. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 546	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:06:00 - [4] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Taking out vehicles isnt hard period...The thing that makes me smile the most is people that pull up and hop out of their lav's. Can generally run around their car and put a few charges on it and get them to hop back in. Instant kill plus more. But yeah no vehicle is too hard to kill including alot of the tank fits people run. ...except redline railgun tanks.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3551	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:09:00 - [5] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: i decided to pull out AV. Luckily a few teammates decided to pull out swarms. i destroyed 2 tanks on my own, assisted in one kill and destroyed the drop ship twice. and destroyed a different drop ship as well. Ok now try to take on that DS driver and 6 tanks alone. LOL. As you said it, YOU GOT LUCKY = a few teammates pulled out swarms. as it is, getting in a game and be the only one trying to AV vs lots of enemy vehicles is very common. Specially in Amarr and cal FW... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.29 01:08:00 - [6] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: i decided to pull out AV. Luckily a few teammates decided to pull out swarms. i destroyed 2 tanks on my own, assisted in one kill and destroyed the drop ship twice. and destroyed a different drop ship as well. Ok now try to take on that DS driver and 6 tanks alone. LOL. As you said it, YOU GOT LUCKY = a few teammates pulled out swarms. as it is, getting in a game and be the only one trying to AV vs lots of enemy vehicles is very common. Specially in Amarr and cal FW... it shouldnt have to be luck to take out vehicles. it was only to other guys with swarms, and they were hitting lav's or some dumb crap, only slightly helping with the big issue like the tanks Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Broonfondle Majikthies Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 642	Posted - 2013.12.29 01:23:00 - [7] - Quote Personally I have no AV because none exist in the game that I personally would find interesting or entertaining to use. I can't stand swarms and FG's kinda require you to go for a heavy suit as well. The PC interests me at times but I'm too aware that the shot is slow and the reload mechanic is too slow for anything less than a lvl 5 Commando and decent Rapid Reload skill. Even then its doesn't have the punch its slow shot really implies. Until then all I can fall back on is RE's, luckily they do pretty well Though considering the risk you have to go through to place them they don't really do enough. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 629	Posted - 2013.12.29 02:30:00 - [8] - Quote was the dropship xXBlackholeXx Nova? becuase thats the kind of stuff he does :P
Bad Heal Bleak Land Industries 116	Posted - 2013.12.29 02:33:00 - [9] - Quote Taking out vehicles isn't that hard... neither is calling one in
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 152	Posted - 2013.12.29 02:43:00 - [10] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: was the dropship xXBlackholeXx Nova? becuase thats the kind of stuff he does :P He's the first pilot I've seen to solo a squad of tanks Rail tanks are the first to die by him, then everything else... Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/

N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.29 03:03:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: was the dropship xXBlackholeXx Nova? becuase thats the kind of stuff he does :P it was. Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 630	Posted - 2013.12.29 03:12:00 - [12] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: was the dropship xXBlackholeXx Nova? becuase thats the kind of stuff he does :P it was. 20mil SP into dropships does wonderful things doesnt it :P just think, he probably diddnt even have gunners that game.... with a gunner its sooo much worse. is it wierd that i even know what build he was using just by the description of what happened in the match?
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1689	Posted - 2013.12.29 03:27:00 - [13] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: was the dropship xXBlackholeXx Nova? becuase thats the kind of stuff he does :P it was. 20mil SP into dropships does wonderful things doesnt it :P just think, he probably diddnt even have gunners that game.... with a gunner its sooo much worse. is it wierd that i even know what build he was using just by the description of what happened in the match? well, i was the only one who shot at him, so.... Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
p q Zylak's Used Clones 33	Posted - 2013.12.29 10:59:00 - [14] - Quote Vehicles in 1.7 have totally altered Domination matches. It's weird; some Dom maps make tanks useless, other maps make it a total "tank match". Ambush is the least altered game. Do people really play much Ambush? Ambush is what I play to take a break from the real games. Dropships and jeeps are always useful. My character focus has become a lot less useful since 1.7; now I run militia forge gun and militia railgun tank half the time instead of logistics; AV - the new support class. It's like I lost 10 to 14 mil sp in one update
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5300	Posted - 2013.12.29 11:59:00 - [15] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: i decided to pull out AV. Luckily a few teammates decided to pull out swarms. i destroyed 2 tanks on my own, assisted in one kill and destroyed the drop ship twice. and destroyed a different drop ship as well. Ok now try to take on that DS driver and 6 tanks alone. LOL. As you said it, YOU GOT LUCKY = a few teammates pulled out swarms. as it is, getting in a game and be the only one trying to AV vs lots of enemy vehicles is very common. Specially in Amarr and cal FW... Well yeah then it becomes hard King but the easiest way to kill those six unskilled tankers is for people to man the ** up and hop in their own tanks. Don't give me that bullshit about "I shouldn't have to play a certain way to achieve something" I am constantly getting out of my Tank to assist incompetent infantry who don't have the brains or the skill to take a point, kill a single enemy, or even on the odd occasions Forge down an enemy HAV from a building top or hard cover. I *** and moan out of game to Aero about how infantry game play is garbage, how most allied infantry cannot be trusted to do even the slightest of jobs, and that its state, boring, and down right one dimensional....but hell i'll still do it if I have to. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2055	Posted - 2013.12.29 13:46:00 - [16] - Quote lolambush Intelligence is OP
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1433	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:18:00 - [17] - Quote It takes 4 shots from my PROTOTYPE Assault Forge Gune to take out a MLT HAV without hardeners running. (I only know this because I caught a few bad tankers trying to retreat and they got stuck.) That's too much. Especially when the same 65k ISK MLT HAV can take me out in my 160k ISK Prototype Heavy before I can even charge the FG. I can no longer try to use a height advantage because the speed and maneuverability allows the HAV to easily break LoS or retreat out of range. So you tell me, should a Prototype Forge Gunner be able to fairly effortlessly solo a MLT HAV? "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
DJINN Nukem Black Phoenix Mercenaries 374	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:19:00 - [18] - Quote its all about strategy, if you just stand in the open your going to get taking out with your AV, hide and shoot, rpt Got to Be Smart people! Trample The Weak Hurdle the Dead
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 227	Posted - 2013.12.29 15:42:00 - [19] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Taking out vehicles isnt hard period...The thing that makes me smile the most is people that pull up and hop out of their lav's. Can generally run around their car and put a few charges on it and get them to hop back in. Instant kill plus more. But yeah no vehicle is too hard to kill including alot of the tank fits people run. ...except redline railgun tanks. yes but they aren't much of a threat honestly. There are generally so many blindspots to people in their redline with rails. Their a threat to vehicles like this but not much to infantry which I believe are the ones who are worrying most about the tanks. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Senator Snipe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 86	Posted - 2013.12.29 15:51:00 - [20] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: In an ambush match i just played earlier, the enemy team spammed tanks, and had a good dropship pilot. The tankers more or less just pinned us down on the bridge where the supply depot was. you all know that spot. the dropship however just mopped us up while we tried to not die. the dropshipper finished 25-0. we were losing hard in this match, down about 25 clones (oms game) i decided to pull out AV. Luckily a few teammates decided to pull out swarms. i destroyed 2 tanks on my own, assisted in one kill and destroyed the drop ship twice. and destroyed a different drop ship as well. We came back and won by 9 clones. The point of this story is, if there vehicles can't do anything. Then you can easily take out the opposition's infantry. No vehcile suppourt for them and to few infantry on the ground for them to have all their ground covered. were they using proto tanks? The Deadliest forge gunner in Dust 514

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1845	Posted - 2013.12.29 15:54:00 - [21] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: It takes 4 shots from my PROTOTYPE Assault Forge Gune to take out a MLT HAV without hardeners running. (I only know this because I caught a few bad tankers trying to retreat and they got stuck.) That's too much. Especially when the same 65k ISK MLT HAV can take me out in my 160k ISK Prototype Heavy before I can even charge the FG. I can no longer try to use a height advantage because the speed and maneuverability allows the HAV to easily break LoS or retreat out of range. So you tell me, should a Prototype Forge Gunner be able to fairly effortlessly solo a MLT HAV? At least you don't have to reload. Proto swarms with 3 complex mods and prof 3. It can still kill MLT tanks, the only problem is I get mowed down quite a bit. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1595	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:20:00 - [22] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: It takes 4 shots from my PROTOTYPE Assault Forge Gune to take out a MLT HAV without hardeners running. (I only know this because I caught a few bad tankers trying to retreat and they got stuck.) That's too much. Especially when the same 65k ISK MLT HAV can take me out in my 160k ISK Prototype Heavy before I can even charge the FG. I can no longer try to use a height advantage because the speed and maneuverability allows the HAV to easily break LoS or retreat out of range. So you tell me, should a Prototype Forge Gunner be able to fairly effortlessly solo a MLT HAV? Infantry complains a tank can kill him. Complains that MLT gear is cheaper than PRO gear. Infantryman complains that he can no longer solo tanks. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1437	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:34:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: It takes 4 shots from my PROTOTYPE Assault Forge Gune to take out a MLT HAV without hardeners running. (I only know this because I caught a few bad tankers trying to retreat and they got stuck.) That's too much. Especially when the same 65k ISK MLT HAV can take me out in my 160k ISK Prototype Heavy before I can even charge the FG. I can no longer try to use a height advantage because the speed and maneuverability allows the HAV to easily break LoS or retreat out of range. So you tell me, should a Prototype Forge Gunner be able to fairly effortlessly solo a MLT HAV? Infantry complains a tank can kill him. Complains that MLT gear is cheaper than PRO gear. Infantryman complains that he can no longer solo tanks. We all know how biased you are bruh! I'm fully a fully specced heavy. I'm talking Millions of SP between my Dropsuit, Weapons, and Modules. There is not reason I shouldn't be able to handle some scrub in a 0 SP MLT HAV easily. Sure, Proto AV vs Proto HAV should require teamwork on the part of AV in the form of TWO fully dedicated AV specialists. When it takes at least two fully dedicated Proto AV specialists using teamwork and tactics to take out a MLT HAV that knows just enough to not get his HAV stuck, there is a serious problem with balance. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 349	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:24:00 - [24] - Quote I think if someone were to start running a purely AV fit regularly, they would have a hay-day. Who cares what some sniper has to say
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 253	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:39:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: i decided to pull out AV. Luckily a few teammates decided to pull out swarms. i destroyed 2 tanks on my own, assisted in one kill and destroyed the drop ship twice. and destroyed a different drop ship as well. Ok now try to take on that DS driver and 6 tanks alone. LOL. As you said it, YOU GOT LUCKY = a few teammates pulled out swarms. as it is, getting in a game and be the only one trying to AV vs lots of enemy vehicles is very common. Specially in Amarr and cal FW... Well yeah then it becomes hard King but the easiest way to kill those six unskilled tankers is for people to man the ** up and hop in their own tanks. Don't give me that bullshit about "I shouldn't have to play a certain way to achieve something" I am constantly getting out of my Tank to assist incompetent infantry who don't have the brains or the skill to take a point, kill a single enemy, or even on the odd occasions Forge down an enemy HAV from a building top or hard cover. I *** and moan out of game to Aero about how infantry game play is garbage, how most allied infantry cannot be trusted to do even the slightest of jobs, and that its state, boring, and down right one dimensional....but hell i'll still do it if I have to. what happen to that team of turds you joined, and declared how you were going to enjoy killing us minmatar? finally give up? scrotums of something or other
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 527	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:02:00 - [26] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: It takes 4 shots from my PROTOTYPE Assault Forge Gune to take out a MLT HAV without hardeners running. (I only know this because I caught a few bad tankers trying to retreat and they got stuck.) That's too much. Especially when the same 65k ISK MLT HAV can take me out in my 160k ISK Prototype Heavy before I can even charge the FG. I can no longer try to use a height advantage because the speed and maneuverability allows the HAV to easily break LoS or retreat out of range. So you tell me, should a Prototype Forge Gunner be able to fairly effortlessly solo a MLT HAV? Sucks being useless doesn't it? Now you know how dropship pilots have felt since beta. This post reminds me so much of posts i would make about forge guns and rail tanks. Just think on that for a bit.
AK Cyberdemon Red Star. EoN. 8	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:29:00 - [27] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: In an ambush match i just played earlier, the enemy team spammed tanks, and had a good dropship pilot. The tankers more or less just pinned us down on the bridge where the supply depot was. you all know that spot. the dropship however just mopped us up while we tried to not die. the dropshipper finished 25-0. we were losing hard in this match, down about 25 clones (oms game) i decided to pull out AV. Luckily a few teammates decided to pull out swarms. i destroyed 2 tanks on my own, assisted in one kill and destroyed the drop ship twice. and destroyed a different drop ship as well. We came back and won by 9 clones. The point of this story is, if there vehicles can't do anything. Then you can easily take out the opposition's infantry. No vehcile suppourt for them and to few infantry on the ground for them to have all their ground covered. Its not hard to take out vehicles if you have some kind of teamwork. But when you are the only who is doing it, then it gets a little more difficult. It requires teamwork to take out vehicles and 99.99% of the player base doesn't know the definition of teamwork. Come on now, who has ever heard of teamwork, games have only been around for so many years. You figure people would get that by now, or get a mic.


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