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Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings 75	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:06:00 - [1] - Quote Tell me why snipers are so bad. outside of them "not being men" and "not meeting face to face" i would like to hear other reasons why people hate snipers... I'm right behind you...
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 62	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:07:00 - [2] - Quote i stopped caring about snipers when i started tanking lol
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 136	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:13:00 - [3] - Quote I hunt snipers, I am a sniper.-That is all. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
Broonfondle Majikthies Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 632	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:16:00 - [4] - Quote Because when we get taken out by anything else in the game we can go to our fittings or change up our strategy to counter them. Redline snipers have no counter and so are immensely frustrating to players. The ideal situation would be to force snipers out of the redline so we can outmanoeuvre them (At great risk and expense of time crossing the ground to get to them) so we can turn the tables on them in a balanced game mechanic which doesn't allow players to essentially be untouchable while they kill the opposition with impunity. That is why we hate snipers "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 137	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:21:00 - [5] - Quote Anything you can't counter with an AR is hated; scouts, scouts with CRs, scouts with shotguns, snipers. See where I'm going? 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Think twice before you aim at me, you might already be dead.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 481	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:21:00 - [6] - Quote The hate all seems to come down to the fact that they can so easily abuse the redline. Often times, they can abuse the redline such that the only counter is another sniper (provided they actually render an you can find them).
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1838	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:26:00 - [7] - Quote Snipers will be hated in all games no matter what. The difference with Dust is, it's a risk/reward system. And snipers have low risk, high reward. The Thale is the most seen officer weapon in PUBs. Not to mention redline snipers. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 137	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:27:00 - [8] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Anything you can't counter with an AR is hated; scouts, scouts with CRs, scouts with shotguns, snipers. See where I'm going? Need I say more? 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Think twice before you aim at me, you might already be dead.
Oswald Rehnquist 961	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:40:00 - [9] - Quote A long time ago I use to snipe, but rarely can you snipe without hurting your team, which is why I dropped sniper rifles for the most part, when I do snipe its more of my secondary as I run a rolling sniper scan/hacker build. Most of my kills were in the 150-300 range, because I still want to still be involved in the match. They hurt your team because sniper rifles in dust suck, period, so to make sure that the reward is higher than the risk you have to be way out there in the boon docks, and most snipers I've seen have trouble scrapping up more than 250 wp let alone 500 wp. Those who can make sniper rifles sing are great, by singing I mean 15+ kills in a skirmish match (thats 10-12 mins), but most suck because they are difficult weapons not in usage but just poor alpha, bad hit detection, and poor risk/reward mechanics for it which push you way to far. Dust has very few real snipers, most are just tired or aren't as twitchy as the other players to front line it. Below 28 dB
Chrystalis213 Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:43:00 - [10] - Quote The hatred towards snipers has been in pretty much every shooter game I have played. It's also my favorite play style. Personally, I think snipers are just the low man on the totem pole so to speak. We are silent for the most part and that makes for an easy target. Yet, I wonder if we piped up for every time we saved a squad member or helped turn the tide at an captured objective, would we be so hated? Also to counter the thought of sniping being low risk, hmmm I don't see the low risk. High stress at times, but not low risk.

PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 138	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:43:00 - [11] - Quote Frontline vs. Redline? Hmm... Frontline FTW. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Think twice before you aim at me, you might already be dead.
Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings 75	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:09:00 - [12] - Quote Sniping from the redline does suck for infantry... but, "to shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed or distant position," one definition of a sniper. Snipers are to not be seen or heard, what would you have us do get close enough for an assault rifle or scrambler rifle to shoot us? If i was to get that close... i would carry an assault rifle or a scramble rifle. Just like the scout with RE and NK or shotgun, we're a nuisance that forces the enemy lines into disarray. Imagine how you feel when you get surprised by RE or shotgun, it psses you off and startles you a bit, but, you can go find the blur running around and easily shoot him without having to leave the battle area. With a sniper... not so much. I think its more of an inconvenience to players to have to counter a sniper, so snipers are not fun. Having to stop and scan a ridge line or scour the back hills in inconvenient and time consuming and detracts from what you'd rather be doing. Unfortunately this is not grounds to constantly attempt to rid the game of snipers. You say high reward, low risk, Tanks, Turrets, Scouts, Snipers and Dropship's all pose a large risk to sniper's. Infantry pose low risk to snipers and is why we are hated by them. Although most who have fired a sniper rifle know the hit detection is low and requires a direct hit on the target. All in all snipers don't contribute nearly as much as a scout running around hacking and laying RE and whatnot but what little they contribute may have huge repercussions throughout the battle. If your running around and randomly drop just know someone decided to kill you several seconds before you dropped and your position has already been relayed to squadmates. Love it , hate it, its a part of this game that has been nerfed to tolerance and will always *** you off when it hits you. I'm right behind you...
Chrystalis213 Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:15:00 - [13] - Quote I was gung ho with you Sal except for one thing. The intel we give our squad is invaluable. Snipers are the eyes and ears for the whole map. I'd say that is as good a contribution as any.
Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings 76	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:23:00 - [14] - Quote Salviatino Maiano wrote: Sniping from the redline does suck for infantry... but, "to shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed or distant position," one definition of a sniper. Snipers are to not be seen or heard, what would you have us do get close enough for an assault rifle or scrambler rifle to shoot us? If i was to get that close... i would carry an assault rifle or a scramble rifle. Just like the scout with RE and NK or shotgun, we're a nuisance that forces the enemy lines into disarray. Imagine how you feel when you get surprised by RE or shotgun, it psses you off and startles you a bit, but, you can go find the blur running around and easily shoot him without having to leave the battle area. With a sniper... not so much. I think its more of an inconvenience to players to have to counter a sniper, so snipers are not fun. Having to stop and scan a ridge line or scour the back hills in inconvenient and time consuming and detracts from what you'd rather be doing. Unfortunately this is not grounds to constantly attempt to rid the game of snipers. You say high reward, low risk, Tanks, Turrets, Scouts, Snipers and Dropship's all pose a large risk to sniper's. Infantry pose low risk to snipers and is why we are hated by them. Although most who have fired a sniper rifle know the hit detection is low and requires a direct hit on the target. All in all snipers don't contribute nearly as much as a scout running around hacking and laying RE and whatnot but what little they contribute may have huge repercussions throughout the battle. If your running around and randomly drop just know someone decided to kill you several seconds before you dropped and your position has already been relayed to squadmates. Love it , hate it, its a part of this game that has been nerfed to tolerance and will always *** you off when it hits you. One thing i forgot, i don't believe that sniper rifle should fit on heavy suits... that is all I'm right behind you...
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 208	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:42:00 - [15] - Quote Salviatino Maiano wrote: Sniping from the redline does suck for infantry... but, "to shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed or distant position," one definition of a sniper. Snipers are to not be seen or heard, what would you have us do get close enough for an assault rifle or scrambler rifle to shoot us? If i was to get that close... i would carry an assault rifle or a scramble rifle. If I can hunt you down without the redline interfering, I hate you but I am perfectly fine with the mechanics. If I cannot hunt you down because the redline flat-out prevents me, I hate you and the mechanics are busted. Snipers are fine, the biggest problem I have is when the redline is abused (Snipers, Railgunners and...er, Snipers!) such that the Risk/Reward is skewed to being ___/Reward. It may not be tons of reward, but it's almost riskless. As AV users have said about HAVs, the only counter should not be the same thing: snipers should run the risk of someone expending substantial time and effort to come and hunt them down - because then an excellent sniper would keep them even more occupied.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5128	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:45:00 - [16] - Quote K/DR padders that are completely safe from retaliation. That is all. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings 76	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:45:00 - [17] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: Sniping from the redline does suck for infantry... but, "to shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed or distant position," one definition of a sniper. Snipers are to not be seen or heard, what would you have us do get close enough for an assault rifle or scrambler rifle to shoot us? If i was to get that close... i would carry an assault rifle or a scramble rifle. If I can hunt you down without the redline interfering, I hate you but I am perfectly fine with the mechanics. If I cannot hunt you down because the redline flat-out prevents me, I hate you and the mechanics are busted. Snipers are fine, the biggest problem I have is when the redline is abused (Snipers, Railgunners and...er, Snipers!) such that the Risk/Reward is skewed to being ___/Reward. It may not be tons of reward, but it's almost riskless. As AV users have said about HAVs, the only counter should not be the same thing: snipers should run the risk of someone expending substantial time and effort to come and hunt them down - because then an excellent sniper would keep them even more occupied. Agreed, I do not condone or support hiding in the redline. fix that, then buff my DPS! ^_^ I'm right behind you...
Ironyimation Inception SAM-MIK 19	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:02:00 - [18] - Quote ARs should be able to snipe to 500m and RRs should snipe to 750m, wah.
Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings 77	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:05:00 - [19] - Quote Ironyimation Inception wrote: ARs should be able to snipe to 500m and RRs should snipe to 750m, wah. only if they incorporate 5db suits and visual cloaking to go with them.... ; ) I'm right behind you...
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:07:00 - [20] - Quote It's a shame that communication in this game is so hard. The fact that snipers are far away means that they have good insight into the situation of the battlefield. The game needs some kind of tagging mechanic or something, which would allow snipers to play a stronger support role. Personally, I snipe from wherever I can get the best view of the action. I don't care about the red line at all - Sometime's I'm behind it, sometimes I'm not. If I spend a minute without seeing any enemies, I reposition. If I meet an enemy at medium range while repositioning, I shoot him. Even if I don't get the headshot, I'll force them into cover. I make good use of my Scrambler Pistol, as well. The most intense thing is running with a squad. Because then you need to keep your distance while being useful. It's harder to find a safe spot at medium distance and you need to know a lot about the map and be very good at quickly scoping and shooting to make yourself useful.

Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 404	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:10:00 - [21] - Quote it is generally annoying to be suddenly shot and killed, especially when you have no idea where your killer was. but snipers are annoying by nature and design so i cant blame them for using that playstyle however if you snipe on my team you better be annoying as hell to the other team. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2277	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:15:00 - [22] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Because when we get taken out by anything else in the game we can go to our fittings or change up our strategy to counter them. Redline snipers have no counter and so are immensely frustrating to players. The ideal situation would be to force snipers out of the redline so we can outmanoeuvre them (At great risk and expense of time crossing the ground to get to them) so we can turn the tables on them in a balanced game mechanic which doesn't allow players to essentially be untouchable while they kill the opposition with impunity. That is why we hate snipers You seriously can't come up with a single fit or tactic to kill a redline sniper? // Spike Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1862	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:20:00 - [23] - Quote In a game where overtaking objectives is the key to winning, sniping from 500m away isn't really helpful. 1 sniper in position to keep a couple consoles clean, while calling in intel to his/her team is alright. 6 - 10 pussies hiding behind an installation or terrain glitching in the redline is ******* useless. So, yep. Hate 'em. Alyssa Milano.
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 55	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:29:00 - [24] - Quote I don't hate snipers per se. I hate redline abusers, and a lot of snipers seem to fall into that category. I've played around with sniper rifles enough to know that it's not the easiest role in the game. There's another thing that bothers me though and that's when you end up with too many snipers on your own team (im fact I hate that more than getting killed by enemy snipers), because we on the front line are getting slaughtered due to insufficient numbers all the while you see eight little blue dots on some high ridge somewhere trying to pot shot at enemies (missing most of the time too). You just want to shout in their face and shower them with spittle to get the **** out there and make themselves useful for a change.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2277	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:52:00 - [25] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: I don't hate snipers per se. I hate redline abusers, and a lot of snipers seem to fall into that category. I've played around with sniper rifles enough to know that it's not the easiest role in the game. There's another thing that bothers me though and that's when you end up with too many snipers on your own team (im fact I hate that more than getting killed by enemy snipers), because we on the front line are getting slaughtered due to insufficient numbers all the while you see eight little blue dots on some high ridge somewhere trying to pot shot at enemies (missing most of the time too). You just want to shout in their face and shower them with spittle to get the **** out there and make themselves useful for a change. Using the cover of the redline is not the issue. The way the maps are built its often the only place to find decent vantage points in order to do the job. If I need to snipe at targets that have an elevation advantage and the best spot is outside of the redline then I'm more than willing to use that position. Fracture Road is a good example of a new style map that limits redline sniping and both forces snipers to move forward while giving them opportunities to have enough cover to do their job. The real problem is when one team has more than the one or two useful snipers. Usually, this is because your team is being stomped and are tired of throwing away clones and equipment. Sometimes switching to something stealthy and placing decent uplinks behind the redlining forces will help, not often but it can happen. If the clock is running down, your MCC is about to die and there is no hope do you continue to throw away ISK to 'fight the good fight?' Sometimes, but I can be pretty hard-headed. Saying that redline snipers are untouchable and don't contribute is totally bogus. Having a significant portion of your team hiding in the hills early in the fight is a real problem. // Spike Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Lorhak Gannarsein 923	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:04:00 - [26] - Quote I like using a railgun for countersniping. I pull a damage-modded proto rail for those pesky Thale Heavies. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings 79	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:33:00 - [27] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: I don't hate snipers per se. I hate redline abusers, and a lot of snipers seem to fall into that category. I've played around with sniper rifles enough to know that it's not the easiest role in the game. There's another thing that bothers me though and that's when you end up with too many snipers on your own team (im fact I hate that more than getting killed by enemy snipers), because we on the front line are getting slaughtered due to insufficient numbers all the while you see eight little blue dots on some high ridge somewhere trying to pot shot at enemies (missing most of the time too). You just want to shout in their face and shower them with spittle to get the **** out there and make themselves useful for a change. Too many snipers is always a problem, if i see 3 or more people sniping i hit up the supply depot and start using my RE's I'm right behind you...
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 68	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:06:00 - [28] - Quote RIGHT OF REPLY I WILL ONLY SAY THIS ONCE. If you all NEED it to be explained... then sit down, and comprehend the following statement. THERE IS A DIRECT COLIATION OF TANKS514 and REDLINE SNIPERS IT HAPPENED IN 1.2>1.3 AND IT IS HAPPENING NOW. WHY DO I SAY THIS? If you NEED this explained then figure out what fps is and don't ever play the genre again. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 56	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:11:00 - [29] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: I don't hate snipers per se. I hate redline abusers, and a lot of snipers seem to fall into that category. I've played around with sniper rifles enough to know that it's not the easiest role in the game. There's another thing that bothers me though and that's when you end up with too many snipers on your own team (im fact I hate that more than getting killed by enemy snipers), because we on the front line are getting slaughtered due to insufficient numbers all the while you see eight little blue dots on some high ridge somewhere trying to pot shot at enemies (missing most of the time too). You just want to shout in their face and shower them with spittle to get the **** out there and make themselves useful for a change. Using the cover of the redline is not the issue. The way the maps are built its often the only place to find decent vantage points in order to do the job. If I need to snipe at targets that have an elevation advantage and the best spot is outside of the redline then I'm more than willing to use that position. Fracture Road is a good example of a new style map that limits redline sniping and both forces snipers to move forward while giving them opportunities to have enough cover to do their job. The real problem is when one team has more than the one or two useful snipers. Usually, this is because your team is being stomped and are tired of throwing away clones and equipment. Sometimes switching to something stealthy and placing decent uplinks behind the redlining forces will help, not often but it can happen. If the clock is running down, your MCC is about to die and there is no hope do you continue to throw away ISK to 'fight the good fight?' Sometimes, but I can be pretty hard-headed. Saying that redline snipers are untouchable and don't contribute is totally bogus. Having a significant portion of your team hiding in the hills early in the fight is a real problem. No it's not bogus because the number of kills and warpoints speak for themselves. You don't win PC/FW/Skirmish by hiding behind a redline taking long range pot shots at enemies. Snipers rarely top the scoreboard at the end of the matches, because they just don't contribute as much. I applaud snipers with the common sense to actually keep overwatch over the null cannons though, making sure that the enemy can't hack them. But far from all snipers do that, they are just out to polish their kdr with random pot shots from far away. -.-
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 143	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:24:00 - [30] - Quote All you need is one, one GOOD sniper. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Think twice before you aim at me, you might already be dead.

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1863	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:29:00 - [31] - Quote MLT Scout STD Weapon of choice STD Flux Grenades ADV(?) R-9 Uplinks BASIC Cardiac Regulator I think it's about 15,000 ISK (without BPOs) and it will flip a match in under 10 ticks if you can get a well-coordinated pair of them on the field before the wusses run to the hills in the redline. Drop a link, hack, bust a move. Drop the other link, get to a Supply Depot. Switch to point defense fitting of choice and go back to help the blues that spawned in. Lather, Rinse, Repeat as necessary. Just don't be a lazy *****. Alyssa Milano.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 96	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:32:00 - [32] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Anything you can't counter with an AR is hated; scouts, scouts with CRs, scouts with shotguns, snipers. See where I'm going? well..since i stopped using exclusivly SGs (since this game has way to few CQC opportunities/no real CQC-Maps) and started using CR (@lvl 4) and ARs (@ lvl 3) i get quite often hatemail (mostly butthurt proto pubstompers). this game has so many tryhards and cheap tactics ezmode clowns hating everything that opposes them...it's not even funny -_-" i mean why does some wimpy scout angers you so much? Ohhh nooo you couldnt get your perfect 20/0 score the 6th time in a row you proto scanner asslogi...what a drama....
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 913	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:33:00 - [33] - Quote snipers outside their redline - A okay working as intended(this includes tower and mountain snipers seriously its fine with me) snipers inside their redline - scum of the earth, unless their team is redlined, in which case it's sorta understandable. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 332	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:33:00 - [34] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I hunt snipers, I am a sniper.-That is all. This I'd love my teams snipers if they were taking out the other snipers, never seems to be the case though. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1371	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:36:00 - [35] - Quote I always hated snipers here on Dust. It absolutely takes no skill to snipe and it's everyone's "isk gain" suit: it's not because you can't counter them, it's because it takes no skills, really. Tank 514.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 559	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:42:00 - [36] - Quote If they give scouts unlimited time in the enemy red line then I could care less.
First Prophet Minmatar Republic 1365	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:51:00 - [37] - Quote The only good sniper is a teabagged one. :3 Users found this review helpful.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2167	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:53:00 - [38] - Quote i hate snipers because they kill me and nobody else. even when theirs a frontline caldari with low armour Storing Ammo- The Process Of Playing Dust 514 And Remembering LoL Moments, Then Rhyming About Them. Soulja Ghostface
negative49er The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 466	Posted - 2013.12.28 17:03:00 - [39] - Quote I only hate them if i can't get to them. Dedicated Shotgun Scout
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 569	Posted - 2013.12.28 17:05:00 - [40] - Quote Salviatino Maiano wrote: Tell me why snipers are so bad. outside of them "not being men" and "not meeting face to face" i would like to hear other reasons why people hate snipers... I feel bad for snipers they have the hardest job. The map designs in DUST have no purpose no flow no ladders or elevators no real way to change levels without a dedicated dropship... Then the only area they are given to really setup properly on the map is the redline. Scanners screw them over even if they did hide in a good spot on the map... Map design screws snipers over and makes them use cowardly techniques. Basically CCP has made snipers a niche job where only a few can do it successfully...

THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 302	Posted - 2013.12.28 17:11:00 - [41] - Quote Snipers kinda have that carebear type vibe going on...just doing what's safe, comfortable, with their warm milk, cookies and elmo plush. As a logi I kind of do the same...trying to avoid direct confrontation while still exploiting the battlefield for points, but as a logi I have bigger balls and usually earn more war points and contribute more to the victory.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 343	Posted - 2013.12.28 17:19:00 - [42] - Quote Salviatino Maiano wrote: Tell me why snipers are so bad. outside of them "not being men" and "not meeting face to face" i would like to hear other reasons why people hate snipers... Why I hate "snipers" 1.) They don't help the team. 2.) They never communicate 3.) They are selfish players 4.) They are cowards. 5.) At best, they strive for the role 'battlefield pest' 6.) Studies have shown most "snipers" are racists Who cares what some sniper has to say
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 914	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:15:00 - [43] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: Tell me why snipers are so bad. outside of them "not being men" and "not meeting face to face" i would like to hear other reasons why people hate snipers... Why I hate "snipers" 1.) They don't help the team. 2.) They never communicate 3.) They are selfish players 4.) They are cowards. 5.) At best, they strive for the role 'battlefield pest' 6.) Studies have shown most "snipers" are racists I could argue the "don't help the team" bit. occasionally a sniper will get in a position where the can lock down a null cannon and that is helpful. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 194	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:20:00 - [44] - Quote Salviatino Maiano wrote: Tell me why snipers are so bad. outside of them "not being men" and "not meeting face to face" i would like to hear other reasons why people hate snipers... I hate snipers because they always pick on me I love you though Salv!
Auris Lionesse SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 20	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:31:00 - [45] - Quote I don't hate Snipers, I hate red line cowards who let their team lose so they can get four kills and zero deaths.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:54:00 - [46] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Anything you can't counter with an AR is hated; scouts, scouts with CRs, scouts with shotguns, snipers. See where I'm going? Need I say more? You've said it twice and it's dumb. This isn't about being countered by the "Godly"AR...the problem is a player can sit in the redline, unreachable by the enemy, and also possibly undenderable to the enemy. Plinking players with a 350 shot per damage super scoped weapon. Redline war points should be eliminated, plain and simple. I have no problem with real snipers. I like having one on my team. There are few that come to mind like sleepy zan, or Jath in my corp. Guys that can also kill you with an SMG when you go looking, because they aren't abusing a broken mechanic.. When I start getting hit by too many snipers I will even get my sniper rifle and start counter sniping. And I like run and gun sniping because when they see me with my sniper rifle and think "easy kill" they get to meet my m-209 or ishukone smg. TL;DR Sniping is fine. Redline sniping (or tanking or anything) is a load of bullsh*t.
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:56:00 - [47] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Snipers will be hated in all games no matter what. The difference with Dust is, it's a risk/reward system. And snipers have low risk, high reward. The Thale is the most seen officer weapon in PUBs. Not to mention redline snipers. Snipers are hated in all games. They REALLY suck in real life too!
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2013.12.28 19:03:00 - [48] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Salviatino Maiano wrote: Tell me why snipers are so bad. outside of them "not being men" and "not meeting face to face" i would like to hear other reasons why people hate snipers... Why I hate "snipers" 1.) They don't help the team. 2.) They never communicate 3.) They are selfish players 4.) They are cowards. 5.) At best, they strive for the role 'battlefield pest' 6.) Studies have shown most "snipers" are racists I think this is the majority of snipers who give the whole class a bad name. In general I agree with this. But having a real sniper (you only need one really) can lock down an objective and provide over watch. But yeah when I join a pub and see six or seven guys on my team all clustered in our mountains, makes me with is was FW so I could go kill them. If you have more than two snipers on a team against a good opponent, you are going to lose. Like someone said a few days ago...whoever has the most snipers, loses!
Wrex Valkarien DIRTY LAUNDRY 514 1	Posted - 2013.12.28 19:48:00 - [49] - Quote As a fellow sniper, nothing brings me greater joy than killing redline snipers, i snipe from the field of battle and my kdr will still be 3-1. I average around 8-12 kills per match while still being under the constant threat from infantry. Redline snipers are cowards who bring nothing to the battlefield.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 572	Posted - 2013.12.28 19:50:00 - [50] - Quote Proto redline snipers with 1500 EHP *Assassination is my thing.*

DildoMcnutz Science For Death 380	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:03:00 - [51] - Quote Now this doesn't apply to all snipers but why do i hate 90% of the snipers i see? One of the most useful things a sniper can do imo is to counter snipe, yet they never do it, its like all snipers have an agreement to ignore each other whilst sitting high up in the mountains firing into the "bowl" at all the frontline infantry most likely because they won't change fits to deal with them.
Broonfondle Majikthies Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 641	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:06:00 - [52] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Because when we get taken out by anything else in the game we can go to our fittings or change up our strategy to counter them. Redline snipers have no counter and so are immensely frustrating to players. The ideal situation would be to force snipers out of the redline so we can outmanoeuvre them (At great risk and expense of time crossing the ground to get to them) so we can turn the tables on them in a balanced game mechanic which doesn't allow players to essentially be untouchable while they kill the opposition with impunity. That is why we hate snipers You seriously can't come up with a single fit or tactic to kill a redline sniper? Depends. On the whole the 2 main tactics are a suicide run into the redline or get another sniper rifle and try to outclass them. Countering with a suicide run is not sustainable and counter-sniping is not a genuine counter as your matching equal weapon effectiveness rather than using your strengths to your advantage so the balance is in your favour. If I encounter a Heavy I can still take them down in my scout suit by wearing it down or by constantly repositioning. I don't have to resort to strapping on a heavy suit and going toe to toe with them. Countering by responding in kind is not a counter. Besides since they have the positioning they can either take you out first or retreat the moment you start firing "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 427	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:19:00 - [53] - Quote I miss the snipers. someone needs to show the rail rifle who's boss. quando omni flunkus, moritati
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1842	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:22:00 - [54] - Quote Suanar Daranaus wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Snipers will be hated in all games no matter what. The difference with Dust is, it's a risk/reward system. And snipers have low risk, high reward. The Thale is the most seen officer weapon in PUBs. Not to mention redline snipers. Snipers are hated in all games. They REALLY suck in real life too! I've been saying "F-ing snipers!" since CS. I hate the AWP. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Onesimus Tarsus 728	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:23:00 - [55] - Quote I have never had a sniper tell me anything useful, because they are myopically staring down a tube from a mile out trying to pick off people hacking objectives. But, at least sniping keeps them away from real weapons and out of the way. Big red button that respecs your SP on demand. Protos only get points from killing protos.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 2322	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:28:00 - [56] - Quote Snipers are fairly annoying, but they are just fine. I dislike them being in my team because most of them are useless. The only useful sniper is an active and competent counter-sniper. Taking down some random people at random times does not really help the team. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Jane Madson Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 275	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:34:00 - [57] - Quote As a heavy, snippers can be annoying but mostly harmless, but when i start getting shot from redline snippers, i have a adv. medium frame with proto snipper rifle that i will change into to kill them if the match outcome is decided. Its quite fun head shotting some fool hinding behind the redline. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.(Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us)
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1073	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:37:00 - [58] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Snipers are fairly annoying, but they are just fine. I dislike them being in my team because most of them are useless. The only useful sniper is an active and competent counter-sniper. Taking down some random people at random times does not really help the team. we are in full agreement here. Most snipers can be countered with militia kit because they are used to being ignored. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Jane Madson Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 275	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:41:00 - [59] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: I have never had a sniper tell me anything useful, because they are myopically staring down a tube from a mile out trying to pick off people hacking objectives. But, at least sniping keeps them away from real weapons and out of the way. I have, but then again they are not really snipping, they just survy the battlefield and call enemy locations and equipment. Maybe defend a single objective from being hacked by the random redberry. But a single snipper can not defend an objective from a squad. If see a snipper defending, i place my fat suit between them and the player hacking and absorb all they can give. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.(Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us)
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 728	Posted - 2013.12.28 20:49:00 - [60] - Quote The real list of broken ass sniper mechanics & why we hate them- Redline snipers are unreachable, countered only by sniping back inside THEIR range. Sniping is too damn easy, no bullet drop, just point and shoot for high damage. Snipers are often too hard to detect, from broken hit indicators, to multiple snipers, to not rendering. Headglitching is actually still possible(literally unable to be fired back upon by your target, easily done with minmatar medium suits[have the smallest head] few people TRULY headglitch however, you can easily kill people who attempt sitting behind a hill but dont know how its REALLY done.) Snipers only counter is itself, just like tanks its incredibly broken. Snipers require you completely go out of your way to counter them, meaning you waste time and are completely useless to your team during that time. Snipers are too damn common, 1-2 is all thats needed in matches, yet scrubs who suck turn to sniping because they dont wanna lose their STD gear( these are not real snipers, they're the scrubs who use garbage gear for sniping and go 2-5/2 every match.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 159	Posted - 2013.12.28 21:00:00 - [61] - Quote Generally, Snipers are useless (or worse) to teams and are outdone by forge gunners playing the same role, but with the advantage of AV. That's why you rarely, if ever, see them in PC. I dislike snipers for those reasons, and actively encourage any in my squad to play a more productive role.
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 17	Posted - 2013.12.28 22:08:00 - [62] - Quote Snipers make it so players actually have to think while playing the game. It's extremely frustrating to see them acomplish so much more with so much less. With a one good sniper on your side, You automatically get 1/4 to 1/3 less enemy clones you have to deal with The threat of any AV troops is removed During any given time in battle at least one enemy squad will be pinned down The effectivness of enemy snipers is nullified The enemy is forced to send tanks and DS's to hunt down the sniper, as opposed to concentrating on objectives Heavy troops HP become effectively halved, allowing newer or weaker mercs to easily conquer them Most Medium and Light frame suits are under constant threat of being insta-popped Smarter more experienced players will avoid routes being overwatched by the sniper, reducing their overall effectiveness Not only does he never die, he saves the lives of others as well by assisting them with thier kills His only downfall? He don't hack! Just wait 'till cloaking comes out, you ain't even began to learn how much you really hate snipers... o7 "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
Sclompton Face-Smasher Living Like Larry Schwag 17	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:32:00 - [63] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: A long time ago I use to snipe, but rarely can you snipe without hurting your team, which is why I dropped sniper rifles for the most part, when I do snipe its more of my secondary as I run a rolling sniper scan/hacker build. Most of my kills were in the 150-300 range, because I still want to still be involved in the match. They hurt your team because sniper rifles in dust suck, period, so to make sure that the reward is higher than the risk you have to be way out there in the boon docks, and most snipers I've seen have trouble scrapping up more than 250 wp let alone 500 wp. Those who can make sniper rifles sing are great, by singing I mean 15+ kills in a skirmish match (thats 10-12 mins), but most suck because they are difficult weapons not in usage but just poor alpha, bad hit detection, and poor risk/reward mechanics for it which push you way to far. Dust has very few real snipers, most are just tired or aren't as twitchy as the other players to front line it. So what your saying is all you care about is kills and wp farming? Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Sclompton Face-Smasher Living Like Larry Schwag 17	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:35:00 - [64] - Quote Mitch Laurence wrote: Snipers make it so players actually have to think while playing the game. It's extremely frustrating to see them acomplish so much more with so much less. With a one good sniper on your side, You automatically get 1/4 to 1/3 less enemy clones you have to deal with The threat of any AV troops is removed During any given time in battle at least one enemy squad will be pinned down The effectivness of enemy snipers is nullified The enemy is forced to send tanks and DS's to hunt down the sniper, as opposed to concentrating on objectives Heavy troops HP become effectively halved, allowing newer or weaker mercs to easily conquer them Most Medium and Light frame suits are under constant threat of being insta-popped Smarter more experienced players will avoid routes being overwatched by the sniper, reducing their overall effectiveness Not only does he never die, he saves the lives of others as well by assisting them with thier kills His only downfall? He don't hack! Just wait 'till cloaking comes out, you ain't even began to learn how much you really hate snipers... o7 Any time period for the cloaking thing? and thanks for explaining snipers to the ones that aren't completely ignorant. Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 723	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:46:00 - [65] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: The hate all seems to come down to the fact that they can so easily abuse the redline. Often times, they can abuse the redline such that the only counter is another sniper (provided they actually render an you can find them). Yes. What is your point? Throw on a militia sniper suit and counter snipe the guy. Or tell your team sniper where he is. Munch Dedicated Sniper. Minmatar Patriot (5).
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 723	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:51:00 - [66] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Now this doesn't apply to all snipers but why do i hate 90% of the snipers i see? One of the most useful things a sniper can do imo is to counter snipe, yet they never do it, its like all snipers have an agreement to ignore each other whilst sitting high up in the mountains firing into the "bowl" at all the frontline infantry most likely because they won't change fits to deal with them. This is completely untrue. I kill tons of other snipers. There is a whole sub-game between snipers. Munch Dedicated Sniper. Minmatar Patriot (5).
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 723	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:55:00 - [67] - Quote Jane Madson wrote: But a single snipper can not defend an objective from a squad. No single player can defend an objective from a squad. No one. Munch Dedicated Sniper. Minmatar Patriot (5).
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 522	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:55:00 - [68] - Quote A good sniper can be very annoying but you don't see many anymore besides Thales snipers or charged snipers. Edit, i don't hate snipers
rretri bution 26	Posted - 2013.12.29 09:04:00 - [69] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: I always hated snipers here on Dust. It absolutely takes no skill to snipe and it's everyone's "isk gain" suit: it's not because you can't counter them, it's because it takes no skills, really. Up to now, every time I get killed by a charge sniper rifle or a TAR 07 all I think is "look at this noob...". But I remember on MAG and BF3, I used to congratulate with good snipers because it actually took skills to even hit the target. yeah, BF3 had bullet drop and scope glare, I remember if the snipers were sniping towards the sun you could track them by the sun reflecting off their scopes, another great thing was the recoil on AR's you had to burst fire them
rretri bution 26	Posted - 2013.12.29 09:10:00 - [70] - Quote Blind Nojoy wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Anything you can't counter with an AR is hated; scouts, scouts with CRs, scouts with shotguns, snipers. See where I'm going? Need I say more? You've said it twice and it's dumb. This isn't about being countered by the "Godly"AR...the problem is a player can sit in the redline, unreachable by the enemy, and also possibly undenderable to the enemy. Plinking players with a 350 shot per damage super scoped weapon. Redline war points should be eliminated, plain and simple. I have no problem with real snipers. I like having one on my team. There are few that come to mind like sleepy zan, or Jath in my corp. Guys that can also kill you with an SMG when you go looking, because they aren't abusing a broken mechanic.. When I start getting hit by too many snipers I will even get my sniper rifle and start counter sniping. And I like run and gun sniping because when they see me with my sniper rifle and think "easy kill" they get to meet my m-209 or ishukone smg. TL;DR Sniping is fine. Redline sniping (or tanking or anything) is a load of bullsh*t. its funny when I do suicide missions into the redline and I run up on redline snipers, they dont even carry sidearms and they just hop around while I kill them, thats if they are not looking down the scope which most of the time they are and they have no awareness, I've landed dropships next to them and they don't even know, there are some horrible snipers in this game. That really does say something about a sniper when they don't even carry a sidearm, it means they are so safe and cozy in the redline and they have no intention of leaving it.

rretri bution 26	Posted - 2013.12.29 09:11:00 - [71] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Jane Madson wrote: But a single snipper can not defend an objective from a squad. No single player can defend an objective from a squad. No one. Munch i agree
rretri bution 26	Posted - 2013.12.29 09:16:00 - [72] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Now this doesn't apply to all snipers but why do i hate 90% of the snipers i see? One of the most useful things a sniper can do imo is to counter snipe, yet they never do it, its like all snipers have an agreement to ignore each other whilst sitting high up in the mountains firing into the "bowl" at all the frontline infantry most likely because they won't change fits to deal with them. I agree, I get so mad when I'm out on the field getting harassed by snipers, then I look around my map and I see freindly snipers in the hills on every side and they aren't countersniping the enemy snipers that are right in front of them, I've even seen a friendly sniper on a hill and then 100 meters away on the same hill is an enemy sniper, and they aren't shooting each other, instead they are both harassing infantry
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1143	Posted - 2013.12.29 11:43:00 - [73] - Quote I don't hate snipers but I don't think their play style contributes to their teams success in anyway. Sure, there are a few notable exceptions. We have some snipers in our corp who regularly snipe people as they jump out of the MCC and have 60+ kill games. These same snipers make a point of calling out targets and sharing intel with their squads. They contribute to the teams success but the other 99% of snipers out there really do nothing. Sure it is annoying to get killed by a sniper but has it ever stopped me from taking a point? No. Heck, half the time I get hit once then I make it to safety with all my armor intact. The sniper's round doing no lasting harm to me at all and only forcing me to move in a slightly silly manner to prevent my name from gracing the kill feed. I know this is rather inflamatory to say but I truely think that all shooters (DUST included) would be better off without any sniper weapons. Yep, I said it, remove all snipers. Lets think about what makes a "tactical" FPS experience fun shall we? 1) winning matches (fun!) 2) working together in well coordinated teams 3) furious fire fights (win or loose the intensity is what makes these games fun) 4) explosions everywhere 5) the rumble of vehicles as the roll by 6) the ratatat/zaaap of your weapon firing 7) completing/capturing objectives 8) gaining access to new/more powerful weapons 9) taking on a skilled player and coming out on top (it means your better than he is and a better person too) 10) killing red dots Notice that I placed killing people at number 10. Yea killing folks is part of an FPS but it is most fun when it is an intense experience and sitting in the red line with almost no risk is as antithetical to that intense experience as you can get. Also, killing is something done by every single class in this game, all of which have other responsibilities as well. Why then, and this is the big question, do we have one class that is absolved of every other role responsibility (they don't hack/defend/destroy vehiclies/etc...)? The snipers contribution to the battle field (remember I'm talking about the 99% snipers here not the 1% who are actually good) is so minimal as to make the esentially annoyances and nothing else. By removing snipers from the game CCP would be pushing more players into the front lines (even with a RR you can't shoot from the redline all match) which would lead to more intense battles and a more entertaining gaming experience for everyone involved. Dear CCP, Please do the brave thing and either remove sniping from the game entirely (my personal preference as they contribute next to nothing to the battle field) or make the SP cost required to play as a sniper much higher (thus reducing their presences but still allowing a point of entry for the useful sniping elite). Thank you, Mobius Kaethis Fun > Realism
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 945	Posted - 2013.12.29 11:48:00 - [74] - Quote If i get sniped...good shot. If he is in the red zone...(censor). After red line crap gets fixed by not inflicting damage, sniping needs a buff. Honestly.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.12.29 11:50:00 - [75] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Now this doesn't apply to all snipers but why do i hate 90% of the snipers i see? One of the most useful things a sniper can do imo is to counter snipe, yet they never do it, its like all snipers have an agreement to ignore each other whilst sitting high up in the mountains firing into the "bowl" at all the frontline infantry most likely because they won't change fits to deal with them. That's due to the range nerf. The snipers sit at opposite sides of the battlefield. They can't shoot each other - They can only shoot the combatants. Then again, sometimes I sneak up on those guys if they kill too many people on my team. Which is kinda hard, because often there's no Man's land in between you, with flat open terrain. And I don't have assault dropships.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1143	Posted - 2013.12.29 11:56:00 - [76] - Quote On a little side note I'd like to state that much of my dislike for snipers comes from those matches where no fewer than half of my team mates are sniping. A perfect example of how sniping is making the game less fun for everyone since the rest of us are being bored to death/held hostage by our team mates selfish sniping. If you find yourself in this situation I suggest that you do the following: Step one: Find someone on your team who is sniping and has any annoying sniping name (often something like "Headshot Sniper Death1" or "ShotThroughTheEYE", snipers love to show off their "prowess"). Step two: Stand in front of said sniper. When he/she moves, you move. Just stay in front of them blocking their line of site denying them the KDR padding shots that they crave in their little selfish hearts. Step three: When the sniper seems nice and agitated send them an in game mail stating, "According to our records the in match quota for snipers has already been reached. If you would like to expand the quota so that you may also snipe you must pay the 'sniper quota expansion fee' of 1 mil. ISK. Failure to pay this fee will result in a continued denial of your in game sniping." Step four: This will of course make the sniper very angry at you so they will probably reply to your message with a lot of swearing and name calling. Respond to this by saying, "Your choice of language is in clear violation of the EULA for this game. In light of your violation the 'sniper quota expansion fee' has doubled to 2 mil isk. Each future infraction will result in another doubling of the fee." Repeat this step until the end of the match and beyond. Step five: When you have a down moment from all the moving about and mailing, call in a LAV and try to crush said sniper. Its not part of the ISK extortion scheme (a CCP sanctioned activity BTW) but is certainly is fun. Finally: Sip from your overflowing cup o' tears. Fun > Realism
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 550	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:03:00 - [77] - Quote Salviatino Maiano wrote: Tell me why snipers are so bad. outside of them "not being men" and "not meeting face to face" i would like to hear other reasons why people hate snipers... Fking COWARDS hiding in bushes,mcc roof,behind rock,under lav's,REDLINE ChantsPVE PVE PVE PVE
Darius Ashran Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 34	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:14:00 - [78] - Quote From an earlier post a sniper made that i responded to. Enjoy your feedback. "You think people hate on snipers because they are killed by them? Most of you useless bastards cant hit the broad side of a barn. I am sick of seeing up to a 3rd of the team sitting in the back with sniper rifles. News flash if your in that situation. Take it upon yourself to go change kits and actually be useful. Most of you dumb **** snipers cant do anything beneficial for the team. I have seen maybe 5 snipers in nearly 2 years who are worth a god damn to their team. You people are clueless and completely self deluded if you think your an " asset" to you teammates sitting back coming away with a 10-20 man kill streak by the end of the match. Did you kill clones? Sure yeah great GJ! But a scrub with and AR would have outdone you and actually offered close in support on objectives. Some snipers. And i stress very few. Actually understand the need to move and be active on the field. And to you fine gentlemen I congratulate you for understanding how to play your role. The rest of you can eat a big bag of dicks. And maybe if we are really lucky you will choke on them and trouble us no more."
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2543	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:24:00 - [79] - Quote The reason I hate them is they do so little for their team. Big whoop, you went 32/0 with your Thales in the red line while our team roflstomped yours at the objective and won. Also any player worth their salt in DUST can get amazing scores like that with just an AR, SCR, CR, or RR. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1144	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:29:00 - [80] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: The reason I hate them is they do so little for their team. Big whoop, you went 32/0 with your Thales in the red line while our team roflstomped yours at the objective and won. Also any player worth their salt in DUST can get amazing scores like that with just an AR, SCR, CR, or RR. Well said. Fun > Realism

Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 26	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:07:00 - [81] - Quote After the incident Mr. Kaethis withdrew from his friends and family. He would wash himself frequently, trying to wash the pain away. No amount of soap could wash away the guilt of knowing that he put himself in that situation, he thought it was all his fault. After the weeks of denial and self loathing came the anger. He began to lash out at his fellow mercs, then he put himself in his tormentors shoes. He would become the powerful one, he would molest the innocent just like his abuser did to him. The following statement was made by Mr. Kaethis after his first attempt of smexual transference: Mobius Kaethis wrote: On a little side note I'd like to state that much of my dislike for snipers comes from those matches where no fewer than half of my team mates are sniping. A perfect example of how sniping is making the game less fun for everyone since the rest of us are being bored to death/held hostage by our team mates selfish sniping. If you find yourself in this situation I suggest that you do the following: Step one: Find someone on your team who is sniping and has any annoying sniping name (often something like "Headshot Sniper Death1" or "ShotThroughTheEYE", snipers love to show off their "prowess"). Step two: Stand in front of said sniper. When he/she moves, you move. Just stay in front of them blocking their line of site denying them the KDR padding shots that they crave in their little selfish hearts. Step three: When the sniper seems nice and agitated send them an in game mail stating, "According to our records the in match quota for snipers has already been reached. If you would like to expand the quota so that you may also snipe you must pay the 'sniper quota expansion fee' of 1 mil. ISK. Failure to pay this fee will result in a continued denial of your in game sniping." Step four: This will of course make the sniper very angry at you so they will probably reply to your message with a lot of swearing and name calling. Respond to this by saying, "Your choice of language is in clear violation of the EULA for this game. In light of your violation the 'sniper quota expansion fee' has doubled to 2 mil isk. Each future infraction will result in another doubling of the fee." Repeat this step until the end of the match and beyond. Step five: When you have a down moment from all the moving about and mailing, call in a LAV and try to crush said sniper. Its not part of the ISK extortion scheme (a CCP sanctioned activity BTW) but is certainly is fun. Finally: Sip from your overflowing cup o' tears. Outwardly he boasted that his inappropriate actions brought him joy. The truth was that his reenactment brought him right back to that dark place which he tried so desperately to forget. It was fresh in his mind again. The cold of the rocks that scratched his skin when he tried to squirm, the howl of the wind that drowned out his cries for help. The foul smell of alcohol and myofibril stimulants on Mr. Thales breath. He could still feel the iron clad grip which he physically could not break free from, he could still feel Mr. Thale inside him. At this time we would like to address Dr. Atiim who poses a simple yet sensitive question for you: Atiim wrote: Point on this doll to where Thale touched you. We understand that you don't want to relive that horrible experience. Don't worry, your in a safe place. Mr. Thale can't hurt you here. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
Sleepy Zan 0uter.Heaven 2930	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:37:00 - [82] - Quote Mitch Laurence wrote: We understand that you don't want to relive that horrible experience. Don't worry, your in a safe place. Mr. Thale can't hurt you here. Sleepy Zan (Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle) Mitch Laurence They call me a legend, they call me an asshole, they call me a pioneer. Truth is..... ...I'm just sleepy.
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 36	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:53:00 - [83] - Quote To heavy snipers I reply with a Kaalakiota Sniper Rifle (on sniper char fit, I use the Tactical on my main, a non-sniper). 3 hits, with 1 to the face if he is really pesky, ends that issue. These people are the majority of my "easy" kills. Generally speaking, the bigger they are, the less they move. Once 1 teammate mentions the direction they got hit I will swap out, take them out, then get back in the fight with a switch. I find that most will give up after being taken out 2-3 times because sniping is not a profession you should ever die at......especially more than once. I snipe to take out snipers and the reds that like to stay out of the range of my team/squad, but rarely is it my main role in a match (even if it's the best fitting I have on my alt). Snipers are necessary, and only a problem to people because it disrupts their "best" playstyle. They want to play a certain way, and "those cheatin redliners are disrupting my god-mode". Either learn to take out a sniper, learn to cope with changing battlefield conditions, or STFU while I remove the only thing on the field that is hurting you. You can then continue to show/explain why snipers are useless and you carried us, even tho you would still be hiding behind that pillar the whole match had I not killed "the Sentinel with a Thale". Everybody complains about direct counters to their playstyle, but just because you don't like it doesn't matter. If you are that upset about enemy redliners, take them out yourself. If you are upset about blue snipers, stand next to then firing off a laser rifle into the field. I guarantee a red sniper will assist you in eradicating all of your pesky BlueSnipes. According to what I've read so far, you will lose the match with those sniper out there anyway, and I'm sure if I see you I would shoot sniper first and let you show me where the rest are. So help a brotha out why don't ya. Do it enough and the sniper will leave or stop sniping. Granted that takes another gun away from the match, and serves no purpose but spite, but I think we learned one thing about dust, we are powered by the tears of anyone other than ourselves. TL;DR: Not a regular sniper, but annoyed that people would rather ***** and moan instead of actually taking out the problem. Friends, squad/corpmates, or randoms....they all do it. STFU or switch and kill him yourself.
NOAMIzzzzz FREE AGENTS LP 81	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:55:00 - [84] - Quote I say tanks are worse, i love snipers now...
Lorhak Gannarsein 940	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:35:00 - [85] - Quote Mitch Laurence wrote: LOTS OF SILLY WORDS Lorhak Gannarsein (Gunnlogi - Particle Cannon) Mitch Laurence Lorhak Gannarsein (Gunnlogi - Particle Cannon) Mitch Laurence Lorhak Gannarsein (Gunnlogi - Particle Cannon) Mitch Laurence Mitch Laurence left the battle Where on the doll? Doesn't matter, cos I'm sitting on your redline, counter sniping with a tank. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1144	Posted - 2013.12.30 00:57:00 - [86] - Quote Mitch Laurence wrote: After the incident Mr. Kaethis withdrew from his friends and family. He would wash himself frequently, trying to wash the pain away. No amount of soap could wash away the guilt of knowing that he put himself in that situation, he thought it was all his fault. After the weeks of denial and self loathing came the anger. He began to lash out at his fellow mercs, then he put himself in his tormentors shoes. He would become the powerful one, he would molest the innocent just like his abuser did to him. The following statement was made by Mr. Kaethis after his first attempt of smexual transference: Mobius Kaethis wrote: On a little side note I'd like to state that much of my dislike for snipers comes from those matches where no fewer than half of my team mates are sniping. A perfect example of how sniping is making the game less fun for everyone since the rest of us are being bored to death/held hostage by our team mates selfish sniping. If you find yourself in this situation I suggest that you do the following: Step one: Find someone on your team who is sniping and has any annoying sniping name (often something like "Headshot Sniper Death1" or "ShotThroughTheEYE", snipers love to show off their "prowess"). Step two: Stand in front of said sniper. When he/she moves, you move. Just stay in front of them blocking their line of site denying them the KDR padding shots that they crave in their little selfish hearts. Step three: When the sniper seems nice and agitated send them an in game mail stating, "According to our records the in match quota for snipers has already been reached. If you would like to expand the quota so that you may also snipe you must pay the 'sniper quota expansion fee' of 1 mil. ISK. Failure to pay this fee will result in a continued denial of your in game sniping." Step four: This will of course make the sniper very angry at you so they will probably reply to your message with a lot of swearing and name calling. Respond to this by saying, "Your choice of language is in clear violation of the EULA for this game. In light of your violation the 'sniper quota expansion fee' has doubled to 2 mil isk. Each future infraction will result in another doubling of the fee." Repeat this step until the end of the match and beyond. Step five: When you have a down moment from all the moving about and mailing, call in a LAV and try to crush said sniper. Its not part of the ISK extortion scheme (a CCP sanctioned activity BTW) but is certainly is fun. Finally: Sip from your overflowing cup o' tears. Outwardly he boasted that his inappropriate actions brought him joy. The truth was that his reenactment brought him right back to that dark place which he tried so desperately to forget. It was fresh in his mind again. The cold of the rocks that scratched his skin when he tried to squirm, the howl of the wind that drowned out his cries for help. The foul smell of alcohol and myofibril stimulants on Mr. Thales breath. He could still feel the iron clad grip which he physically could not break free from, he could still feel Mr. Thale inside him. At this time we would like to address Dr. Atiim who poses a simple yet sensitive question for you: Atiim wrote: Point on this doll to where Thale touched you. We understand that you don't want to relive that horrible experience. Don't worry, your in a safe place. Mr. Thale can't hurt you here. Nope. It was all about punishing the over represented blue sniper. I started it. I enjoyed it. I'd do it again in a heart beat. Keep your self-referential psycho-babble to yourself please sir. Fun > Realism
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1392	Posted - 2013.12.30 01:20:00 - [87] - Quote My scout runs at around 300 eHP. I hate snipers. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized


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