A long time ago I use to snipe, but rarely can you snipe without hurting your team, which is why I dropped sniper rifles for the most part, when I do snipe its more of my secondary as I run a rolling sniper scan/hacker build. Most of my kills were in the 150-300 range, because I still want to still be involved in the match.

They hurt your team because sniper rifles in dust suck, period, so to make sure that the reward is higher than the risk you have to be way out there in the boon docks, and most snipers I've seen have trouble scrapping up more than 250 wp let alone 500 wp.

Those who can make sniper rifles sing are great, by singing I mean 15+ kills in a skirmish match (thats 10-12 mins), but most suck because they are difficult weapons not in usage but just poor alpha, bad hit detection, and poor risk/reward mechanics for it which push you way to far.

Dust has very few real snipers, most are just tired or aren't as twitchy as the other players to front line it.

Snipers make it so players actually have to think while playing the game. It's extremely frustrating to see them acomplish so much more with so much less.

With a one good sniper on your side,
You automatically get 1/4 to 1/3 less enemy clones you have to deal with
The threat of any AV troops is removed
During any given time in battle at least one enemy squad will be pinned down
The effectivness of enemy snipers is nullified
The enemy is forced to send tanks and DS's to hunt down the sniper, as opposed to concentrating on objectives
Heavy troops HP become effectively halved, allowing newer or weaker mercs to easily conquer them
Most Medium and Light frame suits are under constant threat of being insta-popped
Smarter more experienced players will avoid routes being overwatched by the sniper, reducing their overall effectiveness
Not only does he never die, he saves the lives of others as well by assisting them with thier kills

His only downfall? He don't hack!
Just wait 'till cloaking comes out, you ain't even began to learn how much you really hate snipers...
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The hate all seems to come down to the fact that they can so easily abuse the redline.

Often times, they can abuse the redline such that the only counter is another sniper (provided they actually render an you can find them).

Now this doesn't apply to all snipers but why do i hate 90% of the snipers i see? One of the most useful things a sniper can do imo is to counter snipe, yet they never do it, its like all snipers have an agreement to ignore each other whilst sitting high up in the mountains firing into the "bowl" at all the frontline infantry most likely because they won't change fits to deal with them.

But a single snipper can not defend an objective from a squad.

I always hated snipers here on Dust. It absolutely takes no skill to snipe and it's everyone's "isk gain" suit: it's not because you can't counter them, it's because it takes no skills, really.

Up to now, every time I get killed by a charge sniper rifle or a TAR 07 all I think is "look at this noob...". But I remember on MAG and BF3, I used to congratulate with good snipers because it actually took skills to even hit the target.

You've said it twice and it's dumb. This isn't about being countered by the "Godly"AR...the problem is a player can sit in the redline, unreachable by the enemy, and also possibly undenderable to the enemy. Plinking players with a 350 shot per damage super scoped weapon.

Redline war points should be eliminated, plain and simple.

I have no problem with real snipers. I like having one on my team. There are few that come to mind like sleepy zan, or Jath in my corp. Guys that can also kill you with an SMG when you go looking, because they aren't abusing a broken mechanic..

When I start getting hit by too many snipers I will even get my sniper rifle and start counter sniping. And I like run and gun sniping because when they see me with my sniper rifle and think "easy kill" they get to meet my m-209 or ishukone smg.

TL;DR
Sniping is fine. Redline sniping (or tanking or anything) is a load of bullsh*t.

No single player can defend an objective from a squad.

No one.


Munch

Now this doesn't apply to all snipers but why do i hate 90% of the snipers i see? One of the most useful things a sniper can do imo is to counter snipe, yet they never do it, its like all snipers have an agreement to ignore each other whilst sitting high up in the mountains firing into the "bowl" at all the frontline infantry most likely because they won't change fits to deal with them.

Now this doesn't apply to all snipers but why do i hate 90% of the snipers i see? One of the most useful things a sniper can do imo is to counter snipe, yet they never do it, its like all snipers have an agreement to ignore each other whilst sitting high up in the mountains firing into the "bowl" at all the frontline infantry most likely because they won't change fits to deal with them.

Tell me why snipers are so bad. outside of them "not being men" and "not meeting face to face" i would like to hear other reasons why people hate snipers...

The reason I hate them is they do so little for their team.

Big whoop, you went 32/0 with your Thales in the red line while our team roflstomped yours at the objective and won.

Also any player worth their salt in DUST can get amazing scores like that with just an AR, SCR, CR, or RR.

On a little side note I'd like to state that much of my dislike for snipers comes from those matches where no fewer than half of my team mates are sniping.

A perfect example of how sniping is making the game less fun for everyone since the rest of us are being bored to death/held hostage by our team mates selfish sniping.

If you find yourself in this situation I suggest that you do the following:

Step one:
Find someone on your team who is sniping and has any annoying sniping name (often something like "Headshot Sniper Death1" or "ShotThroughTheEYE", snipers love to show off their "prowess").

Step two:
Stand in front of said sniper. When he/she moves, you move. Just stay in front of them blocking their line of site denying them the KDR padding shots that they crave in their little selfish hearts.

Step three:
When the sniper seems nice and agitated send them an in game mail stating, "According to our records the in match quota for snipers has already been reached. If you would like to expand the quota so that you may also snipe you must pay the 'sniper quota expansion fee' of 1 mil. ISK. Failure to pay this fee will result in a continued denial of your in game sniping."

Step four:
This will of course make the sniper very angry at you so they will probably reply to your message with a lot of swearing and name calling. Respond to this by saying, "Your choice of language is in clear violation of the EULA for this game. In light of your violation the 'sniper quota expansion fee' has doubled to 2 mil isk. Each future infraction will result in another doubling of the fee." Repeat this step until the end of the match and beyond.

Step five:
When you have a down moment from all the moving about and mailing, call in a LAV and try to crush said sniper. Its not part of the ISK extortion scheme (a CCP sanctioned activity BTW) but is certainly is fun.

Finally:
Sip from your overflowing cup o' tears.

Point on this doll to where Thale touched you.

We understand that you don't want to relive that horrible experience. Don't worry, your in a safe place. Mr. Thale can't hurt you here.

LOTS OF SILLY WORDS

After the incident Mr. Kaethis withdrew from his friends and family. He would wash himself frequently, trying to wash the pain away. No amount of soap could wash away the guilt of knowing that he put himself in that situation, he thought it was all his fault. After the weeks of denial and self loathing came the anger. He began to lash out at his fellow mercs, then he put himself in his tormentors shoes. He would become the powerful one, he would molest the innocent just like his abuser did to him. The following statement was made by Mr. Kaethis after his first attempt of smexual transference:

Outwardly he boasted that his inappropriate actions brought him joy. The truth was that his reenactment brought him right back to that dark place which he tried so desperately to forget. It was fresh in his mind again. The cold of the rocks that scratched his skin when he tried to squirm, the howl of the wind that drowned out his cries for help. The foul smell of alcohol and myofibril stimulants on Mr. Thales breath. He could still feel the iron clad grip which he physically could not break free from, he could still feel Mr. Thale inside him.
At this time we would like to address Dr. Atiim who poses a simple yet sensitive question for you:

We understand that you don't want to relive that horrible experience. Don't worry, your in a safe place. Mr. Thale can't hurt you here.