DUST Search - The SCR should overheat if the charge is held too long.

Monkey MAC wrote:

Eldest Dragon wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

What he is trying to stop people holding a charge until they find combat. You'll see people charging and holding the ScR just incase.

Its not meant to be used like that, I would instead say after about 3 secs, fhe gun begins to heat up, such that you get another 7 secs before it over heats. Its much fairer as it doesn't punish marksman, but does punish those who have one held.

If you hold charge you cant sprint, how many ppl do you know that walks more than they run, and how logical is it to walk all the time. As I said before, ( a overheat when firing to much and not fast enough ), is double penalty and too much of a drawback. Now if you are worried about the charge being held, why not just make it so after it is held a certain amount of time its lost, but overheat is an overkill nerf imo.

You could do it that way, if you like.
I see plenty of people running with a charged shot, you don't have to sprint everywhere.

The reason I favour having the shot slowly add heat as it is held, is because of the risk v reward system. At the moment there is no drawback, the last time I used an ScR, you could even cooldown while holding the charge.

When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3. Works every time.

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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 676	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:39:00 - [1] - Quote I would say a base of 5 sec that can be reduced with skills.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2968	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:41:00 - [2] - Quote Why? My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 199	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:41:00 - [3] - Quote Uh no.....if anything it needs a slight ROF nerf And I do mean slight
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 494	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:43:00 - [4] - Quote Yea dude I think the scrambler might need a little tweak, but dont punish players for taking their time, being a marksman and waiting for that shot. A slight RoF limit would be something more reasonable. To be honest dont nerf it as hard as the Tac rifle was nerfed. (If anything can we raise the Tac rifle RoF a bit too while we are at it? )
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 676	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:45:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why? It needs rebalancing its just a suggestion that doesn't nerf it into the ground.
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 435	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:52:00 - [6] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why? It needs rebalancing its just a suggestion that doesn't nerf it into the ground. So then not only can you fire too much and overheat, your also left defenseless for not firing your shot fast enough, srry I cant back this suggestion. Imo this is not a great idea. And atm if scr gets a nerf, you better believe the other ar's need one with it, seriously. When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3. Works every time.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 679	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:55:00 - [7] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why? It needs rebalancing its just a suggestion that doesn't nerf it into the ground. So then not only can you fire too much and overheat, your also left defenseless for not firing your shot fast enough, srry I cant back this suggestion. Imo this is not a great idea. And atm if scr gets a nerf, you better believe the other ar's need one with it, seriously. You do realize that the SCR has double the DPS of the AR
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1202	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:08:00 - [8] - Quote That's fine, I never hold it more than a second or two anyway. That's if I even charge all the way anyway. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1324	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:16:00 - [9] - Quote What he is trying to stop people holding a charge until they find combat. You'll see people charging and holding the ScR just incase. Its not meant to be used like that, I would instead say after about 3 secs, fhe gun begins to heat up, such that you get another 7 secs before it over heats. Its much fairer as it doesn't punish marksman, but does punish those who have one held. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 436	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:21:00 - [10] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why? It needs rebalancing its just a suggestion that doesn't nerf it into the ground. So then not only can you fire too much and overheat, your also left defenseless for not firing your shot fast enough, srry I cant back this suggestion. Imo this is not a great idea. And atm if scr gets a nerf, you better believe the other ar's need one with it, seriously. You do realize that the SCR has double the DPS of the AR The scr also pays for the charge shot bc of the over heat, if you miss you have lost a lot of dps, and an immediate charge following a charge leaves you not many regular shots before overheat. Cr will win every time in cqc if you know what your doing. The rr is just as deadly at range if not more because its better against multi opponents. I do however agree the ar may be the worst atm, and may could even use a very slight dmg buff, ( slight ). When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3. Works every time.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2751	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:23:00 - [11] - Quote That's not why it's OP. Besides which, the new rifles are such a bigger concern when it comes to balance, that this issue can wait. No.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2970	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:24:00 - [12] - Quote The scrambler rifle is fine, at least when compared with the other rifles. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1011	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:24:00 - [13] - Quote No. The gun already distinguishes itself as one of three light weapons that can kill its user. We don't need another reason for us to worry about in the middle of an exchange. I included the MD as one only because, aside from lasers and ScR's, nothing kills its user more often. The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon in the game but fails when you add more enemies against them. The alpha damage is high, yes, but it is semi-auto and in order to get the most dps from it, you need to hit all of your shots. Period. Add the overheat factor into the equation and you have the most realistic example of "risk vs reward" in terms of weaponry, with nova knives at the very top and the PC right behind it. A SLIGHT nerf to RoF is fine with me. More hip fire spread in CQC in fine with me. But this? This is just a stupid and utterly useless suggestion. I do not approve of this thread. Bad idea is bad. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1324	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:25:00 - [14] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: That's not why it's OP. Besides which, the new rifles are such a bigger concern when it comes to balance, that this issue can wait. Are they? Why balance one rifle but not another? Do them all at the same time. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 436	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:25:00 - [15] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: What he is trying to stop people holding a charge until they find combat. You'll see people charging and holding the ScR just incase. Its not meant to be used like that, I would instead say after about 3 secs, fhe gun begins to heat up, such that you get another 7 secs before it over heats. Its much fairer as it doesn't punish marksman, but does punish those who have one held. If you hold charge you cant sprint, how many ppl do you know that walks more than they run, and how logical is it to walk all the time. As I said before, ( a overheat when firing to much and not fast enough ), is double penalty and too much of a drawback. Now if you are worried about the charge being held, why not just make it so after it is held a certain amount of time its lost, but overheat is an overkill nerf imo. When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3. Works every time.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1324	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:27:00 - [16] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: No. The gun already distinguishes itself as one of three light weapons that can kill its user. We don't need another reason for us to worry about in the middle of an exchange. I included the MD as one only because, aside from lasers and ScR's, nothing kills its user more often. The ScR is the best 1v1 weapon in the game but fails when you add more enemies against them. The alpha damage is high, yes, but it is semi-auto and in order to get the most dps from it, you need to hit all of your shots. Period. Add the overheat factor into the equation and you have the most realistic example of "risk vs reward" in terms of weaponry, with nova knives at the very top and the PC right behind it. A SLIGHT nerf to RoF is fine with me. More hip fire spread in CQC in fine with me. But this? This is just a stupid and utterly useless suggestion. I do not approve of this thread. Bad idea is bad. You mean you can't keep track of your heat guage? The MD kills moreboften than the other 2 because you have to consider a blast radius that you can't see. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 683	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:30:00 - [17] - Quote Even if an AR users hits every shot and the SCR uses misses half his shots the SCR still will have a higher DPS and thats just ridiculous.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1324	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:32:00 - [18] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: What he is trying to stop people holding a charge until they find combat. You'll see people charging and holding the ScR just incase. Its not meant to be used like that, I would instead say after about 3 secs, fhe gun begins to heat up, such that you get another 7 secs before it over heats. Its much fairer as it doesn't punish marksman, but does punish those who have one held. If you hold charge you cant sprint, how many ppl do you know that walks more than they run, and how logical is it to walk all the time. As I said before, ( a overheat when firing to much and not fast enough ), is double penalty and too much of a drawback. Now if you are worried about the charge being held, why not just make it so after it is held a certain amount of time its lost, but overheat is an overkill nerf imo. You could do it that way, if you like. I see plenty of people running with a charged shot, you don't have to sprint everywhere. The reason I favour having the shot slowly add heat as it is held, is because of the risk v reward system. At the moment there is no drawback, the last time I used an ScR, you could even cooldown while holding the charge. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 446	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:42:00 - [19] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: What he is trying to stop people holding a charge until they find combat. You'll see people charging and holding the ScR just incase. Its not meant to be used like that, I would instead say after about 3 secs, fhe gun begins to heat up, such that you get another 7 secs before it over heats. Its much fairer as it doesn't punish marksman, but does punish those who have one held. If you hold charge you cant sprint, how many ppl do you know that walks more than they run, and how logical is it to walk all the time. As I said before, ( a overheat when firing to much and not fast enough ), is double penalty and too much of a drawback. Now if you are worried about the charge being held, why not just make it so after it is held a certain amount of time its lost, but overheat is an overkill nerf imo. You could do it that way, if you like. I see plenty of people running with a charged shot, you don't have to sprint everywhere. The reason I favour having the shot slowly add heat as it is held, is because of the risk v reward system. At the moment there is no drawback, the last time I used an ScR, you could even cooldown while holding the charge. That's still two different ways of overheating which would mean way too much overheating going on most likely. The only way your method would be viable, is if it gained overheat while being held but actually releasing the shot didnt add to heat build up, and then imo that would really make it op bc you could just not hold the charge and spam charge shots. I think if this is really a problem the final best answer is a time limit for charge held. When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3. Works every time.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2448	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:46:00 - [20] - Quote In my head it seems like it would overheat more dramatically while the charge is being held than firing weaker charges rapidly. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1425	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:56:00 - [21] - Quote In all honestly putting my love for the gun aside this the most dumbest idea to nerf a SCR for but let's say this happens, then by your logic the charge sniper rifle would also be affected by this mechanic. Now see how dumb this is? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 449	Posted - 2013.12.27 01:58:00 - [22] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: In my head it seems like it would overheat more dramatically while the charge is being held than firing weaker charges rapidly. As I said, gaining over heat while charging and over heat for releasing it, is completely out of the question. But overheat while charging, with no overheat for firing it, is viable. But that means if you charged to full and released very soon after every time, you basically have an unlimited amount of fully charged shots, that would never overheat you. Not to mention that if you didnt hold it long, a fast fired charge would leave even more heat build up for quick spammed shots after the charge, than you can do now. When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3. Works every time.
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 1109	Posted - 2013.12.27 02:13:00 - [23] - Quote What he is trying to say is that he was one shotted by a charged shot and now is calling for a nerf on the forums.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2449	Posted - 2013.12.27 02:14:00 - [24] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: In my head it seems like it would overheat more dramatically while the charge is being held than firing weaker charges rapidly. As I said, gaining over heat while charging and over heat for releasing it, is completely out of the question. But overheat while charging, with no overheat for firing it, is viable. But that means if you charged to full and released very soon after every time, you basically have an unlimited amount of fully charged shots, that would never overheat you. Not to mention that if you didnt hold it long, a fast fired charge would leave even more heat build up for quick spammed shots after the charge, than you can do now. But it would make more sense to me in real world sense. I think the SCR is fine the way it is though. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 58	Posted - 2013.12.27 02:32:00 - [25] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Even if an AR users hits every shot and the SCR uses misses half his shots the SCR still will have a higher DPS and thats just ridiculous. Where are u getting ur numbers bro? Double dps of an ar? Lol Also as stated earlier can't run while Charging, extra heat gain, and have u heard the thiing lately? I will admit sometimes I kill ppl in 1 or 2 shots and I feel sorry for em, but if there's no cover and its a "dps off" closer than 50m the rail,combat,assault usualy win, definitely if I miss that first charge shot (or it dosnt register the damage grrr).
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 689	Posted - 2013.12.27 03:11:00 - [26] - Quote jordy mack wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Even if an AR users hits every shot and the SCR uses misses half his shots the SCR still will have a higher DPS and thats just ridiculous. Where are u getting ur numbers bro? Double dps of an ar? Lol Also as stated earlier can't run while Charging, extra heat gain, and have u heard the thiing lately? I will admit sometimes I kill ppl in 1 or 2 shots and I feel sorry for em, but if there's no cover and its a "dps off" closer than 50m the rail,combat,assault usualy win, definitely if I miss that first charge shot (or it dosnt register the damage grrr). Duvolle AR 37.4 damage x 750 RPM = 467.5 DPS Visiam SCR 79.2 damage x 705.88 RPM = 931 DPS
Namirial Kensai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.12.27 03:25:00 - [27] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: What he is trying to stop people holding a charge until they find combat. You'll see people charging and holding the ScR just incase. Its not meant to be used like that, I would instead say after about 3 secs, fhe gun begins to heat up, such that you get another 7 secs before it over heats. Its much fairer as it doesn't punish marksman, but does punish those who have one held. If you hold charge you cant sprint, how many ppl do you know that walks more than they run, and how logical is it to walk all the time. As I said before, ( a overheat when firing to much and not fast enough ), is double penalty and too much of a drawback. Now if you are worried about the charge being held, why not just make it so after it is held a certain amount of time its lost, but overheat is an overkill nerf imo. You could do it that way, if you like. I see plenty of people running with a charged shot, you don't have to sprint everywhere. The reason I favour having the shot slowly add heat as it is held, is because of the risk v reward system. At the moment there is no drawback, the last time I used an ScR, you could even cooldown while holding the charge. there is no risk vs reward with your ssytem though, in your ssytem only an IDIOT would EVER charge the weapon, as while your charging and NOT doing DPS, your RECEIVING shittons fo damage, meaning with this game's TTK youll be dead before the gun is even 1/3 charged, and assuming by some miracle you DO charge and fire it, you better pray by the Amarrian god that it hits, you you just waited a shitton of time you could have been firing multiple shots and now youll die anyways.
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 59	Posted - 2013.12.27 03:25:00 - [28] - Quote In theory.... in reality I'll overheat before getting off a quater of my clip. Higher apha damage but lower sustainable dps. I'm tempted to do some math on this one day.... maybe...
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 336	Posted - 2013.12.27 06:10:00 - [29] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why? It needs rebalancing its just a suggestion that doesn't nerf it into the ground. So then not only can you fire too much and overheat, your also left defenseless for not firing your shot fast enough, srry I cant back this suggestion. Imo this is not a great idea. And atm if scr gets a nerf, you better believe the other ar's need one with it, seriously. You do realize that the SCR has double the DPS of the AR and much higher cpu/pg along with overheat mechanic so for all intent and purposes it has a 16 round clip so are you saying something with more cpu/pg and less clip should have equal dps "May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1907	Posted - 2013.12.27 07:29:00 - [30] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why? It needs rebalancing its just a suggestion that doesn't nerf it into the ground. So then not only can you fire too much and overheat, your also left defenseless for not firing your shot fast enough, srry I cant back this suggestion. Imo this is not a great idea. And atm if scr gets a nerf, you better believe the other ar's need one with it, seriously. You do realize that the SCR has double the DPS of the AR and much higher cpu/pg along with overheat mechanic so for all intent and purposes it has a 16 round clip so are you saying something with more cpu/pg and less clip should have equal dps ^logic A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars



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