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Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2487	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:41:00 - [1] - Quote Here's why. Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. Yes it has a high alpha damage, but when you come across the certain players that have insane amounts of armor plating, the SCR doesn't feel as "god mode" as some people have come to say. I've overheated countless times trying to get through the armor of super armor tanked players. I'm telling you, there's no worse feeling that letting a charged shot fly, expecting the enemy to have maybe 40 armor left, and them really having 240 armor left. It's the only thing that makes me somewhat panic because it's akin to being caught with your hand in the cookie jar. The fact that the SCR does struggle with armor so poorly is what made me start using the RR. The RR imo is actually more efficient than the SCR, but is held in check by the SCR's high alpha. The SCR (minus a sniper rifle) is the only weapon that really has the ability to hit that hard and catch players off guard. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1685	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:45:00 - [2] - Quote i agree Scrambler is balanced. Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 488	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:54:00 - [3] - Quote I've played this game a while now and where shield tanking used to feel really nice, at some points in the past - even better than armour tanking, right now I feel.... Armour tanking seems to be superior to shield tanking - RR is powerful and Scram Rifle seems very powerful with that charged shot. Running damps also seems to be a bit of a wild card that can come in handy too. I would also say that the scram does not "Absolutely suck against armour" it is just not quite as effective as it is vs shields. (Shields evaporate vs everything anyway) I am a big supporter of making damage type matter way more like it does in EVE.
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2489	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:58:00 - [4] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I've played this game a while now and where shield tanking used to feel really nice, at some points in the past - even better than armour tanking, right now I feel.... Armour tanking seems to be superior to shield tanking - RR is powerful and Scram Rifle seems very powerful with that charged shot. Running damps also seems to be a bit of a wild card that can come in handy too. I would also say that the scram does not "Absolutely suck against armour" it is just not quite as effective as it is vs shields. (Shields evaporate vs everything anyway) I am a big supporter of making damage type matter way more like it does in EVE. Have you gone against a proto heavy with a SCR...it makes me want to cry. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2146	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:58:00 - [5] - Quote We are not balanced, balance implies equality. Nothing is our equal, our weapon was forged by the one true god. Equality is evil! Some of us are born more beautiful, stronger, swifter afoot. Equality is reserved for the uniformed Caldari. An idea for the legions of scum of the Matari. A false idea presented by the Gallente. We believe in inequality, it promotes competition, growth, and progress. Ineqaulity is the FUTURE! ALL HAIL THE EMPRESS! ALL HAIL THE EMPIRE! ALL HAIL AMARR! Salutes o/ "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2490	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:14:00 - [6] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: We are not balanced, balance implies equality. Nothing is our equal, our weapon was forged by the one true god. Equality is evil! Some of us are born more beautiful, stronger, swifter afoot. Equality is reserved for the uniformed Caldari. An idea for the legions of scum of the Matari. A false idea presented by the Gallente. We believe in inequality, it promotes competition, growth, and progress. Ineqaulity is the FUTURE! ALL HAIL THE EMPRESS! ALL HAIL THE EMPIRE! ALL HAIL AMARR! Salutes o/ We need to squad up lol "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1410	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:19:00 - [7] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I've played this game a while now and where shield tanking used to feel really nice, at some points in the past - even better than armour tanking, right now I feel.... Armour tanking seems to be superior to shield tanking - RR is powerful and Scram Rifle seems very powerful with that charged shot. Running damps also seems to be a bit of a wild card that can come in handy too. I would also say that the scram does not "Absolutely suck against armour" it is just not quite as effective as it is vs shields. (Shields evaporate vs everything anyway) I am a big supporter of making damage type matter way more like it does in EVE. Have you gone against a proto heavy with a SCR...it makes me want to cry. :( I can barely kill a standard heavy in cqc he always walks away with 200 armor left. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 313	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:24:00 - [8] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: We are not balanced, balance implies equality. Nothing is our equal, our weapon was forged by the one true god. Equality is evil! Some of us are born more beautiful, stronger, swifter afoot. Equality is reserved for the uniformed Caldari. An idea for the legions of scum of the Matari. A false idea presented by the Gallente. We believe in inequality, it promotes competition, growth, and progress. Ineqaulity is the FUTURE! ALL HAIL THE EMPRESS! ALL HAIL THE EMPIRE! ALL HAIL AMARR! Salutes o/ Amarr indeed must have leading scientists and doctors in the cluster. Otherwise they would all be dead from heart attack by the age of twelve. ZEN 514
Twelve Guage Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 31	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:36:00 - [9] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Damn I really want to ***** about how OP this gun is but here you are and pointing out its weakness damn you aisha damn you.
DildoMcnutz Science For Death 374	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:36:00 - [10] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. I will use the viziam here in my example because it is the only one i really remember the damage for, it does what? 79dmg base per shot? You have said you have prof 5 so this becomes 90, i assume you run atleast 2 complex damage so this then becomes around 108 and with the 20% negative to armour we are back at 87 per round, give or take this is pretty rough as i am a little tired. Now the scrambler has a RoF of 705, i doubt many could actually hit top speed but based on my experience i can hit R1 quicker than my scrambler pistol can fire and my viziam has a fire rate of 500? 550? i really can't remember but for this example ill say between 500-550rpm is what are hitting. With a fire rate of 500-550 your letting out 8-9 rounds in one second, against armour this means we are dealing out between 696-783 damage in one second of fire assuming we just spam it and don't lead with a charged shot. This amount of damage is against the buffer it has a negative against and 8-10 rounds is around half of your limit before you overheat, so no i do not believe that this weapon sucks against armour, it is my experience that this weapon destroys armour and ignores shield

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2405	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:37:00 - [11] - Quote I agree with the OP but who was arguing this again? Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5073	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:38:00 - [12] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I've played this game a while now and where shield tanking used to feel really nice, at some points in the past - even better than armour tanking, right now I feel.... Armour tanking seems to be superior to shield tanking - RR is powerful and Scram Rifle seems very powerful with that charged shot. Running damps also seems to be a bit of a wild card that can come in handy too. I would also say that the scram does not "Absolutely suck against armour" it is just not quite as effective as it is vs shields. (Shields evaporate vs everything anyway) I am a big supporter of making damage type matter way more like it does in EVE. RR is anti armor. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7108	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:38:00 - [13] - Quote When I encounter a good armour tanker with my SCR I know I have a fight on my hands. If you overheat without killing the target (which is entirely possible against a strong armour tank) you are completely screwed. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5073	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:39:00 - [14] - Quote Also, I do not agree that SCR sucks against armor. It's still monsterous, regardless of damage type. With same health, SCR requires at most an extra shot or two against armor. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1126	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:40:00 - [15] - Quote I am OP PROTO SCR PROTO AMARR GOLDEN DONUTS RISE!!!!!! RISEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! G£«ASSAULT AK.0 !!!!!*G£« Check out my Youtube
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2493	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:41:00 - [16] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: When I encounter a good armour tanker with my SCR I know I have a fight on my hands. If you overheat without killing the target (which is entirely possible against a strong armour tank) you are completely screwed. This, so much this. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7109	Posted - 2013.12.26 16:42:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Also, I do not agree that SCR sucks against armor. It's still monsterous, regardless of damage type. With same health, SCR requires at most an extra shot or two against armor. overheats Manically "JUST AN EXTRA SHOT OR TWO!" Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 663	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:22:00 - [18] - Quote With proficiency 3-5 and 2 damage mods you're doing 120 damage to shields and 80 damage to armor and it has the same fire rate as the old DTAC. What that means is its DPS is 1000-1200 depending on shields or armor and for reference the same proficiency and damage mods on an AR is 600 DPS. This thread is just a SCR users attempt to prevent a nerf because it has some drawbacks that are completely insignificant because it drops every dropsuit other that a fully tanked heavy in under a second.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3461	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:29:00 - [19] - Quote Haha haha haha haha, oh **** can't breathe, ha ha haha haha! Wait you're serious? Haha haha haha haha haha! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2499	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:40:00 - [20] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Haha haha haha haha, oh **** can't breathe, ha ha haha haha! Wait you're serious? Haha haha haha haha haha! Take it you've died one too many times to the SCR huh "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3463	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:46:00 - [21] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Haha haha haha haha, oh **** can't breathe, ha ha haha haha! Wait you're serious? Haha haha haha haha haha! Take it you've died one too many times to the SCR huh I'm a Matari scout, if I got pissed off at everything that killed me I'd bust a vein. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1833	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:53:00 - [22] - Quote It is too good at close range. Otherwise it is balanced. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3463	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:57:00 - [23] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: It is too good at close range. Otherwise it is balanced. I find this to be the problem with most long range weapons, well no it's only tje rifles woth that problem. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1835	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:00:00 - [24] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It is too good at close range. Otherwise it is balanced. I find this to be the problem with most long range weapons, well no it's only tje rifles woth that problem. Exactly, they need to find a way to make weapons that are meant for long range to be worst at CQC fighting. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 223	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:05:00 - [25] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Here's why. Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. Yes it has a high alpha damage, but when you come across the certain players that have insane amounts of armor plating, the SCR doesn't feel as "god mode" as some people have come to say. I've overheated countless times trying to get through the armor of super armor tanked players. I'm telling you, there's no worse feeling that letting a charged shot fly, expecting the enemy to have maybe 40 armor left, and them really having 240 armor left. It's the only thing that makes me somewhat panic because it's akin to being caught with your hand in the cookie jar. The fact that the SCR does struggle with armor so poorly is what made me start using the RR. The RR imo is actually more efficient than the SCR, but is held in check by the SCR's high alpha. The SCR (minus a sniper rifle) is the only weapon that really has the ability to hit that hard and catch players off guard. Yes i agree but sometime his RoF is too big and too "Shoot as fast as i push the trigger". The RoF should just be lowered to make it balanced and working as intended. (Lower RoF means harder to use at close range) But like the others rifle (Exept Combat rifle which is TOTALLY overpowered) they're balanced each other but are all too much powerful. Nerf SCR RoF and the accuracy without aiming. Heavily Nerf AR range (But buff the damage) Nerf almost everything on the Combat rifle (I don't see an another way here.) Make the charge up bigger on the rail rifle. (At least 0.5 sec) And you got Balanced Rifles.
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2505	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:42:00 - [26] - Quote Quote: Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. Try telling that to the proto ScR spammers that burst my heavy's 600 armor down in a few shots after they cut through the 550 shields with a single shot. No, I am not CCP Logibro.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 490	Posted - 2013.12.26 19:14:00 - [27] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I've played this game a while now and where shield tanking used to feel really nice, at some points in the past - even better than armour tanking, right now I feel.... Armour tanking seems to be superior to shield tanking - RR is powerful and Scram Rifle seems very powerful with that charged shot. Running damps also seems to be a bit of a wild card that can come in handy too. I would also say that the scram does not "Absolutely suck against armour" it is just not quite as effective as it is vs shields. (Shields evaporate vs everything anyway) I am a big supporter of making damage type matter way more like it does in EVE. Have you gone against a proto heavy with a SCR...it makes me want to cry. As a proto heavy I can say I have watched my 1000 armour disappear almost as quickly as my 600 shields did, not only to scrams but to railrifles and just about anything else. I have to be honest I havent used a scrambler rifle in a while so maybe I should pick it up again. But still I WANT damage type to matter. I would like it to be similar to EVE in that certain weapons are terribly weak vs shields but very powerful against armour and vice-versa. (I'm thinking the extremes of weapons could be 50% dmg vs UN-optimised tank type 150% vs optimised tank type.) Yes the numbers I pulled out of thin air but I want there to really be a difference. Not this paltry 5 to 15% difference we seem to have now which is not so noticeable.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 490	Posted - 2013.12.26 19:15:00 - [28] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Quote: Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. Try telling that to the proto ScR spammers that burst my heavy's 600 armor down in a few shots after they cut through the 550 shields with a single shot. I am glad another heavy here has the same experience I have had.
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 54	Posted - 2013.12.26 19:20:00 - [29] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Quote: Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. Try telling that to the proto ScR spammers that burst my heavy's 600 armor down in a few shots after they cut through the 550 shields with a single shot. You are exaggerating. The only way a ScR is able to do 550 shield damage is with a charged headshot. It then takes them at least(prof. V and some damage mods)7-8 (3-4 if they are headshots) uncharged shots to get through 600 armor. Unless you are wearing an Amarr Assault, you will overheat before you can do a Charged shot + 7-8 uncharged shots. Either you are exaggerating, or all of their shots hit you in the head and they deserved the kill. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 563	Posted - 2013.12.26 19:21:00 - [30] - Quote If I don't get OHKO'ed by a thales... I shouldn't get OHKO'ed by a scrambler rifle. Period. If your one shotting or 2 shotting 75% of the suits in the game there is a massive balance issue in DUST with it. Why? because health points should matter.... Getting OHKO'ed by a sniper headshot is acceptable for most people. But getting OHKO'ed by a semi automatic rifle when they spent months on skills and their suit. is ridiculous.. might as well go play any other shooter where you don't have to grind SP for meaningless additions when you come up against a SCR that one shots or two shots over 1000 damage. IF armor actually mattered on the SCR, it would be more then just a tad less damage... Say your trying to SCR a logi with 500 armor, it should take more then one shot or even 2.. just sayin.



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