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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:22:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Quote:Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. Try telling that to the proto ScR spammers that burst my heavy's 600 armor down in a few shots after they cut through the 550 shields with a single shot. You are exaggerating. The only way a ScR is able to do 550 shield damage is with a charged headshot. It then takes them at least(prof. V and some damage mods)7-8 (3-4 if they are headshots) uncharged shots to get through 600 armor. Unless you are wearing an Amarr Assault, you will overheat before you can do a Charged shot + 7-8 uncharged shots. Either you are exaggerating, or all of their shots hit you in the head and they deserved the kill.
Please bare in mind that when the Tac-Rifle has a high fire rate everyone said that was overpowered, however the scram seems not all that different now.
I swear I have seen people with rapid fire controllers that shoot that thing at crazy speeds.
Not only that, remember the heavy suit has such a large head that EVERYONE tried to get head shots on you. |
Zekain K
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
969
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:26:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:We are not balanced, balance implies equality. Nothing is our equal, our weapon was forged by the one true god.
Equality is evil! Some of us are born more beautiful, stronger, swifter afoot.
Equality is reserved for the uniformed Caldari. An idea for the legions of scum of the Matari. A false idea presented by the Gallente. We believe in inequality, it promotes competition, growth, and progress.
Ineqaulity is the FUTURE!
ALL HAIL THE EMPRESS!
ALL HAIL THE EMPIRE!
ALL HAIL AMARR!
*Salutes*
o/ /pukes down Kira's back.
Sorry, i'm allergic to stupid.
CALDARI not so MASTER RACE
Forum Warrior Level: 10
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
563
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:28:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Martyr Saboteur wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Quote:Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. Try telling that to the proto ScR spammers that burst my heavy's 600 armor down in a few shots after they cut through the 550 shields with a single shot. You are exaggerating. The only way a ScR is able to do 550 shield damage is with a charged headshot. It then takes them at least(prof. V and some damage mods)7-8 (3-4 if they are headshots) uncharged shots to get through 600 armor. Unless you are wearing an Amarr Assault, you will overheat before you can do a Charged shot + 7-8 uncharged shots. Either you are exaggerating, or all of their shots hit you in the head and they deserved the kill. Please bare in mind that when the Tac-Rifle has a high fire rate everyone said that was overpowered, however the scram seems not all that different now. I swear I have seen people with rapid fire controllers that shoot that thing at crazy speeds. Not only that, remember the heavy suit has such a large head that EVERYONE tried to get head shots on you.
Its that a charged shot with a good SCR user does 500 damage+++ regardless of where on the mercenary you hit. And with a charged shot, your holding the trigger and letting aim assist lock on and moving up your joystick slightly and let go of the trigger as you get over the head... your doing 500+++ damage plus headshot.. and its extremely easy.. to the point where a lot of people in my corp refuse to use the weapon... and have known this about the SCR since Aim assist in 1.4.
If you remove the Active Aim assist from the weapon however it is completely balanced IMO. without it its a precision weapon that doesn't require that.
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
666
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:35:00 -
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Just tested the charge shot damage on a proficiency 3 Visiam with 2 complex damage mods in FW, I had 334 shields and 409 armor one charge shot to the chest dropped me to 361 Armor. |
Cyinii Dvah
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
0
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:37:00 -
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Em Ward Amplifiers please. |
CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:39:00 -
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Cyinii Dvah wrote:Em Ward Amplifiers please.
This guy gets my vote! |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5077
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:40:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Also, I do not agree that SCR sucks against armor.
It's still monsterous, regardless of damage type.
With same health, SCR requires at most an extra shot or two against armor. *overheats* *Manically* "JUST AN EXTRA SHOT OR TWO!"
Amarr Assault knows no such words.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Martyr Saboteur
Amarrtyrs
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:16:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Martyr Saboteur wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Quote:Scramblers absolutely suck against armor. Try telling that to the proto ScR spammers that burst my heavy's 600 armor down in a few shots after they cut through the 550 shields with a single shot. You are exaggerating. The only way a ScR is able to do 550 shield damage is with a charged headshot. It then takes them at least(prof. V and some damage mods)7-8 (3-4 if they are headshots) uncharged shots to get through 600 armor. Unless you are wearing an Amarr Assault, you will overheat before you can do a Charged shot + 7-8 uncharged shots. Either you are exaggerating, or all of their shots hit you in the head and they deserved the kill. Please bare in mind that when the Tac-Rifle has a high fire rate everyone said that was overpowered, however the scram seems not all that different now. I swear I have seen people with rapid fire controllers that shoot that thing at crazy speeds. Not only that, remember the heavy suit has such a large head that EVERYONE tried to get head shots on you. Its that a charged shot with a good SCR user does 500 damage+++ regardless of where on the mercenary you hit. And with a charged shot, your holding the trigger and letting aim assist lock on and moving up your joystick slightly and let go of the trigger as you get over the head... your doing 500+++ damage plus headshot.. and its extremely easy.. to the point where a lot of people in my corp refuse to use the weapon... and have known this about the SCR since Aim assist in 1.4. If you remove the Active Aim assist from the weapon however it is completely balanced IMO. with it, it's a precision weapon that doesn't require that.
A Charged Shot does 325% damage at a full charge. The absolute most one can do without hitting someone in the head is:
(With Proficiency V and 5 Complex Damage Mods)
362 Raw Damage
435 Shield Damage
290 Armor Damage
All of those numbers are less than 500. You are throwing out misinformed numbers.
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION
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Lorhak Gannarsein
898
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:24:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:I've played this game a while now and where shield tanking used to feel really nice, at some points in the past - even better than armour tanking, right now I feel....
Armour tanking seems to be superior to shield tanking - RR is powerful and Scram Rifle seems very powerful with that charged shot.
Running damps also seems to be a bit of a wild card that can come in handy too. I would also say that the scram does not "Absolutely suck against armour" it is just not quite as effective as it is vs shields. (Shields evaporate vs everything anyway)
I am a big supporter of making damage type matter way more like it does in EVE. Have you gone against a proto heavy with a SCR...it makes me want to cry.
This forever. I usually fire a charged shot, spam a nade and run away, until one of my CR buddies can ingest him.
PRO tanker and proud.
Lentarr Legionary.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1415
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:33:00 -
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Its seems most haven't heard of the volley shots eh?
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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