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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:47:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:Step down from your pedestal you closed-beta-veteran-proto-scrubs. You make me sick.
Uhm... What? How is this any different from the kill revive mechanic in FW?
So about those vehicle locks...
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
538
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:53:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:dont blame the tools, blame the wielder.
NO, you got enough likes 
Assassination is my thing.
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
390
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:56:00 -
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You still died just as fast with 80% as you do with 30% of your armor up if your armor is low to begin with.Let's get rid of needles all together.
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2614
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:04:00 -
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LOL. The way my logi is setup you can have one or two things:
1. A STD Nanite Injector with a Core FOCUSED Repair Tool.
2. You can have an ADV Nanite Injector with a Flux Repair Tool.
Now ask yourself this. Which one would you rather have?
We finally deployed in the MinFW Match!
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
1698
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:10:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:You still died just as fast with 80% as you do with 30% of your armor up if your armor is low to begin with.Let's get rid of needles all together.
Perhaps if TTK was longer things like repping, reviving, and strafing would actually matter.
So about those vehicle locks...
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taxi bastard
Minor Trueblood
83
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:21:00 -
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personally i like people saving me isk.  don't flame me for it.
my suits all have reps on so even if its a shite needle if i am picked up safely, i am happy with it.
if i am not carrying a rep tool - ill run an advanced needle. if i am running a rep tool ill admit to using shite needles. from a medics point of view there is nothing more annoying than going to help people and them finishing themselves off just before you get there. |
Cenex Langly
0uter.Heaven
518
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:24:00 -
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Dengru wrote:why give noobs an infinite supply of this useless garbage? Whenever someone revives me with one, and im not gunned down in that same instant, I kill that person. I am so tired of being revived by these damn things. A lot of this is the result of no Accept Revival feature, but still MLT and STD injectors should be removed from game
For the same reason militia forge guns are in the game. And possibly the same reason why militia AR's are in the game. And, if I imagine along the same lines as the developers of CCP, I would say they are in the game for, and get this, the same reason militia -anything- is in the game.
1) to **** you off! I'll revive you as many times as I can just for the points and just to **** you off.
2) because people want to try new things without having to skill into them...
3) lol
4) you mad yet?
5) I hope you read up to here! Time, Wasted!
Newb
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Cenex Langly
0uter.Heaven
518
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:28:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:You still died just as fast with 80% as you do with 30% of your armor up if your armor is low to begin with.Let's get rid of needles all together. Perhaps if TTK was longer things like repping, reviving, and strafing would actually matter.
People just need to be smart about using needles. If someone goes down, that idiot better not immediately respawn when 3 blues are around him. The blues need to just clear the area -first- and then do the revive. You have 20 seconds for a reason...
Newb
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Cenex Langly
0uter.Heaven
518
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:LOL. The way my logi is setup you can have one or two things: 1. A STD Nanite Injector with a Core FOCUSED Repair Tool. 2. You can have an ADV Nanite Injector with a Flux Repair Tool. Now ask yourself this. Which one would you rather have?
Option 3. A better suit. =]
Newb
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
322
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:32:00 -
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To troll people like you.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
402
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:49:00 -
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If KDR doesnt matter, then there is no reason NOT to save a death on reviving. You save a clone, so why not save the death in the stats too?
Other games have had mechanics to deal with this.
STATLINE:
Kills/Downs/Assists/Deaths
Dont award a kill until a clone is used and correspond it to a death (all downed players will be "killed" at match end).
Since that is probably too complex for a realistic fix, just let their be more kills than deaths in a game similar to how a lot of other FPS (BF3 etc) do it.
There is no argument against this. If you want to say folks shouldnt care about their kdr, then cool, you shouldnt care either so who cares if they save a death? Meanwhile, since most folks DO care, even if its a little bit, it would provide an incentive to revive and be revived.
If revives saved a death for a players stats, I would totally run injectors. Since they dont, I dont. I care about YOUR kdr. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
567
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:55:00 -
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It's a item that they hought was cool but had no long term plan for...like the rest of the game.
Also 100% armor revive sticks for the shield tanking race...LOL |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
328
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Posted - 2013.12.26 21:00:00 -
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oh no my k/d
but seriously need an accept revive system
"May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
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Dreshator
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.12.26 21:12:00 -
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However, many noobs often get killed trying to revive with the militia 
maybe it's a way to be part of the battle, even if you are not yet at advanced levels. Learn to thank everyone who helps even if it gives you 100% armor |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1847
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Posted - 2013.12.26 21:59:00 -
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Yeah defo +1
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
70
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:00:00 -
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I guess you shouldn't of died in the first place
if I could i'd pick you up with a 5% needle scrub
imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
881
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:20:00 -
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What is your problem here?
Is it that your being revived in in the middle of a fight? I get that. I don't see it as a big deal since all it means is that you get killed again which doesn't actually do anything negative for you, but I get it. Totally need to have a decline heally-stick option.
If your problem is that your being revived with that little bit of armor I see this complaint as pretty stupid. If he hadn't have picked you up, you would have definitely been out an entire fitting. At least he gave you a chance. I have a repair module on all my suits, which are mostly logi-suits, anyway; can't always expect a remote repper to be nearby.
I think your complaint is the latter of the two or this would be a "Noobs revive me in the middle of battle" thread.
Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised.
Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
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Dengru
Fatal Absolution
246
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Posted - 2013.12.26 23:04:00 -
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I haven't mentioned kdr once
Garbage-tier logis always so sensitive about any hint of valuing kdr
It is useless needle. It is an objectively useless thing
Jimmy: Hey brah I saved ur suit
Johnny: but i wanted to change; oh no I'm dead, oh hey you're dead; drat, we've been overrun, everything I did was summarily undone by you
Jimmy: but I selected MEDIC CLASS 60WP MEDIC
Is that necessary for jimmy to have this ability? It turns him to a more detrimental, scary kinda noob. No good comes from giving noobs this ability without instruction. Make jimmy spend so and isk to do it. Don't make him think all there is to it, selecting MEDIC CLASS. If you're gonna have this terrible item, don't specifically give them to noobs.
(>^_^)><(^.^<)
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Redline Defense Force
Seekers of the Unseen
123
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Posted - 2013.12.27 08:17:00 -
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Dengru wrote:why give noobs an infinite supply of this useless garbage? Whenever someone revives me with one, and im not gunned down in that same instant, I kill that person. I am so tired of being revived by these damn things. A lot of this is the result of no Accept Revival feature, but still MLT and STD injectors should be removed from game
It's not the nanites that are the problem, its the CIRCUMSTANCES of the revive. The reviver should no better than to revive someone in the middle of a firefight. Protip; STOP REVIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIREFIGHT. Here's another; WAIT UNTIL AREA IS CLEAR BEFORE REVIVING SOMEONE.-That is all.
'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT
Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee
Remaining invisible is my thing
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
891
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Posted - 2013.12.27 10:25:00 -
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Dengru wrote:I haven't mentioned kdr once
Garbage-tier logis always so sensitive about any hint of valuing kdr
It is useless needle. It is an objectively useless thing
Jimmy: Hey brah I saved ur suit
Johnny: but i wanted to change; oh no I'm dead, oh hey you're dead; drat, we've been overrun, everything I did was summarily undone by you
Jimmy: but I selected MEDIC CLASS 60WP MEDIC
Is that necessary for jimmy to have this ability? It turns him to a more detrimental, scary kinda noob. No good comes from giving noobs this ability without instruction. Make jimmy spend sp and isk to do it. Don't make him think all there is to it, selecting MEDIC CLASS. If you're gonna have this terrible item, don't specifically give them to noobs.
People are probably making the assumption this is about KDR since the first post gives absolutely no reasoning.
No, it is not an objectively useless thing. I'd be happy to get revived with that measly 30(?)% armor. If it prevented your armor from being repaired by modules or remote reppers, then I would agree it is useless, but that isn't the case. It's use is to keep someone from having to bring in another clone. It performs this role adequately when used correctly.
In that example of yours, nothing johnny did was undone by Jimmy. Whatever Johnny did was undone by himself when he died in the first place. Jimmy not reviving Johnny would not have changed the outcome; whatever was done was done.
I've been in that situation where i'm going to change loadouts and near the end of my time I am randomly revived. I just figure it's an extra 60,000ISK in the bank for the price of running around with a wasted equipment slot (used up D-uplinks).
And that last bit. THIS seems to be your point. You should've just said from the beginning that you think nooblets shouldn't be given militia needles. Your OP doesn't even offer an explanation. No, it's just "they need to go."
Now that that is out of the way. I could see the removal of the militia injector. STD can't go; gives you something to use when first speccing into nanocircuitry. I guarantee that if they scaled injector rewards there'd be much less of the STD and Militia.
To solve the problems (I think) you say you're having, we need that decline heal option. Actually, a quick-bleed out option would be nice too. Like that screen that pops up when you die could have an option (triangle doesn't do anything...I think) for you to automatically bleed out. Going into the menus takes too long.
Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised.
Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
498
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Posted - 2013.12.27 10:42:00 -
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Dengru wrote:why give noobs an infinite supply of this useless garbage? Whenever someone revives me with one, and im not gunned down in that same instant, I kill that person. I am so tired of being revived by these damn things. A lot of this is the result of no Accept Revival feature, but still MLT and STD injectors should be removed from game
The militia nanite injectors are there so new guys can revive you.
YOU should not be so **** to be killed in the first place! |
Valmorgan Aubaris
Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services
70
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Posted - 2013.12.27 11:06:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:...hopefully some less experienced logi's will catch on to proper stabbing edicate.
*Etiquette > your grammar.
EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
Let's gank Scotty.
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
1746
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Posted - 2013.12.27 11:43:00 -
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28 million sp
One of the best logistics players in the game
Have never used anything but militia or std injectors
:P
You know, sometimes even after I scan, random people spawn out of nowhere and kill the person I just revived. There's NOTHING we can do about it. I'd say punish the player that does it in the middle of a firefight, or if they do it more than once.
Oh, and in case you didn't know, every time they do it they give you another 20 seconds to be revived. So in case your kdr is REALLY that important, you at least have a chance to save isk, oh, and a CLONE.
I do agree that we need to have an option to deny being picked up though...sometimes you just want to die.
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Repter Casanova
8thDivision
4
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Posted - 2013.12.27 11:51:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Damn that noob for even trying to help you, he deserved his death.
Go out and Proto stomp every single noob you meet and maybe we can drive them away from this game.
NERF NOOBS!!
Remember my friend once you were on of those "noobs" being stomped and thats one of the big issues with dust people like you who stomp you drive new players away eventfully leading to a game with nothing but proto gerar, but the thing is i have noticed a catch up on corps and players like you, because more and more people are catching up to your level and gear and eventually you original proto stompers will have to up your game because it aint gonna be an easy fight for you anymore.
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SteelheadPep
SAM-MIK
18
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Posted - 2013.12.27 18:15:00 -
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With the current TTK and weapons that can drop you from across the map as good as a sniper it is hard to be 100 percent sure when you revive someone.As a 23 mil SP support logi I use proto pens and reppers and try to put myself between a possible threat and the merc. It works most of the time,some people do just farm points but I have been blasted by team and sqaud mates when one of the few times it does go bad. Many do not know how expensive it is to run a logi and donot take into account that we put the team welfare ahead of our own interests.To have a heavy scream why did you stop repping me, if they looked they would have known that you went down first trying to help them.New players do not have much resources and they use what they have (MLT pens) if more peolpe took an interest and helped new players rather than just complaining then all of us would be better off. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
403
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Posted - 2013.12.27 19:45:00 -
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There is still no logical reason to NOT have it save a death.
If you do care about K/D, saving a death would make stupid revives less annoyhing and make reviving squadmates/getting revived even more incentivized. You can argue k/d is stupid, thats fine, but it doesnt make the above statement less true for a good amount of players who DO care about k/d.
Secondly, if you DONT care about k/d... why do you care if a death is added or not?
There is zero logic for the current set up. Most games that have reviving and track deaths in a game do not count deaths on players who have been revived. There is no reason for DUST to be any different. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
3309
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:49:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Damn that noob for even trying to help you, he deserved his death.
Go out and Proto stomp every single noob you meet and maybe we can drive them away from this game.
NERF NOOBS!!
Anyone like Dengru who uses Shotguns with a low amount of HP on his suit deserves to Protostomp anyone he pleases. It's not like the noobs don't cut him down almost immediately at every range anyway.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
3309
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:51:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Dengru wrote:why give noobs an infinite supply of this useless garbage? Whenever someone revives me with one, and im not gunned down in that same instant, I kill that person. I am so tired of being revived by these damn things. A lot of this is the result of no Accept Revival feature, but still MLT and STD injectors should be removed from game The militia nanite injectors are there so new guys can revive you. YOU should not be so **** to be killed in the first place!
This is the second stupidest thing I've ever read about this game.
At least replace it with a rep tool or something.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
894
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Posted - 2013.12.27 22:26:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Dengru wrote:why give noobs an infinite supply of this useless garbage? Whenever someone revives me with one, and im not gunned down in that same instant, I kill that person. I am so tired of being revived by these damn things. A lot of this is the result of no Accept Revival feature, but still MLT and STD injectors should be removed from game The militia nanite injectors are there so new guys can revive you. YOU should not be so **** to be killed in the first place! This is the second stupidest thing I've ever read about this game. At least replace it with a rep tool or something.
This i'd like better. Keep the militia injector as a buyable item so that those that have it ACTUALLY intend to use it (should lead to those that have it being better than the average noob about it), but make the medic fit have the repper.
This is EXACTLY what I do with my starter medic fits on every alt anyway. It's so much easier to get WP from healing than reviving, probably because there seems to be a decline of those that die without being bled out.
Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised.
Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
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Mortedeamor
1139
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Posted - 2013.12.27 22:30:00 -
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lols wyka injectors are 7 k..if u have them and can fit them you should use them...every logi suit i run that utilizes a injector has proto on it
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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