DUST Search - Since you nerfed my Lai Dai packed AV grenades so far into the ground

Atiim wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks.

"We need you to help push in the city"
"really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?"

6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE.

so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you.

So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years.

That's called being situational. Let's clarify.

Tanks are a NICHE. And just like other NICHES they need to perform well in their respective NICHE, while performing terribly outside of their NICHE.

Tanks are good in mid range combat and open fields, but doesn't do well in CQC areas such as a city due to AV grenades. (At least that's how they were before the tank buff. Now the only thing a tank isn't good for is hacking. lol nvm you can just butcher the enemy clone reserves anyway.)

30m? Try 10m. If you want to throw from 30m then you have to adjust your arc significantly, giving the pilot tons of time to react, as you won't be able to throw them in rapid succession.

Most Damaging weapon? Not even close. And this would require the tank to be within 10-15m of you, be piloted by a bad driver, and/or not be using an active scanner.

Behind Cover? Here's the thing. EVERY AV WEAPON BESIDES SWARM LAUNCHERS AND BREACH FORGE GUNS CAN BE USED BEHIND COVER. (To an extent).

You now have the ability to stomp infantry with theoretical impunity. Your point?

If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.

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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2584	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:55:00 - [31] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks. "We need you to help push in the city" "really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?" 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE. so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you. So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years. That's called being situational. Let's clarify. Tanks are a NICHE. And just like other NICHES they need to perform well in their respective NICHE, while performing terribly outside of their NICHE. Tanks are good in mid range combat and open fields, but doesn't do well in CQC areas such as a city due to AV grenades. (At least that's how they were before the tank buff. Now the only thing a tank isn't good for is hacking. lol nvm you can just butcher the enemy clone reserves anyway.) 30m? Try 10m. If you want to throw from 30m then you have to adjust your arc significantly, giving the pilot tons of time to react, as you won't be able to throw them in rapid succession. Most Damaging weapon? Not even close. And this would require the tank to be within 10-15m of you, be piloted by a bad driver, and/or not be using an active scanner. Behind Cover? Here's the thing. EVERY AV WEAPON BESIDES SWARM LAUNCHERS AND BREACH FORGE GUNS CAN BE USED BEHIND COVER. (To an extent). You now have the ability to stomp infantry with theoretical impunity. Your point? We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 659	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:56:00 - [32] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: Well personally, I do think it should be hard for AV's to take out tanks. But not LAV's. Those are SUPPOSED to be glass cannons. Why would it take 3 of the bloody things, which have drawbacks in nearly every way, just to kill them? And what do you do when another LAV comes around and you haven't resupplied? Well I'm not speccing grenades Where does it say that? HAV: Heavy Attack Vehicle (tank) LAV: Light Attack Vehicle (jeep) its not too hard to figure out.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3156	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:56:00 - [33] - Quote Unerfed av nades would be really balanced actually, cause tanks accelerate fast enough now to get out of trouble before the third nade hits (making skill and quick reactions matter more) Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2586	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:08:00 - [34] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Just posting to say AV nades were OP as ** and people are like "NOW I CAN'T THREE SHOT LAVS WITH SUPPORT AV", no , you know why nobody uses LAVs properly? Like using as support and such? Two reasons, ** like AV nades two shotting them with no issue and snipers because some idiot didn't think about adding a shield to the turret itself. Seriously, this is not just Tanks v AV, your thoughts need to encompass every vehicle currently in game along with the new possible ones But on topic, sure you can blow up Installations, it'd make things easier for me :) It's not just Tanks v AV, but considering how the majority of tanks are used against infantry instead of vehicles, while also having the ability to butcher infantry with ease, Tanks v AV is practically all that matters now. Tank v Tank is about as balanced as it gets atm. (Except those Railguns. They need some serious tone-downs) Remove the Large Blaster Turret and you can go on about your "Tank v Tank" balance fantasy as much as you want. Funny. My LLAV fit could easily survive 2 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades. I used my LLAV as support with things such as repping the team, repping friendly vehicles, scanning, and even had a Cycled Missile Launcher for my gunner to enjoy. AV grenades weren't something I ever had to fear unless I was going on a murder taxi spreee. I don't care if it is support or not. My Tier IV, Meta level 9 weapon should be able to at least three shot a Tier I Meta Level 0 MLT Item. That's called logic. OFCR>PRO>ADV>STDGëÑMLT We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:21:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks. "We need you to help push in the city" "really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?" 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE. so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you. So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years. That's called being situational. Let's clarify. Tanks are a NICHE. And just like other NICHES they need to perform well in their respective NICHE, while performing terribly outside of their NICHE. Tanks are good in mid range combat and open fields, but doesn't do well in CQC areas such as a city due to AV grenades. (At least that's how they were before the tank buff. Now the only thing a tank isn't good for is hacking. lol nvm you can just butcher the enemy clone reserves anyway.) 30m? Try 10m. If you want to throw from 30m then you have to adjust your arc significantly, giving the pilot tons of time to react, as you won't be able to throw them in rapid succession. Most Damaging weapon? Not even close. And this would require the tank to be within 10-15m of you, be piloted by a bad driver, and/or not be using an active scanner. Behind Cover? Here's the thing. EVERY AV WEAPON BESIDES SWARM LAUNCHERS AND BREACH FORGE GUNS CAN BE USED BEHIND COVER. (To an extent). You now have the ability to stomp infantry with theoretical impunity. Your point? Someone never even used a tank last build. "Situational", Yeah, that was a thing, the situation was "holy hairy balls of thor, I can see further than 30 meters with my railgun!" Otherwise it was "Well, I'm in a good position, but I can't see ** because nothing renders pas-- OH CHRIST, SWAR-dead. F this. I'll go play a game that actually works." and I was unaware that the angle of your throw suddenly made the time between throws take longer, oh wait, it doesn't it just makes them take longer to get there, they'll all still hit since the tank couldn't accelerate away fast enough from the first impact, it does not effect the interval of damage, just the time before the first impact occurs. and you mean... none of the av weapons? since there are 3(swarms, forges, AV nades)? oh right, remotes but at least those you could pretend required some forethought beyond" oh look, tank. SPAMSPAMSPAMSPA-dead tank". So, your point is that you were personally worth less than a bucket of flaming pig** with them. And that somehow means that AV wasn't OP for 6 months while tanks got nerfed deeper and deeper into the floorboards. Well, I wasn't that good with a tac rifle, so they should be buffed back up to gamebreaker levels then, right? If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.


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