DUST Search - Since you nerfed my Lai Dai packed AV grenades so far into the ground

stlcarlos989 wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks.

"We need you to help push in the city"
"really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?"

6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE.

so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you.

So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years.

So if CCP introduced a dropsuit that comes with a weapon that at militia and standard levels destroys every type of infantry and vehicles with ease and requires 3 prototype players specifically skilled to just take out that dropsuit and by skilling into this dropsuit's counter they then are almost useless against other infantry, making the best counter the same suit. Yup that sounds like balance Roll

Oh and also its only twice as expensive as full proto equipment logis suits which can cost up to 300k

If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.

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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 633	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:04:00 - [1] - Quote that it takes 3 to destroy a militia LAV can we at least make them also work on turret installations?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2560	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:08:00 - [2] - Quote AV grenades weren't even OP because you had to get uber close to the tank for them to actually work. And if you got hit with an AV grenade then you clearly weren't paying attention to your surroundings and deserved to die. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2933	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:11:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: AV grenades weren't even OP because you had to get uber close to the tank for them to actually work. And if you got hit with an AV grenade then you clearly weren't paying attention to your surroundings and deserved to die. Well, I think they were abit too much, but I think the nerf went too far. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2562	Posted - 2013.12.25 20:22:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Atiim wrote: AV grenades weren't even OP because you had to get uber close to the tank for them to actually work. And if you got hit with an AV grenade then you clearly weren't paying attention to your surroundings and deserved to die. Well, I think they were abit too much, but I think the nerf went too far. Well, I guess they may have needed a slight adjustment. But they still went way too far. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 637	Posted - 2013.12.25 20:26:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Atiim wrote: AV grenades weren't even OP because you had to get uber close to the tank for them to actually work. And if you got hit with an AV grenade then you clearly weren't paying attention to your surroundings and deserved to die. Well, I think they were abit too much, but I think the nerf went too far. They were fine because they had the highest CPU/PG cost of any grenade and also reduced effectiveness as any infantry soldier considering how devastating Core locus grenades are and how useful fluxes are. A properly fit tank still took over 5 to destroy which means you had to get behind the tank and drop a nanohive which has a very distinctive activation sound which proper tankers actually listened for.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1604	Posted - 2013.12.25 21:07:00 - [6] - Quote I've been swapping out my locus grenades for AV on many fits and damn I was surprised by how many grenades I need to kill LAV's Amarr! Try EVE Online Selling Templar BPO
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 62	Posted - 2013.12.25 21:12:00 - [7] - Quote been crushing tanks in a g-l scout with ex11 packed great for stealing vehicle kills also I never used AV grenades past the standard before they were rebalanced so I guess it doesnt bother me at all imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3111	Posted - 2013.12.25 22:25:00 - [8] - Quote With the acceleration that tanks now have I think AV nades should be buffed back to where they were in 1.6 Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 166	Posted - 2013.12.25 22:34:00 - [9] - Quote Nothing like needing 3 proto packed AV nades to blow up a militia LAV CCP is a joke
dogmanpig black market bank 88	Posted - 2013.12.25 23:33:00 - [10] - Quote nothing like EZ mode taking away crying babies to bring joy to me. feed me your tears! You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 8 1/10 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2572	Posted - 2013.12.25 23:56:00 - [11] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: nothing like EZ mode taking away crying babies to bring joy to me. feed me your tears! Talks about ez-mode. Drives tanks I won't feed you, as obesity is not something I condone, but I will sip on your tears pre-1/7, as well as get my cup ready for when they nerf tanks. cI_I We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1220	Posted - 2013.12.25 23:58:00 - [12] - Quote Three LaiDais along with five Boundless REs is more than enough to take out any vehicle.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1036	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:05:00 - [13] - Quote I am going to pad my kd while tanks are op. I will eat sleep n poop in my tank. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:28:00 - [14] - Quote yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks. "We need you to help push in the city" "really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?" 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE. so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you. So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 651	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:40:00 - [15] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks. "We need you to help push in the city" "really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?" 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE. so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you. So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years. So if CCP introduced a dropsuit that comes with a weapon that at militia and standard levels destroys every type of infantry and vehicles with ease and requires 3 prototype players specifically skilled to just take out that dropsuit and by skilling into this dropsuit's counter they then are almost useless against other infantry, making the best counter the same suit. Yup that sounds like balance Oh and also its only twice as expensive as full proto equipment logis suits which can cost up to 300k
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:56:00 - [16] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks. "We need you to help push in the city" "really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?" 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE. so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you. So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years. So if CCP introduced a dropsuit that comes with a weapon that at militia and standard levels destroys every type of infantry and vehicles with ease and requires 3 prototype players specifically skilled to just take out that dropsuit and by skilling into this dropsuit's counter they then are almost useless against other infantry, making the best counter the same suit. Yup that sounds like balance Oh and also its only twice as expensive as full proto equipment logis suits which can cost up to 300k yup. at least it's only a combined 6 million SP to kill a single player's 8. Act high and mighty all you want, but you were abusing the balls out of broken weaponry. You'll probably only have to deal with a single patch of not completely killing every single tank you see in 5 seconds or less. Know why? The ARtards are crying, and CCP listens to them above any other portion of their playerbase. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 652	Posted - 2013.12.26 01:54:00 - [17] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Know why? The ARtards are crying, and CCP listens to them above any other portion of their playerbase. That explains why tanks are got a buff and price reduction while forge guns, swarm launchers, and AV grenades all got nerfed Honestly are all the tankers on the forums this oblivious
Ryme Intrinseca 510	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:04:00 - [18] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it's totally unfair that 5 people using teamwork could take out one Leeroy Jenkins
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:21:00 - [19] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it's totally unfair that 5 people using teamwork could take out one Leeroy Jenkins Yup, especially when I was in squad, and on orders to suppress the guys in the city with a tank. Such leeroy jenkins-ing, right? yeah, tanks got a buff, and we only had to have a massive fit over being nerfed for 6 straight months. The ARs have yet to get a major nerf, unless it's totally and completely broken(tac rifle) and even then, were you even around for the massive ****storm that happened when the "pro" players lost their crutch? Tanks had to be on the short end of the stick for half a year. You haven't even been on the short end for 3 weeks yet. So, cram it. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 655	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:24:00 - [20] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it's totally unfair that 5 people using teamwork could take out one Leeroy Jenkins Yup, especially when I was in squad, and on orders to suppress the guys in the city with a tank. Such leeroy jenkins-ing, right? yeah, tanks got a buff, and we only had to have a massive fit over being nerfed for 6 straight months. The ARs have yet to get a major nerf, unless it's totally and completely broken(tac rifle) and even then, were you even around for the massive ****storm that happened when the "pro" players lost their crutch? Tanks had to be on the short end of the stick for half a year. You haven't even been on the short end for 3 weeks yet. So, cram it. You do realize that the SCR, CR, and RR are all way better than the AR and also the HMG got a serious Buff. Again how oblivious are you?

Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2472	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:30:00 - [21] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: yeah, tanks got a buff, and we only had to have a massive fit over being nerfed for 6 straight months. The ARs have yet to get a major nerf, unless it's totally and completely broken(tac rifle) and even then, were you even around for the massive ****storm that happened when the "pro" players lost their crutch? You do realize that the SCR, CR, and RR are all way better than the AR and also the HMG got a serious Buff. Again how oblivious are you? Oh wait you're inside of a tank all game and you're crying about about AR's you not oblivious you're just mentally challenged. I tried to use a less politically correct term the the censors wouldn't allow it. You do know the AR is on par with the weapons right? Just not as much range (I'm guessing you haven't used the AR since 1.6)
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 655	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:35:00 - [22] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: yeah, tanks got a buff, and we only had to have a massive fit over being nerfed for 6 straight months. The ARs have yet to get a major nerf, unless it's totally and completely broken(tac rifle) and even then, were you even around for the massive ****storm that happened when the "pro" players lost their crutch? You do realize that the SCR, CR, and RR are all way better than the AR and also the HMG got a serious Buff. Again how oblivious are you? Oh wait you're inside of a tank all game and you're crying about about AR's you not oblivious you're just mentally challenged. I tried to use a less politically correct term the the censors wouldn't allow it. You do know the AR is on par with the weapons right? Just not as much range (I'm guessing you haven't used the AR since 1.6) I have Proficiency 5 in AR and have used it since the Creodron Breach reigned supreme, I have no proficiency in the SCR, RR, or CR and they all kill faster than my duvolle.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:44:00 - [23] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it's totally unfair that 5 people using teamwork could take out one Leeroy Jenkins Yup, especially when I was in squad, and on orders to suppress the guys in the city with a tank. Such leeroy jenkins-ing, right? yeah, tanks got a buff, and we only had to have a massive fit over being nerfed for 6 straight months. The ARs have yet to get a major nerf, unless it's totally and completely broken(tac rifle) and even then, were you even around for the massive ****storm that happened when the "pro" players lost their crutch? Tanks had to be on the short end of the stick for half a year. You haven't even been on the short end for 3 weeks yet. So, cram it. You do realize that the SCR, CR, and RR are all way better than the AR and also the HMG got a serious Buff. Again how oblivious are you? Not so much as you. You do realize that they're made to be used differently, don't you? Or are you trying to be rambo and ignoring cover? How strange that the people that get killed by those aren't whining like little girls... Oh right, it's because the two new guns are new so they're expected to be OP, the SCR has always had the highest alpha strike, and the HMG was a joke for the last few months and is now performing as expected. But people got used to tanks being made of cheap tissue paper, so now that they're not, the AV players are whining. I come from well back, closed beta. You know that AV used to actually be job? Not just a "switch, kill tank before you have to reload, switch back to my proto slayer suit" thing, but an honest to goodness role for someone to do for the whole match, to memorize the maps, the strategies, the fitting grade by health of vehicle. To organize squads with, logi, slayer, heavy/slayer, AV guy. Now that AV is a role again, you guys don't know how to adapt since all the old AVers stopped playing or changed their role. Tankers? We got better, we had to. Now you're dealing with tankers who could survive paper tanks(suicide orders aside) fighting against weaker AV with stronger tanks. Or jackasses who abuse the FOTM spamming the crap out of MLT tanks(which, even real tankers are agreeing are far to strong for no investment) I wonder which section of this you're going to respond to this time. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 656	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:04:00 - [24] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Not so much as you. You do realize that they're made to be used differently, don't you? Or are you trying to be rambo and ignoring cover? How strange that the people that get killed by those aren't whining like little girls... The RR is meant to be long range yet its still better in CQC than the AR, the CR is meant to be CQC bast but has better range then the AR, the SCR with proficiency 5 and 3 complex damage mods is does just under 1300 DPS the same setup with the AR is 650 DPS and the SCR also has more range the AR Heathen Bastard wrote: Oh right, it's because the two new guns are new so they're expected to be OP, the SCR has always had the highest alpha strike, and the HMG was a joke for the last few months and is now performing as expected. The HMG buff was good and necessary. Heathen Bastard wrote: But people got used to tanks being made of cheap tissue paper, so now that they're not, the AV players are whining. I come from well back, closed beta. You know that AV used to actually be job? Not just a "switch, kill tank before you have to reload, switch back to my proto slayer suit" thing, but an honest to goodness role for someone to do for the whole match, to memorize the maps, the strategies, the fitting grade by health of vehicle. To organize squads with, logi, slayer, heavy/slayer, AV guy. Now that AV is a role again, you guys don't know how to adapt since all the old AVers stopped playing or changed their role. Tankers? We got better, we had to. Now you're dealing with tankers who could survive paper tanks(suicide orders aside) fighting against weaker AV with stronger tanks. During E3 build of closed beta when we had Sagaris and Suryas I was full time AV proto swarms and proto SMG and I finished the build #1 on the leaderboards in Warpoints because I was a damn good AV player, hacked objectives, and destroyed with the SMG. Or jackasses who abuse the FOTM spamming the crap out of MLT tanks(which, even real tankers are agreeing are far to strong for no investment) I wonder which section of this you're going to respond to this time.[/quote] All of them.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:07:00 - [25] - Quote Nice of you to do so. And if you played E3 build, then you saw tanks in true and terrible form(Back when proto tanks were a thing.) You should realize then, that it could be significantly worse than it is now. Be happy that they didn't bring that back. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 64	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:14:00 - [26] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: I am going to pad my kd while tanks are op. I will eat sleep n poop in my tank. ^^^ lol imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
Jason Pearson 3651	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:16:00 - [27] - Quote Just posting to say AV nades were OP as ** and people are like "NOW I CAN'T THREE SHOT LAVS WITH SUPPORT AV", no , you know why nobody uses LAVs properly? Like using as support and such? Two reasons, ** like AV nades two shotting them with no issue and snipers because some idiot didn't think about adding a shield to the turret itself. Seriously, this is not just Tanks v AV, your thoughts need to encompass every vehicle currently in game along with the new possible ones But on topic, sure you can blow up Installations, it'd make things easier for me :) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Zaria for Miss Universe 2014
Ryme Intrinseca 515	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:23:00 - [28] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it's totally unfair that 5 people using teamwork could take out one Leeroy Jenkins Yup, especially when I was in squad, and on orders to suppress the guys in the city with a tank. Such leeroy jenkins-ing, right? yeah, tanks got a buff, and we only had to have a massive fit over being nerfed for 6 straight months. The ARs have yet to get a major nerf, unless it's totally and completely broken(tac rifle) and even then, were you even around for the massive ****storm that happened when the "pro" players lost their crutch? Tanks had to be on the short end of the stick for half a year. You haven't even been on the short end for 3 weeks yet. So, cram it. If you've put your tank within 30 metres of five hostiles you're Leeroy Jenkins. It may be that you were ordered to go Leeroy Jenkins, but that doesn't mean you weren't going Leeroy Jenkins. It just means the FC/squad leader shares some or all of the blame. Yes I was here for the Tac AR nerf. Not sure what the relevance of this is? Are you saying that 1.7 tanks are as broken as Tac AR+turbo controller? Because they are and then some.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 324	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:28:00 - [29] - Quote Well personally, I do think it should be hard for AV's to take out tanks. But not LAV's. Those are SUPPOSED to be glass cannons. Why would it take 3 of the bloody things, which have drawbacks in nearly every way, just to kill them? And what do you do when another LAV comes around and you haven't resupplied? Well I'm not speccing grenades "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 968	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:53:00 - [30] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Well personally, I do think it should be hard for AV's to take out tanks. But not LAV's. Those are SUPPOSED to be glass cannons. Why would it take 3 of the bloody things, which have drawbacks in nearly every way, just to kill them? And what do you do when another LAV comes around and you haven't resupplied? Well I'm not speccing grenades Where does it say that?



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