DUST Search - CCP HOTFIX THE RAILGUN AND ASSAULT DROPSHIP PROBLEM ALREADY!!!

darkiller240 wrote:

Beld Errmon wrote:

darkiller240 wrote:

Beld Errmon wrote:

dropship pilots need to HTFU seriously, the only thing that can counter us is railguns and a very skilled forge gunner, asking for either to be nerfed is asking to be invincible and it already feels overly easy to go 20-30/0 with my ADS, 90% of my dropship losses tend to be pilot error or the suddenly RDV of death, if all of your losses are to railguns your not being good at your profession.

So your a dropship pilot right, tottaly not a red line tank sniper
nooo no your not
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Beld%20Errmon
and https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1642233#post1642233

Yes you see Im a dropship pilot that can HTFU and adapt, when someone spoils my ADS session with a rail tank, I fly back to base and pull my own out, more often than not they regret ever shooting at my ADS.

If you think that not being a moron that focuses exclusively on one aspect of dust invalidates my opinion, then you are a fool.

See heres the problem
Tanks SHOULD be able to die from other thing other then another tank
if they cant its the definition of OP

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jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2013.12.22 07:11:00 - [1] - Quote railguns are way to damm powerful, reduce thier damage by 100 and reduce thier fire rate to 1.6 levels, limit thier range to 350m. reduce assault dropship hulls to atleast 200k isk, thier way to expensive for thier effectiveness. increase invubus pg to 1400 &/or decrease cpu & pg costs of basic 120mm plates and basic heavy rep. increase python pg by 100 the shield fitting skill is useless with complex pg upgrade. reduce railgun installation range to 150m or 200m dammit im tired of LOL railgun installations. reduce the angle of which a railgun can aim up slightly. some of these things can be hotfixed recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2013.12.22 07:14:00 - [2] - Quote also make railguns do 70% or 60% damage to shields like WTH pythons get 2 shotted by MLT railguns with 2550 shield sometimes and railguns fire too fast to get out of the way. also increase python acceleration to be fast as a gunlogi or lav and speed they cant put afterburners. /rant recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2013.12.22 07:28:00 - [3] - Quote ps EVERY light shield vehicle reps faster than a heavy shield vehicle, but EVERY armor vehicle regens ALOT slower than a HEAVY vehicle, invubus needs a buff to at least fit a basic or enhanced armor rep with sacrificing ALL tank and afterburners, heck i should regen faster than a madrugar, but 90 hp/s is what you get....... recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2013.12.22 08:01:00 - [4] - Quote bump these broken things must be fixed asap recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 471	Posted - 2013.12.22 08:59:00 - [5] - Quote Woah that's a lot for a hotfix. I would agree that having a longer charge time is needed for rail/dropship balance. I barley get a chance to turn on my mods before the second shot comes. And that's only when i don't have to correct my flight patch to avoid crashing. That would be a good hotfix
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2013.12.22 09:25:00 - [6] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Woah that's a lot for a hotfix. I would agree that having a longer charge time is needed for rail/dropship balance. I barley get a chance to turn on my mods before the second shot comes. And that's only when i don't have to correct my flight patch to avoid crashing. That would be a good hotfix some are patch some are hotfix, like fire rate and pg and damage recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Jason Pearson 3574	Posted - 2013.12.22 09:46:00 - [7] - Quote So to make it clearer, you want the following.. Reduced Railgun damage Reduced Railgun range Reduced Railgun rate of fire Reduced price of Assault Dropships Increased PG for the Python and Incubus Reduced Railgun Installation range Reduced Railgun turret elevation Increased Shield Resistance against Railguns Increased Python acceleration Increased passive regen for light vehicles (And I'm guessing give light vehicles bonuses to their armor reppers?) Most of these are appropriate I think, though I do have some thoughts. Look to tweaking different things one at a time, and consider the other vehicles affected, a Railgun is an effective AT weapon, so reducing its damage would make it worse than using something like Missiles. So rather than lowering DPS for a Railgun, a reduction to elevation may actually solve many issues Dropships are facing, ofcourse there's always the problem that a tank will find a hill so it can aim upwards, but that can be worked on. Seriously, ADS prices are that high? That is ******* ridiculous and needs a fix right away, If a tank hull costs under 100k, the Dropships need to be around that price also. I don't feel it necessary to nerf railgun installations to the extent you're proposing, however, if your complaint is due to the fact that the A.I fires at you from that distance (I know the feeling, every other vehicle has this problem) then rather than nerf the installation and making them ineffective against vehicles again (though Dropships have always had a problem with them), nerf the A.I targeting range, if you get close to them, that's your fault but nobody deserves to be shot out of the sky randomly by an A.I installation. On the regen, can we safely buff it without affecting AV? If so, then fully support, light vehicles and dropships need additional perks to be used, if the LAV had an even higher regen, perhaps double a Gunnlogi (Gunnlogi has around 160 on shield regen) then I could see it being used a lot more. Same with the Dropship, though I haven't flown this build due to lack of a controller, so that's down to all the pilots this build to discuss further. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1244	Posted - 2013.12.22 09:49:00 - [8] - Quote Alot of people havn't realised the power of railguns yet, I swapped out all my vehicles for rails guns but the blueberries are like "meh", they still think this is chromosome or what-evs. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3506	Posted - 2013.12.22 09:52:00 - [9] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Alot of people havn't realised the power of railguns yet, I swapped out all my vehicles for rails guns but the blueberries are like "meh", they still think this is chromosome or what-evs. In chrom, rails were stronger GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 216	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:20:00 - [10] - Quote Agree with all but the range nerf they are ment for long range Also the pyphon shouldent have nockback as its a shieldtanker "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1151	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:30:00 - [11] - Quote dropship pilots need to HTFU seriously, the only thing that can counter us is railguns and a very skilled forge gunner, asking for either to be nerfed is asking to be invincible and it already feels overly easy to go 20-30/0 with my ADS, 90% of my dropship losses tend to be pilot error or the suddenly RDV of death, if all of your losses are to railguns your not being good at your profession.
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 216	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:43:00 - [12] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: dropship pilots need to HTFU seriously, the only thing that can counter us is railguns and a very skilled forge gunner, asking for either to be nerfed is asking to be invincible and it already feels overly easy to go 20-30/0 with my ADS, 90% of my dropship losses tend to be pilot error or the suddenly RDV of death, if all of your losses are to railguns your not being good at your profession. So your a dropship pilot right, tottaly not a red line tank sniper nooo no your not https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Beld%20Errmon "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:50:00 - [13] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Agree with all but the range nerf they are ment for long range Also the pyphon shouldent have nockback as its a shieldtanker ok 400m range so no redliners? but the ADS's hull's are 312k and are weak with mods (railgun vs python,)(LOL armor rep for incubus)less hp means higher regen i had 60% of 3600 armor and got 1 shotted, ADS's need a resistance to LOL forges recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:52:00 - [14] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: dropship pilots need to HTFU seriously, the only thing that can counter us is railguns and a very skilled forge gunner, asking for either to be nerfed is asking to be invincible and it already feels overly easy to go 20-30/0 with my ADS, 90% of my dropship losses tend to be pilot error or the suddenly RDV of death, if all of your losses are to railguns your not being good at your profession. oh yea the best player can avoid an instant 2hk from a rail noob, or a LOL forge gun hitscan(basicly)noob, buff swarm dmg by 20 recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1151	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:55:00 - [15] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: dropship pilots need to HTFU seriously, the only thing that can counter us is railguns and a very skilled forge gunner, asking for either to be nerfed is asking to be invincible and it already feels overly easy to go 20-30/0 with my ADS, 90% of my dropship losses tend to be pilot error or the suddenly RDV of death, if all of your losses are to railguns your not being good at your profession. So your a dropship pilot right, tottaly not a red line tank sniper nooo no your not https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Beld%20Errmon and https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1642233#post1642233 Yes you see Im a dropship pilot that can HTFU and adapt, when someone spoils my ADS session with a rail tank, I fly back to base and pull my own out, more often than not they regret ever shooting at my ADS. If you think that not being a moron that focuses exclusively on one aspect of dust invalidates my opinion, then you are a fool.
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 216	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:57:00 - [16] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: dropship pilots need to HTFU seriously, the only thing that can counter us is railguns and a very skilled forge gunner, asking for either to be nerfed is asking to be invincible and it already feels overly easy to go 20-30/0 with my ADS, 90% of my dropship losses tend to be pilot error or the suddenly RDV of death, if all of your losses are to railguns your not being good at your profession. So your a dropship pilot right, tottaly not a red line tank sniper nooo no your not https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Beld%20Errmon and https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1642233#post1642233 Yes you see Im a dropship pilot that can HTFU and adapt, when someone spoils my ADS session with a rail tank, I fly back to base and pull my own out, more often than not they regret ever shooting at my ADS. If you think that not being a moron that focuses exclusively on one aspect of dust invalidates my opinion, then you are a fool. See heres the problem Tanks SHOULD be able to die from other thing other then another tank if they cant its the definition of OP "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1153	Posted - 2013.12.22 11:01:00 - [17] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: dropship pilots need to HTFU seriously, the only thing that can counter us is railguns and a very skilled forge gunner, asking for either to be nerfed is asking to be invincible and it already feels overly easy to go 20-30/0 with my ADS, 90% of my dropship losses tend to be pilot error or the suddenly RDV of death, if all of your losses are to railguns your not being good at your profession. So your a dropship pilot right, tottaly not a red line tank sniper nooo no your not https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Beld%20Errmon and https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1642233#post1642233 Yes you see Im a dropship pilot that can HTFU and adapt, when someone spoils my ADS session with a rail tank, I fly back to base and pull my own out, more often than not they regret ever shooting at my ADS. If you think that not being a moron that focuses exclusively on one aspect of dust invalidates my opinion, then you are a fool. See heres the problem Tanks SHOULD be able to die from other thing other then another tank if they cant its the definition of OP They can, I solo'd a brave rail tanking noob that came out of the redline last week, twice in one match he was kinda mad about it, and I was rather surprised with armor reps it should be near on mathematically impossible for an incubus to do.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2247	Posted - 2013.12.22 11:02:00 - [18] - Quote If you want to fly you need to learn to use speed, height and cover or you'll be walking home. Take out your anti-vehicle fit ADS and deal with the situation. Installations not move and are easy to destroy. Redline tanks tend to be thin and run away to be recalled if you start hitting them. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2013.12.22 21:40:00 - [19] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: If you want to fly you need to learn to use speed, height and cover or you'll be walking home. Take out your anti-vehicle fit ADS and deal with the situation. Installations do not move and are easy to destroy. Redline tanks tend to be thin and run away to be recalled if you start hitting them. pythons gets 2 shotted and is too slow to get out of the way and railguns are still broken recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 411	Posted - 2013.12.22 21:58:00 - [20] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: railguns are way to damm powerful, reduce thier damage by 100 and reduce thier fire rate to 1.6 levels, limit thier range to 350m. reduce assault dropship hulls to atleast 200k isk, thier way to expensive for thier effectiveness. increase invubus pg to 1400 &/or decrease cpu & pg costs of basic 120mm plates and basic heavy rep. increase python pg by 100 the shield fitting skill is useless with complex pg upgrade. reduce railgun installation range to 150m or 200m dammit im tired of LOL railgun installations. reduce the angle of which a railgun can aim up slightly. some of these things can be hotfixed Drop ships are for clowns and rail rifles are fine. Fixed You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type

Christiphoros von Poe Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.12.22 21:58:00 - [21] - Quote They should patch the dropship and allow it to use LARGE TURRETS! Small turrets don't do enough DAMAGE! I want a FLYING TANK! EXCLAMATIONS!
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3456	Posted - 2013.12.22 21:59:00 - [22] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: railguns are way to damm powerful, reduce thier damage by 100 and reduce thier fire rate to 1.6 levels, limit thier range to 350m. reduce assault dropship hulls to atleast 200k isk, thier way to expensive for thier effectiveness. increase invubus pg to 1400 &/or decrease cpu & pg costs of basic 120mm plates and basic heavy rep. increase python pg by 100 the shield fitting skill is useless with complex pg upgrade. reduce railgun installation range to 150m or 200m dammit im tired of LOL railgun installations. reduce the angle of which a railgun can aim up slightly. some of these things can be hotfixed Yeah nerf the only good AV weapon i have left. HTFU. Railguns are... F I N E X) AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2013.12.22 22:01:00 - [23] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: railguns are way to damm powerful, reduce thier damage by 100 and reduce thier fire rate to 1.6 levels, limit thier range to 350m. reduce assault dropship hulls to atleast 200k isk, thier way to expensive for thier effectiveness. increase invubus pg to 1400 &/or decrease cpu & pg costs of basic 120mm plates and basic heavy rep. increase python pg by 100 the shield fitting skill is useless with complex pg upgrade. reduce railgun installation range to 150m or 200m dammit im tired of LOL railgun installations. reduce the angle of which a railgun can aim up slightly. some of these things can be hotfixed Yeah nerf the only good AV weapon i have left. HTFU. Railguns are... F I N E X) buff swarms by 20 or 30 damage recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3456	Posted - 2013.12.22 22:06:00 - [24] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: railguns are way to damm powerful, reduce thier damage by 100 and reduce thier fire rate to 1.6 levels, limit thier range to 350m. reduce assault dropship hulls to atleast 200k isk, thier way to expensive for thier effectiveness. increase invubus pg to 1400 &/or decrease cpu & pg costs of basic 120mm plates and basic heavy rep. increase python pg by 100 the shield fitting skill is useless with complex pg upgrade. reduce railgun installation range to 150m or 200m dammit im tired of LOL railgun installations. reduce the angle of which a railgun can aim up slightly. some of these things can be hotfixed Yeah nerf the only good AV weapon i have left. HTFU. Railguns are... F I N E X) buff swarms by 20 or 30 damage HAHA Ds pilots would love that huh? no rail turrets in exchange for more swarm damage? So the ONLY COUNTER LEFT FOR DS is Forgeguns? No: Give Swarms a RANGE buff of a minimum of 200mts, and THEN ,we can talk nerfing rail turrets... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 287	Posted - 2013.12.22 22:07:00 - [25] - Quote Well if you want rails reduced to 350m I want blasters down to 75m.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2013.12.22 22:08:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: railguns are way to damm powerful, reduce thier damage by 100 and reduce thier fire rate to 1.6 levels, limit thier range to 350m. reduce assault dropship hulls to atleast 200k isk, thier way to expensive for thier effectiveness. increase invubus pg to 1400 &/or decrease cpu & pg costs of basic 120mm plates and basic heavy rep. increase python pg by 100 the shield fitting skill is useless with complex pg upgrade. reduce railgun installation range to 150m or 200m dammit im tired of LOL railgun installations. reduce the angle of which a railgun can aim up slightly. some of these things can be hotfixed Yeah nerf the only good AV weapon i have left. HTFU. Railguns are... F I N E X) buff swarms by 20 or 30 damage No: Give[b] Swarms a RANGE Did you know: railguns have higher damage and fire rate than compressed railguns. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 536	Posted - 2013.12.22 22:09:00 - [27] - Quote lower rof would really be all that could be needed or we could increase the rate it over heats instead.. now for the rail gun installation. id say 400meters would be good..
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2013.12.22 22:09:00 - [28] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Well if you want rails reduced to 350m I want blasters down to 75m. fine they have too much range anyways recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5195	Posted - 2013.12.22 22:09:00 - [29] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: railguns are way to damm powerful, reduce thier damage by 100 and reduce thier fire rate to 1.6 levels, limit thier range to 350m. reduce assault dropship hulls to atleast 200k isk, thier way to expensive for thier effectiveness. increase invubus pg to 1400 &/or decrease cpu & pg costs of basic 120mm plates and basic heavy rep. increase python pg by 100 the shield fitting skill is useless with complex pg upgrade. reduce railgun installation range to 150m or 200m dammit im tired of LOL railgun installations. reduce the angle of which a railgun can aim up slightly. some of these things can be hotfixed You mean a mass accelerated slug magically disappears at 350m rather than going the KM's it normally would? Those are some very odd physics you subscribe to. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2013.12.22 22:11:00 - [30] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: lower rof would really be all that could be needed or we could increase the rate it over heats instead.. now for the rail gun installation. id say 400meters would be good.. still too much, railguns need 100 less damage and 1.6 fire rate or 1.6 fire rate with a 1800 dmg cap to prevent damage modded proto rails getting the same broken effect as CX damage mods recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit



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