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IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 198	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:07:00 - [31] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Michael Arck wrote: lol let's not talk about this. I think the time is just fine for it. I think if we did change this, it will only present us with more problems. If it isn't broke... But it is broke not only can whisk away a vehicle in such a short time. You can call it back about 20secs later with new Hardeners, Restocked Ammo and Full Health Which first off completlly nullifys the whole point of having amnunition. Bypasses the 'waves of oppurtunity' by getting faster cooldown And repairs your tank. All this and all you need 5 seconds to be home and dry. So far the best option is to force THAT fit to be unavailable for a longer period of time, longer than cooldowns on the vehicle. You should have to physically wait for the benifits you get from recalling. I don't get it. What's the problem with the recall, really? It's like this guy I know who would walk the floors, checking servers for problems. He would see some acute error, investigate it, then tinker around and then we had a mess load of problems on our hands. My point is, why are we looking for problems, really? The tank recall is fine for everybody. You need to get your vehicle out in a hurry. Sometimes I feel the Dust community just looks for problems, blow them up and then get things reconfigured. Most of the time, they are not happy with the results. Just like the scanning issue. People praised WPs for scanning. Said it was great. Then boom, now folks are hating on scanners. People talked about tanks. Went on and on about em. Now folks say "its Tank 514" and complain about the surplus of em. The recall is fine. Stop looking for problems that don't exist. LOL, when did recalling vehicles ever become a problem?? You need to get your vehicle out in a hurry....so you need an escape route, you need to have a plan, tactics, use your team to help cover your retreat, because a retreat from a fight is what you're talking about. Pressing a button that performs magic is what I think the problem is really. It doesn't seem the correct usage of the mechanic.
Lonegnr Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 20	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:08:00 - [32] - Quote Saw this for the first time in a match a little while, it's actually pretty hilarious when you think about it. Sniper was flying a dropship to a perch, bailing and recalling the ship. Full benefit with no risk. This is broken.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2366	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:10:00 - [33] - Quote What doesn't seem reasonable is complaining about the recall. You are capable of doing that yourself. Maybe folks don't understand me, but I see the recall issue as a minor problem. People don't mind talking about this when they want the kill...that is until the situation arrives when they need to recall the tank, but now its hampered due to changes in the recall timer. Now its back to "recall timer needs to be shortened". I believe this is relative small if not non existent problem. It's like sometimes folks just look for things to change just because what they experienced worked against them. So they want to change it. I think that's wrong to judge it from that perspective. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6548	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:15:00 - [34] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: What doesn't seem reasonable is complaining about the recall. You are capable of doing that yourself. Maybe folks don't understand me, but I see the recall issue as a minor problem. People don't mind talking about this when they want the kill...that is until the situation arrives when they need to recall the tank, but now its hampered due to changes in the recall timer. Now its back to "recall timer needs to be shortened". I believe this is relative small if not non existent problem. It's like sometimes folks just look for things to change just because what they experienced worked against them. So they want to change it. I think that's wrong to judge it from that perspective. So, it's fine because everyone can do it? Everyone could use the old TAR. Did that make it okay? It's not a non-existent problem. If you're going to lose a tank fight, you can jump out and recall it while still under fire in some cases - and in others drive around a corner for a little more time to do so. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2366	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:22:00 - [35] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Michael Arck wrote: What doesn't seem reasonable is complaining about the recall. You are capable of doing that yourself. Maybe folks don't understand me, but I see the recall issue as a minor problem. People don't mind talking about this when they want the kill...that is until the situation arrives when they need to recall the tank, but now its hampered due to changes in the recall timer. Now its back to "recall timer needs to be shortened". I believe this is relative small if not non existent problem. It's like sometimes folks just look for things to change just because what they experienced worked against them. So they want to change it. I think that's wrong to judge it from that perspective. So, it's fine because everyone can do it? Everyone could use the old TAR. Did that make it okay? It's not a non-existent problem. If you're going to lose a tank fight, you can jump out and recall it while still under fire in some cases - and in others drive around a corner for a little more time to do so. You're not getting what I'm saying. Not everything should be tampered with. And where did this all of sudden come from? Now folks have a problem with people recalling the tank in 5 seconds? What is going on here? Are we talking about balance for the killer or balance for the tanker? It's a part of the game. If I see a guy recall his tank, that's just as fine for me as me blowing up the tank. It's off the field and timer set that prevents him from calling in another is enough to change or continue the tide of war. Can't say it enough, you can't go around looking for problems with everything. Especially when I play heavy roles and I want to jump out my car in a hotspot and recall my vehicle quickly to assist my team. It has its merits. You're just thinking on the side of "I can't kill him because he recalled his tank under 5 seconds". I wholeheartedly believe in tough spots, you appreciate the 5 second recall. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6548	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:24:00 - [36] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Michael Arck wrote: What doesn't seem reasonable is complaining about the recall. You are capable of doing that yourself. Maybe folks don't understand me, but I see the recall issue as a minor problem. People don't mind talking about this when they want the kill...that is until the situation arrives when they need to recall the tank, but now its hampered due to changes in the recall timer. Now its back to "recall timer needs to be shortened". I believe this is relative small if not non existent problem. It's like sometimes folks just look for things to change just because what they experienced worked against them. So they want to change it. I think that's wrong to judge it from that perspective. So, it's fine because everyone can do it? Everyone could use the old TAR. Did that make it okay? It's not a non-existent problem. If you're going to lose a tank fight, you can jump out and recall it while still under fire in some cases - and in others drive around a corner for a little more time to do so. You're not getting what I'm saying. Not everything should be tampered with. And where did this all of sudden come from? Now folks have a problem with people recalling the tank in 5 seconds? What is going on here? Are we talking about balance for the killer or balance for the tanker? It's a part of the game. If I see a guy recall his tank, that's just as fine for me as me blowing up the tank. It's off the field and timer set that prevents him from calling in another is enough to change or continue the tide of war. Can't say it enough, you can't go around looking for problems with everything. Especially when I play heavy roles and I want to jump out my car in a hotspot and recall my vehicle quickly to assist my team. It has its merits. You're just thinking on the side of "I can't kill him because he recalled his tank under 5 seconds". I wholeheartedly believe in tough spots, you appreciate the 5 second recall. Sure, I appreciate being able to recall my tank in 5 seconds even whilst under fire. That doesn't mean it's right. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 199	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:35:00 - [37] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: What doesn't seem reasonable is complaining about the recall. You are capable of doing that yourself. Maybe folks don't understand me, but I see the recall issue as a minor problem. People don't mind talking about this when they want the kill...that is until the situation arrives when they need to recall the tank, but now its hampered due to changes in the recall timer. Now its back to "recall timer needs to be shortened". I believe this is relative small if not non existent problem. It's like sometimes folks just look for things to change just because what they experienced worked against them. So they want to change it. I think that's wrong to judge it from that perspective. For the record, I don't even tank. I barely fly dropships. I'm seeing an issue here from an objective standpoint as far as I'm concerned. Michael Arck wrote: And where did this all of sudden come from? Now folks have a problem with people recalling the tank in 5 seconds? Perhaps it's suddenly appeared because we've suddenly got new vehicles etc. that everyone's been waiting for for months. I dunno, and I take your point that if someone recalls their vehicle, you've got them off the field one way or another - maybe you shouldn't care that you didn't get them off the field by killing them. But at zero risk to them, so they just wash, rinse, repeat. If they actually had the appropriate level of risk, the fact you bested them might make them think twice about doing it again, and then your victory is bigger....and appropriate.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2367	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:47:00 - [38] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Michael Arck wrote: What doesn't seem reasonable is complaining about the recall. You are capable of doing that yourself. Maybe folks don't understand me, but I see the recall issue as a minor problem. People don't mind talking about this when they want the kill...that is until the situation arrives when they need to recall the tank, but now its hampered due to changes in the recall timer. Now its back to "recall timer needs to be shortened". I believe this is relative small if not non existent problem. It's like sometimes folks just look for things to change just because what they experienced worked against them. So they want to change it. I think that's wrong to judge it from that perspective. For the record, I don't even tank. I barely fly dropships. I'm seeing an issue here from an objective standpoint as far as I'm concerned. Michael Arck wrote: And where did this all of sudden come from? Now folks have a problem with people recalling the tank in 5 seconds? Perhaps it's suddenly appeared because we've suddenly got new vehicles etc. that everyone's been waiting for for months. I dunno, and I take your point that if someone recalls their vehicle, you've got them off the field one way or another - maybe you shouldn't care that you didn't get them off the field by killing them. But at zero risk to them, so they just wash, rinse, repeat. If they actually had the appropriate level of risk, the fact you bested them might make them think twice about doing it again, and then your victory is bigger....and appropriate. My points is Dust 514 witch hunts can be more harmful than beneficial. Some act as if they haven't been in situations where they appreciated the 5 second recall themselves. I don't know, I don't have that mentality of "they gotta lose it for bringing it out!! why is he getting away with that??". A victory is a victory. Smh. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 527	Posted - 2013.12.21 11:50:00 - [39] - Quote Two simple ideas about recalling I just want to inject in case CCP is reading. You can fully use these ideas CCP no charge/credits. 1. Remote Recall. If someone steals your vehicle or you leave it you should be able to have it recalled remotely. Dump all passengers out at the MCC after a timer / warning. THEN when the timer runs out invis / RDV. Obviously a hacked vehicle would be exempt. 2. Damaged vehicles should have a threshold where they can no longer be recalled due to safety hazard. (flaming, 20% health w/e) In fact, if your vehicle is that messed up you shouldn't be able to get out (doors melted bc of fire w/e). "Because beer, that's why."
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 329	Posted - 2013.12.21 12:17:00 - [40] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I'm currently against changing the recall mechanics until the sockets/maps have better supply depot placement as there are a lot of sockets (in particular the sockets in the Gallente Research set) that supply depots are on top of buildings, behind railings and other obstacles that prevent a vehicle from being able to resupply and rearm. This applies in the redline as well. It essentially forces a vehicle specialist to recall their vehicle if they run out of ammunition and while it's discouraging that many are using it as a form of, as you say, getting the expensive gear off the field when in danger; I think it's a necessary evil until there are better options to rearm. It's fine to have a recall mechanic. 100% fine. But being able to do it this quickly? Yes, the speed is the issue. I understand it's frustrating but there is a healthy length of time that they cannot call a vehicle in after it has successfully be recalled. I think a better solution would be to increase the time it takes to hack the vehicle and reduce the time it takes to call another one in, basically reversing the timers. Would this be acceptable? Hell, I'd see no issue with that. An come on, anyone that has done any kind of decent tanking never recalls their HAV and then waits to call in the next one. They jump out, call in the replacement, recall the present one, and jump into the new one, all in under 10 seconds. I'm very happy with the new tank mechanics, but the above mechanic is broken. Well, large railgun range needs to be cut, but that's for a different thread. I'd be on for a recall time equal to the nullcannon counter hack time length, plus only allow one vehicle per player to be deployed at a time. Of course, this would have to be done at the same time as vehicle friendly supply depots are placed in each ground spawn.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2014	Posted - 2013.12.21 12:22:00 - [41] - Quote Fine by me My tank cant climb stairs to that depot Plus infantry do it at depots all the time and instantly get back armor and shields If you want tanks to swap at a depot then great, it means i dont have to get out of my tank and also the new tank will just instantly switch with me already in it with full hp and ammo, no bolas needed Also you cant recall if tank is on fire so get good at killing them tbh Intelligence is OP
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 329	Posted - 2013.12.21 12:27:00 - [42] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Fine by me My tank cant climb stairs to that depot Plus infantry do it at depots all the time and instantly get back armor and shields If you want tanks to swap at a depot then great, it means i dont have to get out of my tank and also the new tank will just instantly switch with me already in it with full hp and ammo, no bolas needed Also you cant recall if tank is on fire so get good at killing them tbh I've to find a depot to do that switch with a dropsuit. The time it takes me to switch once at the depot is close to how long it take you to call in a replacement, recall the old one, and jump in the new one, ANYWHERE in the battlefield. The dropsuit switch does need work, the same as the tank recall does.
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 330	Posted - 2013.12.21 12:32:00 - [43] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Michael Arck wrote: lol let's not talk about this. I think the time is just fine for it. I think if we did change this, it will only present us with more problems. If it isn't broke... But it is broke not only can whisk away a vehicle in such a short time. You can call it back about 20secs later with new Hardeners, Restocked Ammo and Full Health Which first off completlly nullifys the whole point of having amnunition. Bypasses the 'waves of oppurtunity' by getting faster cooldown And repairs your tank. All this and all you need 5 seconds to be home and dry. So far the best option is to force THAT fit to be unavailable for a longer period of time, longer than cooldowns on the vehicle. You should have to physically wait for the benifits you get from recalling. I don't get it. What's the problem with the recall, really? It's like this guy I know who would walk the floors, checking servers for problems. He would see some acute error, investigate it, then tinker around and then we had a mess load of problems on our hands. My point is, why are we looking for problems, really? The tank recall is fine for everybody. You need to get your vehicle out in a hurry. Sometimes I feel the Dust community just looks for problems, blow them up and then get things reconfigured. Most of the time, they are not happy with the results. Just like the scanning issue. People praised WPs for scanning. Said it was great. Then boom, now folks are hating on scanners. People talked about tanks. Went on and on about em. Now folks say "its Tank 514" and complain about the surplus of em. The recall is fine. Stop looking for problems that don't exist. LOL, when did recalling vehicles ever become a problem?? It's not some new FOTM issue that all of a sudden cropped up. It's been debated and argued for as long as the mechanic has been there.
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 330	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:32:00 - [44] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I need that fast recalling when I bring my team into the battle with an LAV or a dropship, especially if I'm using a customized vehicle that costs some ISK. Every second is crucial, enemies might be there already. I do that alot, even if it is just a militia LAV, as since I run a scanner it cost a bit pre 1.7. But, I'll be happy with anything that changes the present recall mechanic. Another option to the ones suggested is that rather than having to stand by the vehicle holding circle to recall it for a longer length of time, which leaves all vehicle operators vulnerable to being taken out, we have a very fast activation of recall using circle, faster than it is now. The vehicle then has all its systems shut down for safe transport, so can't be hacked by the enemy, but is vulnerable to enemy fire for 10-15 seconds after being shutdown while transport is being organised. All modules would be deactivated during this phase too. At present the transport consists of the vehicle magically disappearing into thin air, but hopefully in the future an RDV will swoop in and hook up. During all this the pilot, after the initiation of recall, can be safely in cover, etc. I do run vehicles on my alt with all 10mil SP put into them, so I'm not some infantry guy trying to **** on vehicle centric players, but this is one of the many present game mechanics that needs to be worked on. And as I said earlier, I've the same view on the dropsuit supply depot issue. People on here need to pull their attitudes back and try to be a bit more objective about issues in Dust, rather than attempting to cling to bugs/mechanics that might work sweet for their method of play, but are detrimental to the overall game.


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