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Heals Vaginas Commando Perkone Caldari State 21	Posted - 2013.12.20 17:58:00 - [1] - Quote There needs to be change of how this works. Tried playing for both the Amarr and the Caldari today. I am a full support logi and in every match I came 1st place for my side bar 1 match. WP obvious and easy for me, but in some matches I picked up nearly 5x more kills than anyone else on the team. What the problem is in my eyes: New players: 500-2,000,000 SP ( I understand there are some immense players who have low total SP, they are not majority though.) Obviously every tryhard and his sisters cousin are playing for Gallente and Minmatar, which is fine, except this means the spots in their matches are more competitive, so that when a new(er) player attempts to join they automatically have all four factions selected, the game will then find them a spot, which 9/10 will be on the Caldari and Amarr. It's killing it, this scare off better players because earning 65 LP for a match of agony just isn't fun. I don't really like the idea of blocking players from a gamemode but it is an all actuality in the runnings of helping FW in the long run. By stopping the n00bs from being thrown into the weaker sides, made the Caldari and Amarr might be able to pick up the pace a bit. Easier access to Eve players offering Orbital support would also be handy. Protostompers have found FW pretty nice, to get teamed against noobberries, consistently, more and more players are showing up in the best suits, not in an effort to win, just to stomp. So basically, something needs to be done to stop all the red headed step children thrown in with the albino WoW kids. Killing FW.
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 224	Posted - 2013.12.20 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote Or maybe you are just BAAAAD HTFU QQ MORE WELCOME TO NEW EDEN...Nah just kidding but yeah, I find it weird that I have to wait 5 minutes to get into a Minimatar FW but every time I tried Amarr it took me less than 2 minutes. It's like everyone feel that Amarr is the "losing side" so nobody wants to join it.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2406	Posted - 2013.12.20 18:44:00 - [3] - Quote Heals Vaginas wrote: There needs to be change of how this works. Tried playing for both the Amarr and the Caldari today. I am a full support logi and in every match I came 1st place for my side bar 1 match. WP obvious and easy for me, but in some matches I picked up nearly 5x more kills than anyone else on the team. What the problem is in my eyes: New players: 500-2,000,000 SP ( I understand there are some immense players who have low total SP, they are not majority though.) Obviously every tryhard and his sisters cousin are playing for Gallente and Minmatar, which is fine, except this means the spots in their matches are more competitive, so that when a new(er) player attempts to join they automatically have all four factions selected, the game will then find them a spot, which 9/10 will be on the Caldari and Amarr. It's killing it, this scare off better players because earning 65 LP for a match of agony just isn't fun. I don't really like the idea of blocking players from a gamemode but it is an all actuality in the runnings of helping FW in the long run. By stopping the n00bs from being thrown into the weaker sides, made the Caldari and Amarr might be able to pick up the pace a bit. Easier access to Eve players offering Orbital support would also be handy. Protostompers have found FW pretty nice, to get teamed against noobberries, consistently, more and more players are showing up in the best suits, not in an effort to win, just to stomp. So basically, something needs to be done to stop all the red headed step children thrown in with the albino WoW kids. Killing FW. We are nearly a year away from open beta and the team play in this game has never been as bad as it is now. It is painfully obvious that something has to change. There must be something to PUSH players to play in groups. You'd think getting stomped repeatedly would be enough, but that only leads to QQ on the forums. Perhaps an increase in passive SP gain for being in a corporation???? I'm not sure that's a great idea, but there has to be something. It's not just FW that is the problem, but because there is an incentive to win it's all of a sudden a glaring issue that so many people have no clue how to actually play the game. I've been screaming for changes to incentives for months now. All the passive play in pubs (to build ISK reserves). If losing 6 ADV suits in a pub match leads to breaking even and not actively participating in the winning of a battle leads to a 200K windfall the system is broken. Until that situation is addressed there is little to no hope that pub matches or faction warfare will be "fun" on a regular basis. FW compounds the issue. Once the tide in the battle is turned in one direction the other team lays down even worse than in a pub match. People have to make ISK decisions far too often. I personally have no problem continually pushing a point stubbornly and my KDR shows it. There are not a lot of people like that and it shows in many, many matches. But like I've said above, increasing payouts isn't going to do anything to help all these solo playing randoms to learn how to actually play the game. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
OmegaKelevra Dirty Merc Dirt Work Corporation 42	Posted - 2013.12.20 18:45:00 - [4] - Quote Heals Vaginas wrote: There needs to be change of how this works. Tried playing for both the Amarr and the Caldari today. I am a full support logi and in every match I came 1st place for my side bar 1 match. WP obvious and easy for me, but in some matches I picked up nearly 5x more kills than anyone else on the team. What the problem is in my eyes: New players: 500-2,000,000 SP ( I understand there are some immense players who have low total SP, they are not majority though.) Obviously every tryhard and his sisters cousin are playing for Gallente and Minmatar, which is fine, except this means the spots in their matches are more competitive, so that when a new(er) player attempts to join they automatically have all four factions selected, the game will then find them a spot, which 9/10 will be on the Caldari and Amarr. It's killing it, this scare off better players because earning 65 LP for a match of agony just isn't fun. I don't really like the idea of blocking players from a gamemode but it is an all actuality in the runnings of helping FW in the long run. By stopping the n00bs from being thrown into the weaker sides, made the Caldari and Amarr might be able to pick up the pace a bit. Easier access to Eve players offering Orbital support would also be handy. Protostompers have found FW pretty nice, to get teamed against noobberries, consistently, more and more players are showing up in the best suits, not in an effort to win, just to stomp. So basically, something needs to be done to stop all the red headed step children thrown in with the albino WoW kids. Killing FW. No No No No need to complain now we all complained about pub stomping now protos have somewhere to take it and risk it for a loss of isk stop your bitching Pubs is what one should ***** about I can now run full proto at will yet i have only choose to do it in fw. Not in pubs besides i still got 1 mil sp to go before i can go isk based proto logi :) Sometimes I see some bad@ss about to go kick @ss so I shoot them dead & Then shoot them again Because I hate Zombies<_<
Heals Vaginas Commando Perkone Caldari State 21	Posted - 2013.12.20 18:53:00 - [5] - Quote OmegaKelevra wrote: Heals Vaginas wrote: There needs to be change of how this works. Tried playing for both the Amarr and the Caldari today. I am a full support logi and in every match I came 1st place for my side bar 1 match. WP obvious and easy for me, but in some matches I picked up nearly 5x more kills than anyone else on the team. What the problem is in my eyes: New players: 500-2,000,000 SP ( I understand there are some immense players who have low total SP, they are not majority though.) Obviously every tryhard and his sisters cousin are playing for Gallente and Minmatar, which is fine, except this means the spots in their matches are more competitive, so that when a new(er) player attempts to join they automatically have all four factions selected, the game will then find them a spot, which 9/10 will be on the Caldari and Amarr. It's killing it, this scare off better players because earning 65 LP for a match of agony just isn't fun. I don't really like the idea of blocking players from a gamemode but it is an all actuality in the runnings of helping FW in the long run. By stopping the n00bs from being thrown into the weaker sides, made the Caldari and Amarr might be able to pick up the pace a bit. Easier access to Eve players offering Orbital support would also be handy. Protostompers have found FW pretty nice, to get teamed against noobberries, consistently, more and more players are showing up in the best suits, not in an effort to win, just to stomp. So basically, something needs to be done to stop all the red headed step children thrown in with the albino WoW kids. Killing FW. No No No No need to complain now we all complained about pub stomping now protos have somewhere to take it and risk it for a loss of isk stop your bitching Pubs is what one should ***** about I can now run full proto at will yet i have only choose to do it in fw. Not in pubs besides i still got 1 mil sp to go before i can go isk based proto logi :) I'm not moaning about full proto, I'm to the firm line of thought that if someone has earned full proto, adv or even officer weapons they can use them how they please. The issue is that the Galente and minmatar players smell the weakness they face and a furthermore cementing the game into a shallow grave, by mistaking new players for easy kills rather than players the game needs to stick around,
OmegaKelevra Dirty Merc Dirt Work Corporation 42	Posted - 2013.12.20 18:58:00 - [6] - Quote Yes this is why thier should be equal rewards in fw not one side get 300-900 and the other get 65? no this is bullsh!t winning side 1000 LP & loosing side 500-750 LP's thats the way it should be at this time my only gain fighting for cal or Amar is for DMG mods & Sentinel suits but to get even more equal play the empire with the lowest for the week win ratio should get 10- 20% lp bonus either way for the next week while fighting for said empire Sometimes I see some team member about to kick@ss so I shoot them dead & Then shoot them again Because I hate Zombies<_<
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2485	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:04:00 - [7] - Quote don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
OmegaKelevra Dirty Merc Dirt Work Corporation 42	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:14:00 - [8] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Easy there "Elite super cool Alpha Monkey G Dog" Some of us have no use for a mic & some of us don't care to hear some 11 year old gangsta curse like a sailor just for sh!ts & giggles. and there again some can't afford a mic. I think your little elitism has went to you head thus causing your fingers to distribute poo.. Sometimes I see some team member about to kick@ss so I shoot them dead & Then shoot them again Because I hate Zombies<_<
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2406	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:16:00 - [9] - Quote OmegaKelevra wrote: Yes this is why thier should be equal rewards in fw not one side get 300-900 and the other get 65? no this is bullsh!t winning side 1000 LP & loosing side 500-750 LP's thats the way it should be at this time my only gain fighting for cal or Amar is for DMG mods & Sentinel suits but to get even more equal play the empire with the lowest for the week win ratio should get 10- 20% lp bonus either way for the next week while fighting for said empire The losing side shouldn't get much. What should happen is that CCP should build in a mechanic that increases payouts for the factions that are getting stomped. You should be able to search for vulnerable systems and see increased "offers" from factions to help turn the tide in battles. This would be a decent proposal being that they've made it that standings don't really matter. (200+ wins nets double the LP lol) Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2486	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:17:00 - [10] - Quote u have a PS3.... a compatible mic, even a crappy one that is functional, can be purchased for about $10 you are playing a FREE game this is a TEAM based game, I know us 'elitists' understand that and the above mentioned items are exactly what makes us 'elitist' WE EACH spent anywhere from $12.99 to $175 on a headset therefore we use communication and teamwork to WIN and not QQ cause we DONT use that your arguments are sad, pathetic, and lucky I don't care about stats or Id look at your and understand exactly why you QQ on the forums in regard to your ineptitude scum Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2406	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:21:00 - [11] - Quote OmegaKelevra wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Easy there "Elite super cool Alpha Monkey G Dog" Some of us have no use for a mic & some of us don't care to hear some 11 year old gangsta curse like a sailor just for sh!ts & giggles. and there again some can't afford a mic. I think your little elitism has went to you head thus causing your fingers to distribute poo.. Then don't expect much. You need to lower your expectations of your Dust experience. There's really no other way to put it. Not being able to communicate would cripple any fighting force. FW right now is similar to what would happen if you dropped off a bunch of dudes in an area that all spoke different languages and split them into teams. Now imagine what would happen if you dropped an organized squad into one of those groups. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Heals Vaginas Commando Perkone Caldari State 21	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:27:00 - [12] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Seems like the airs got a bit thin all the way up their on ya high horse. This isn't QQ about getting killed, I have squad, mic blaw blaw. This is directed at the fact newer players are being thrown into FW, crippling any sort of close team battle. In a game that already has pathetic match making. If those players learned to squad, communicate etc etc you are right they would be better off. Fact of the matter is that they aren't and the game does nothing to push people into team play. More than happy to throw randoms in a FW match against a q sincd corp, who then get all high and mighty and act like you just did Cubs.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 228	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:32:00 - [13] - Quote Harsh as Cubs might be , he is right ... You NEED squads with voice comm to be any way successful out there I do think CCP needs to block players who either don't contribute due to griefing, or if you don't have the gun-game or willingness to talk in squad then don't play FW Way too many useless randoms are deploying in FW and causing the squads who are actually trying to win, to have horribly one-sided battles Running Caldari FW earlier this week for the entire game myself and one other squad member tried our best to hack objectives and for the duration of the battle we were the only 2 friendlies inside the map.... How do 14 players manage to not leave their redline ...?????? And why does CCP let these scrubs rejoin FW ??????
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 694	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:34:00 - [14] - Quote OP i saw you blast your homie w/ a militia forge, maybe they did bad cus you were forging your blueberries lulz
Heals Vaginas Commando Perkone Caldari State 21	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:35:00 - [15] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Harsh as Cubs might be , he is right ... You NEED squads with voice comm to be any way successful out there I do think CCP needs to block players who either don't contribute due to griefing, or if you don't have the gun-game or willingness to talk in squad then don't play FW Way too many useless randoms are deploying in FW and causing the squads who are actually trying to win, to have horribly one-sided battles Running Caldari FW earlier this week for the entire game myself and one other squad member tried our best to hack objectives and for the duration of the battle we were the only 2 friendlies inside the map.... How do 14 players manage to not leave their redline ...?????? And why does CCP let these scrubs rejoin FW ?????? This is my issue, I and a few others are working our asses off, when respawning you see on the over head you managed to squad with 14 snipers, who managed to put an uplink under the MCC. Half of them run in see whats there and give up, knowing they can't beat them. I try to beat them still. Mic's will not stop a full proto squad from stomping 6 new squaded players into the ground.
Heals Vaginas Commando Perkone Caldari State 21	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:38:00 - [16] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: OP i saw you blast your homie w/ a militia forge, maybe they did bad cus you were forging your blueberries lulz Either that or that little ****** kept shooting my shields and HP away every time I charge my shot to hit grodds tank. So I forged his ass, and then continued shooting the tank, that match I can 1st on WP 2nd on kills for my team, put uplinks at all objective and pushed non stop at A and D. That TK happened 20 seconds from the match ending also.
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 266	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:41:00 - [17] - Quote Heals Vaginas wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Seems like the airs got a bit thin all the way up their on ya high horse. This isn't QQ about getting killed, I have squad, mic blaw blaw. This is directed at the fact newer players are being thrown into FW, crippling any sort of close team battle. In a game that already has pathetic match making. If those players learned to squad, communicate etc etc you are right they would be better off. Fact of the matter is that they aren't and the game does nothing to push people into team play. More than happy to throw randoms in a FW match against a q sincd corp, who then get all high and mighty and act like you just did Cubs. Also: If a squad of 6 500k-2mill SP squaded up, mic up players went against nyain lag san, AE they would then be ready to compete against them? because they have mics..... How are new players getting "thrown" into FW? 1st it's a choice, second, there is no payout. If newer players are not able to sustain losses so that they cannot participate then it is working as advertised. FW is also the fantasy or lore side of the game. If you are mad about a bunch of capitalist pigs or religious zelots losing for reasons other than you being a capitalist pig or religious zelot, then you're doing it wrong. I'm not sure how this game could better encourage players to work together than beating the **** out if them. If you lose constantly than you are doing something wrong, not the game. YouTube 30D Recruiting
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 229	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:43:00 - [18] - Quote A squad of new players doesn't really have a place in FW
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2491	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:45:00 - [19] - Quote Im not arguing FOR the fact that matchmaking is not in need of major love. it does.. in a bad way but so, SO many players on dust, both old AND new, enter games solo, do not get on coms etc etc and expect a different outcome than being a highlight in some youtube video of some guy going 80-2 in a match. instead of wasting all our time complaining about something that has been posted 4273 times and CCP is more than aware of, try to focus on getting those lowskilled players working as a team.. communicating that alone will make things more competitive. just covering each others backs OR.. continue trying to look through a dirty window and see me and those like me as 'elitists' and 'bad for the game' etc etc. without us, this game would be beyond a joke and would only cater to 11 year olds who just got a PS3 and only have F2P access from mommy and daddy.... just sayin Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2491	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:47:00 - [20] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: Heals Vaginas wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Seems like the airs got a bit thin all the way up their on ya high horse. This isn't QQ about getting killed, I have squad, mic blaw blaw. This is directed at the fact newer players are being thrown into FW, crippling any sort of close team battle. In a game that already has pathetic match making. If those players learned to squad, communicate etc etc you are right they would be better off. Fact of the matter is that they aren't and the game does nothing to push people into team play. More than happy to throw randoms in a FW match against a q sincd corp, who then get all high and mighty and act like you just did Cubs. Also: If a squad of 6 500k-2mill SP squaded up, mic up players went against nyain lag san, AE they would then be ready to compete against them? because they have mics..... How are new players getting "thrown" into FW? 1st it's a choice, second, there is no payout. If newer players are not able to sustain losses so that they cannot participate then it is working as advertised. FW is also the fantasy or lore side of the game. If you are mad about a bunch of capitalist pigs or religious zelots losing for reasons other than you being a capitalist pig or religious zelot, then you're doing it wrong. I'm not sure how this game could better encourage players to work together than beating the ** out if them. If you lose constantly than you are doing something wrong, not the game. enough outta you SCUM! get back to the fields! Common Sense and Logic** are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.

Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2350	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:51:00 - [21] - Quote Well one reason a lot of players are likely not fighting for Amarr is because their Loyalty Store is very limited. SCR's SCrP's Armor plates Armor repairers Uplinks Amarr suits And that is pretty much it "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9243	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:52:00 - [22] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. **** you noobs and your squads Real men roll alone Vids / O7
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 266	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:53:00 - [23] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: Heals Vaginas wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Seems like the airs got a bit thin all the way up their on ya high horse. This isn't QQ about getting killed, I have squad, mic blaw blaw. This is directed at the fact newer players are being thrown into FW, crippling any sort of close team battle. In a game that already has pathetic match making. If those players learned to squad, communicate etc etc you are right they would be better off. Fact of the matter is that they aren't and the game does nothing to push people into team play. More than happy to throw randoms in a FW match against a q sincd corp, who then get all high and mighty and act like you just did Cubs. Also: If a squad of 6 500k-2mill SP squaded up, mic up players went against nyain lag san, AE they would then be ready to compete against them? because they have mics..... How are new players getting "thrown" into FW? 1st it's a choice, second, there is no payout. If newer players are not able to sustain losses so that they cannot participate then it is working as advertised. FW is also the fantasy or lore side of the game. If you are mad about a bunch of capitalist pigs or religious zelots losing for reasons other than you being a capitalist pig or religious zelot, then you're doing it wrong. I'm not sure how this game could better encourage players to work together than beating the **** out if them. If you lose constantly than you are doing something wrong, not the game. enough outta you SCUM! get back to the fields! Can it hippy, before I take that daisy out of your hair and shove it up your ass. YouTube 30D Recruiting
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2494	Posted - 2013.12.20 20:00:00 - [24] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Well one reason a lot of players are likely not fighting for Amarr is because their Loyalty Store is very limited. SCR's SCrP's Armor plates Armor repairers Uplinks Amarr suits And that is pretty much it only thing ive bought and used are damage mods. then again I don't fight for the amarr for their outstanding store items I do it cause its the only way I can beat down and shackle minmatar scum. well that and the empress keeps threatening my unborn child... but that's a different story Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 909	Posted - 2013.12.20 20:31:00 - [25] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. I agree. You five guys that are left have fun before CCP shuts this failure down. IT'S A F*CKING GAME! Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1819	Posted - 2013.12.20 20:42:00 - [26] - Quote Tldr: I knowingly bought aurum and want a refund for the items I purchased with said aurum. Ccp forced me to do it. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
OmegaKelevra Dirty Merc Dirt Work Corporation 45	Posted - 2013.12.21 02:14:00 - [27] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: u have a PS3.... a compatible mic, even a crappy one that is functional, can be purchased for about $10 you are playing a FREE game this is a TEAM based game, I know us 'elitists' understand that and the above mentioned items are exactly what makes us 'elitist' WE EACH spent anywhere from $12.99 to $175 on a headset therefore we use communication and teamwork to WIN and not QQ cause we DONT use that your arguments are sad, pathetic, and lucky I don't care about stats or Id look at your and understand exactly why you QQ on the forums in regard to your ineptitude scum Easy their spanky not having a voice has nothing to do ineptitude or lack their of i was making a point for other players and my disregard for mics has nothing to do with my lack of desirable team work & everything to to do with some jack wagon using voice chat as their personal soap box like most players wanna hear that garbage. and then there are those whom leave the mic on auto run so we can all listen too them eat cheeto's and kids crying in the back ground personal favorite.. I actually had my buddy give me a mic while he made a omega toon with me to try this game out could hear everything. I can see the benefit of having it and what wonderful tool it can be until jackwagons like above mentioned ruin it which I'm sure you've all had to endure since most are full mic 24/7 And just for the record i have gotten very fond of rolling alone running with a team hear and there only to pool points for ob's I enjoy my heavy kill taxie hmg. And exile assault bpo combo always carrying re's its actually easy for me not to squad so i can do hit -n- run's leaving little ambush points all over the map doing things you usually can't get a squad to do together.. Sometimes I see some team member about to kick@ss so I shoot them dead & Then shoot them again Because I hate Zombies<_<
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2357	Posted - 2013.12.21 02:29:00 - [28] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Heals Vaginas wrote: There needs to be change of how this works. Tried playing for both the Amarr and the Caldari today. I am a full support logi and in every match I came 1st place for my side bar 1 match. WP obvious and easy for me, but in some matches I picked up nearly 5x more kills than anyone else on the team. What the problem is in my eyes: New players: 500-2,000,000 SP ( I understand there are some immense players who have low total SP, they are not majority though.) Obviously every tryhard and his sisters cousin are playing for Gallente and Minmatar, which is fine, except this means the spots in their matches are more competitive, so that when a new(er) player attempts to join they automatically have all four factions selected, the game will then find them a spot, which 9/10 will be on the Caldari and Amarr. It's killing it, this scare off better players because earning 65 LP for a match of agony just isn't fun. I don't really like the idea of blocking players from a gamemode but it is an all actuality in the runnings of helping FW in the long run. By stopping the n00bs from being thrown into the weaker sides, made the Caldari and Amarr might be able to pick up the pace a bit. Easier access to Eve players offering Orbital support would also be handy. Protostompers have found FW pretty nice, to get teamed against noobberries, consistently, more and more players are showing up in the best suits, not in an effort to win, just to stomp. So basically, something needs to be done to stop all the red headed step children thrown in with the albino WoW kids. Killing FW. We are nearly a year away from open beta and the team play in this game has never been as bad as it is now. It is painfully obvious that something has to change. There must be something to PUSH players to play in groups. You'd think getting stomped repeatedly would be enough, but that only leads to QQ on the forums. Perhaps an increase in passive SP gain for being in a corporation???? I'm not sure that's a great idea, but there has to be something. It's not just FW that is the problem, but because there is an incentive to win it's all of a sudden a glaring issue that so many people have no clue how to actually play the game. I've been screaming for changes to incentives for months now. All the passive play in pubs (to build ISK reserves). If losing 6 ADV suits in a pub match leads to breaking even and not actively participating in the winning of a battle leads to a 200K windfall the system is broken. Until that situation is addressed there is little to no hope that pub matches or faction warfare will be "fun" on a regular basis. FW compounds the issue. Once the tide in the battle is turned in one direction the other team lays down even worse than in a pub match. People have to make ISK decisions far too often. I personally have no problem continually pushing a point stubbornly and my KDR shows it. There are not a lot of people like that and it shows in many, many matches. But like I've said above, increasing payouts isn't going to do anything to help all these solo playing randoms to learn how to actually play the game. +10,000 You are so right. FW reveals a glaring problem that has been around since Uprising and possibly before. People do not work with each other. We go in with two squads on a q sync. Step into the warbarge. Select team chat. Segmented spinning disk. Loads. We are the only two squads in the match with a load of blueberries under no squad Type on team comms. "Squad up people" No one does. "create squad and squad up! voice on comms!" Not a budge. Enter match, two squads work harder than before to even out for those who aren't squad up. Blueberries are running around separately, going against protostompers. So now we have to do twice the work. Which means, its a ISK sink. And a objective chase. Tanks comes onto field. No one reacts. Folks just run around trying to avoid tanks. Tank pins. Proto cleans up the hidden. Rinse and repeat. And folks thought Academy would teach people. Folks think a tutorial can ease the pain. No. What else can you really do to tell people that there are strength in numbers and teamwork? You can't buff the player unless he buff himself. No amount of Academy or tutorial can teach that. I agree 100 percent with your post. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3422	Posted - 2013.12.21 02:34:00 - [29] - Quote Orion Vahid wrote: Or maybe you are just BAAAAD HTFU QQ MORE WELCOME TO NEW EDEN...Nah just kidding but yeah, I find it weird that I have to wait 5 minutes to get into a Minimatar FW but every time I tried Amarr it took me less than 2 minutes. It's like everyone feel that Amarr is the "losing side" so nobody wants to join it. Im actually part of some Wackos idea called the Lentarr Legion.I play for Amarr and Gallente. I always pick Amarr + Gallente on FW. I play Gallente once or twice Per night , all the rest of the games are amarr. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2357	Posted - 2013.12.21 02:35:00 - [30] - Quote OmegaKelevra wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Easy there "Elite super cool Alpha Monkey G Dog" Some of us have no use for a mic & some of us don't care to hear some 11 year old gangsta curse like a sailor just for sh!ts & giggles. and there again some can't afford a mic. I think your little elitism has went to you head thus causing your fingers to distribute poo.. His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I did the no mic thing for a month. It was plain stupid. I had to invest into a bluetooth. You couldn't possibly just "get by" with this game like in others. Cause when you meet a team who is squadded up and with mic, you're going to get a royal ass whooping in match. You would think that light bulb would turn on for some folks... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 460	Posted - 2013.12.21 02:42:00 - [31] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Humm I dont like to agree easily, but I must agree with you in this situation.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9251	Posted - 2013.12.21 02:44:00 - [32] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this Vids / O7
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 758	Posted - 2013.12.21 02:44:00 - [33] - Quote Amarr try but the Caldari are afraid of losing ISK for whatever reason. The pride of the Gallente and the tribal blood of the Matari keeps us going. Only suggestion I'll give is having each player automatically locked to their chosen faction in the beginning. Those who care will switch or edit their faction or just keep playing with their single faction with content. As far as organization goes. You could have a good squad without mics but then you need a proper leader. Mics raise your effectiveness though. People need to stop QQing either way since FW is supposed to be "hard mode." "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2357	Posted - 2013.12.21 03:00:00 - [34] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Michael Arck wrote: His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this Alrighty then...you got it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2357	Posted - 2013.12.21 03:01:00 - [35] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: The equipment of the Gallente keeps us going. Fixed Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9251	Posted - 2013.12.21 03:03:00 - [36] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Michael Arck wrote: His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this Alrighty then...you got it. ::shrugs:: We need a solo only game mode, either teams or free for all. T'would be glorious Vids / O7
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 351	Posted - 2013.12.21 03:13:00 - [37] - Quote Rogue spades usually q sync into caldari and amarr faction warfare. Makes the game much enjoyable. but then we got the pizza face blueberry nerds who actually take time to suicide 50 times. Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 227	Posted - 2013.12.21 14:40:00 - [38] - Quote OmegaKelevra wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync don't have a mic? don't play Dust don't have a squad? don't play Dust QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Easy there "Elite super cool Alpha Monkey G Dog" Some of us have no use for a mic & some of us don't care to hear some 11 year old gangsta curse like a sailor just for sh!ts & giggles. and there again some can't afford a mic. I think your little elitism has went to you head thus causing your fingers to distribute poo.. What he is trying to say is that people with a microphone who are in a squad with other people whom all have microphones, have a much bigger advantage.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2409	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:24:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Michael Arck wrote: His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this But you are just being argumentative here. If you have 16 people running solo vs people in squads it's not going be effective a vast majority of the time. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9278	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:25:00 - [40] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Michael Arck wrote: His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this But you are just being argumentative here. If you have 16 people running solo vs people in squads it's not going be effective a vast majority of the time. I'm not being argumentative, I'm just saying you don't need to play with people to enjoy the game. Vids / O7

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2414	Posted - 2013.12.21 18:44:00 - [41] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Michael Arck wrote: His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this But you are just being argumentative here. If you have 16 people running solo vs people in squads it's not going be effective a vast majority of the time. I'm not being argumentative, I'm just saying you don't need to play with people to enjoy the game. There's no doubt. But there are too many players playing solo and getting their faces stomped off, over and over and over again. Then they run to the forums to complain about matchmaking and proto stomping. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 228	Posted - 2013.12.21 19:06:00 - [42] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Michael Arck wrote: His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this But you are just being argumentative here. If you have 16 people running solo vs people in squads it's not going be effective a vast majority of the time. I'm not being argumentative, I'm just saying you don't need to play with people to enjoy the game. There's no doubt. But there are too many players playing solo and getting their faces stomped off, over and over and over again. Then they run to the forums to complain about matchmaking and proto stomping. I think people just don't want to accept that Squad + mic > no squad + no mic sure, you don't HAVE to do it but doing it DOES give an advantage.
Heals Vaginas Commando Perkone Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:30:00 - [43] - Quote OK so after 3 pages we can establish that having a mic and a squad is better in Dust514. So back to the issue, FW, currently plagued by a matchmaking system that does not try to create even matches, the match making system gets the 1st 16 players and puts them against the next 16 players, no restrictions, no care if one entire team has 20+million SP per player and the other has under 20million SP combined between the opposition. The current situation in FW sees gallente and minmatar favored by a large amount, meaning that when a new player decides to try faction warfare, he has all four races selected and the game will automatically place him in the fastest opening, Caldari and Amarr. So Dust514 is basically AWOXing Cal/Amarr better than any of the little scrubs that are actually trying to do so. Something needs to be added in the game, to allow the FW matches to have equal teams(as equal as it can be) creating better battles. It is then upto the players in these better battles to get themselves a squad, mic up and go killing. Having a mic and a squad at 500,000 life time SP will not help, will NOT fix this.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 241	Posted - 2013.12.22 11:46:00 - [44] - Quote Playing Gallente FW last night, as I need specialist Plasma Cannons 6-man DMG squad came up against, a Q-sync of Contract Hunters My squad finished 1st to 6th place So on to my point - - 6 of us w/voice comm held out against double our number and won - Caldari FW is getting better , they lost but I'm seeing an increase in q-syncing so things should be lookin up for the state I hope


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