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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:44:00 -
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Heals Vaginas wrote:There needs to be change of how this works. Tried playing for both the Amarr and the Caldari today. I am a full support logi and in every match I came 1st place for my side bar 1 match. WP obvious and easy for me, but in some matches I picked up nearly 5x more kills than anyone else on the team.
What the problem is in my eyes:
New players: 500-2,000,000 SP ( I understand there are some immense players who have low total SP, they are not majority though.)
Obviously every tryhard and his sisters cousin are playing for Gallente and Minmatar, which is fine, except this means the spots in their matches are more competitive, so that when a new(er) player attempts to join they automatically have all four factions selected, the game will then find them a spot, which 9/10 will be on the Caldari and Amarr. It's killing it, this scare off better players because earning 65 LP for a match of agony just isn't fun.
I don't really like the idea of blocking players from a gamemode but it is an all actuality in the runnings of helping FW in the long run. By stopping the n00bs from being thrown into the weaker sides, made the Caldari and Amarr might be able to pick up the pace a bit.
Easier access to Eve players offering Orbital support would also be handy.
Protostompers have found FW pretty nice, to get teamed against noobberries, consistently, more and more players are showing up in the best suits, not in an effort to win, just to stomp.
So basically, something needs to be done to stop all the red headed step children thrown in with the albino WoW kids. Killing FW.
We are nearly a year away from open beta and the team play in this game has never been as bad as it is now. It is painfully obvious that something has to change. There must be something to PUSH players to play in groups. You'd think getting stomped repeatedly would be enough, but that only leads to QQ on the forums. Perhaps an increase in passive SP gain for being in a corporation???? I'm not sure that's a great idea, but there has to be something.
It's not just FW that is the problem, but because there is an incentive to win it's all of a sudden a glaring issue that so many people have no clue how to actually play the game. I've been screaming for changes to incentives for months now. All the passive play in pubs (to build ISK reserves).
If losing 6 ADV suits in a pub match leads to breaking even and not actively participating in the winning of a battle leads to a 200K windfall the system is broken. Until that situation is addressed there is little to no hope that pub matches or faction warfare will be "fun" on a regular basis.
FW compounds the issue. Once the tide in the battle is turned in one direction the other team lays down even worse than in a pub match. People have to make ISK decisions far too often. I personally have no problem continually pushing a point stubbornly and my KDR shows it. There are not a lot of people like that and it shows in many, many matches.
But like I've said above, increasing payouts isn't going to do anything to help all these solo playing randoms to learn how to actually play the game.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2406
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Posted - 2013.12.20 19:16:00 -
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OmegaKelevra wrote:Yes this is why thier should be equal rewards in fw not one side get 300-900 and the other get 65? no this is bullsh!t winning side 1000 LP & loosing side 500-750 LP's thats the way it should be at this time my only gain fighting for cal or Amar is for DMG mods & Sentinel suits but to get even more equal play the empire with the lowest for the week win ratio should get 10- 20% lp bonus either way for the next week while fighting for said empire
The losing side shouldn't get much.
What should happen is that CCP should build in a mechanic that increases payouts for the factions that are getting stomped. You should be able to search for vulnerable systems and see increased "offers" from factions to help turn the tide in battles.
This would be a decent proposal being that they've made it that standings don't really matter. (200+ wins nets double the LP lol)
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2406
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Posted - 2013.12.20 19:21:00 -
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OmegaKelevra wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:don't play this game unless you have a squad. if playing FW.. find others playing, get on coms, and Q sync
don't have a mic? don't play Dust
don't have a squad? don't play Dust
QQ every time you die? stay the f@ck off the forums
I swear this entire community needs a swift kick in the @$#@ sometimes.. Easy there "Elite super cool Alpha Monkey G Dog" Some of us have no use for a mic & some of us don't care to hear some 11 year old gangsta curse like a sailor just for sh!ts & giggles. and there again some can't afford a mic. I think your little elitism has went to you head thus causing your fingers to distribute poo.. 
Then don't expect much. You need to lower your expectations of your Dust experience. There's really no other way to put it.
Not being able to communicate would cripple any fighting force.
FW right now is similar to what would happen if you dropped off a bunch of dudes in an area that all spoke different languages and split them into teams.
Now imagine what would happen if you dropped an organized squad into one of those groups.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.21 15:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Michael Arck wrote:His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this
But you are just being argumentative here. If you have 16 people running solo vs people in squads it's not going be effective a vast majority of the time.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.21 18:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Michael Arck wrote:His post wasn't a "elite super cool alpha monkey g dog" post. It's the plain truth. You cannot expect to be effective in Dust without a mic and without rolling in a squad. I've done plenty fine for myself. Only time you have to squad is PC, and I can't play that because I never get more than 3 frames per second. Getting a ps3 slim in a few days, so maybe that will change, but you only "need" a squad if you need people to cover up the gaps in your gameplay. You by no means "need" a squad. Even if you come up against full proto squads, which I often do, you just change around your tactics. Plus, when I do end up running with a squad, I usually feel like this But you are just being argumentative here. If you have 16 people running solo vs people in squads it's not going be effective a vast majority of the time. I'm not being argumentative, I'm just saying you don't need to play with people to enjoy the game.
There's no doubt. But there are too many players playing solo and getting their faces stomped off, over and over and over again. Then they run to the forums to complain about matchmaking and proto stomping.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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