Breach Rifle is OP man.


No but seriously. I'm getting used to it and it's pretty nasty both at a range and in CQC. It's rate of fire and damage makes it nice at long range and if you use it properly up close, most players drop within seconds.

ScR is broken because it is better @ CQC then the AR. Don't get me started on the amarr bonus.

RR should be semi auto and require pacing.

<3 CR

AR is meh why bother

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Above is based on PC experience

So you're saying that if they nerf Rifles, there will be more variety in weapons on the battlefield?

And that would, by necessity, result in longer TTK than we typically see now because most of those weapons you listed don't have as short a TTK as Rifles have at present.

How is this not exactly what the game should be aiming for?

You'll noticed that I said to nerf the Rifles INTO LINE WITH other weapons, not nerf them into comparative uselessness. If Rifles aren't significantly more OR less effective than other weapon options, those weapons will become viable again, and people will use them. BUT because Rifles are still an easy pick-up-and-go weapon, they'll still be more popular in general.

If Rifles are nerfed by a VERY small margin - like a 5% damage OR RoF (not both) nerf across the board, then any outlying high-DPS weapons that are significantly out-performing Rifles get their stats cut by a similar amount, that should increase TTK without significantly altering the landscape of weapon use.

If SMGs end up with slightly higher DPS than Rifles, people will STILL use Rifles because they can kill the SMG users from well outside max SMG range. If Scrambler Pistols end up seeming OP, they might get a slight nerf as well. If this nerf makes Shotguns into the next FOTM somehow and everyone goes full CQC, I'll eat my tank.

ScR is broken because it is better @ CQC then the AR. Don't get me started on the amarr bonus.

RR should be semi auto and require pacing.

<3 CR

AR is meh why bother

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Above is based on PC experience

With slightly more SMG? yeah probably. Then again how muh DPS did the flaylock have before nerf? (not being sarcastic,im truly asking,because range meant nothing to people if they get to use the FP...)

''. If Scrambler Pistols end up seeming OP, they might get a slight nerf as well. If this nerf makes Shotguns into the next FOTM somehow and everyone goes full CQC, I'll eat my tank''

Im somehow NOT very into the way you seem to want to ''Slightly'' nerf every weapon now... XD

The problem with Flaylock wasn't really DPS. It's a burst-damage weapon. The problem was massive splash radius and high splash damage, so it was effectively a "noobtube" - you could use it like contact grenades and just aim close to the target for a good chunk of damage.


A good majority of players who have spoken up about the topic want TTK to increase.

The most popular weapons are Rifles.
The only weapons that always maintain a consistent presence on the battlefield are Rifles.
Other weapons are generally balanced around Rifles.

Increase TTK on Rifles, and find balance from there.

MOST weapons currently feel under-powered, in part because the short TTK negates the value of burst damage in most situations. Reducing the near-instakill potential of the most common DPS-based weapons will make burst weapons more viable. Any other weapon that seems to be stepping outside of being balanced would then get a nerf to bring it back into line.

And if you change your fit to bring a damage mod and negate the loss of 5% damage, but you're sacrificing around 15% of your eHP to do it, then go ahead, someone who DOESN'T make the change can keep their SLIGHT damage nerf and get an indirect buff because you've sacrificed more than you gained by changing your fitting. They'll get - against you, personally - about the same TTK as we have now, but you'll die faster. Right now, TTK with non-modded weapons is pretty close to where it should be with damage mods. If you're saying you'll compensate by bringing damage mods, that just means it's working.

I have proto on all rifles and the CR is the most OP in my opinion.

''SCR OHKO's proto assault suit's don't let them fool you ;) ''
What proto suits? Last time i checked i couldnt drop a SINGLE proto logi,since all have at least 500ARMOR (and the SCR rifle has the worst penalty at 80% vs armor) and anything with 500+ EHP can Survive. If you are talking about PROTO SCOUTS, then i agree.
If you are talking about a CHARGED SHOT , PLUS headshot, i think i kind of deserve the kill, and STILL,most of the times they dont drop,making me have to use follow up shots and having to take out an SMG if there is another enemy near...

''Most SCR users have charged shot's hitting at about 480-520+ damage then you add the headshot.''
So the rifle is OP because i can aim? Because im betting a 1 on 1 firefight on ONE shot? Im still missing the point here...

'' Most brick tanked logi's limp away and are like "WTF.. even a Thales doesn't hit that hard" everyone else either dies and or is lucky.''
1 on 1 the SCR is powerful. I;ve said it, its probably the BEST 1 on 1 weapon in the game. But if you are with ANOTHER friend and you BOTH die to 1 SCR user,you are doing it wrong.

''Its just got a bit to much efficiency everything else is fine. Did they fix the overheat circumvent glitch? *shrugs*
LOL no. In any case, making the SCR have +10% vs Shields and ONLY -10% vs armor would really fix it ;)
Yea the glitch is fixed.


''We don't need AA no more.it hurts the game more then it helps.That or limit it to characters under 5-10m SP and it stops working.. it's just being abused and it's not the new players who benefit from it at this point''
Agreed 100%
Before AA i felt special using the SCR rifle. After AA, not so much....

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BTW , most people saying the SCR is so damn OP are probably AR users....I know bethy is....
CR and RR users are mostly ok vs SCR ,because they have the range to fight back.
(Example: The combat Rifle hits 32 per bullet in 3 bullet bursts.This means if 1 bullet hits,at 1200 RoF , usually the other 2 hit too. Thats 96 Damage PER burst... AT STD level. With 5% penalty on shields and 10% bonus to armor...Having a good optimal range and better Hip fire capacity,they dont struggle so much vs SCR)

BUT:
I think with AA removal these HIGH DPS wont be dropping people as much.

If a Duvolle fires 30 bullets FULL auto but hits 15, this already increased TTK...
Im not sure you follow.