Removing Aim Assist or even toning it down would greatly help with the RR being extremely proficient in CQC as well as removing the general rifle users that can't aim to save their life.

i used to think the ScR was the OP god mode gun.
then i did the math.
turns out, i was right.
highest DPS gun in the game, beating AV weapons even.
the HMG and ScrP try to come close but still fall behind a fair amout.

To give you an idea, a prof5 3 dmg mods imperial ScR can do a little under 1400 dmg in a second. NOT considering charged alpha dmg.
Count for 2 seconds, in that time its dished out about 2700 dmg.

SCR OHKO's proto assault suit's don't let them fool you ;)

Most SCR users have charged shot's hitting at about 480-520+ damage then you add the headshot. Most brick tanked logi's limp away and are like "WTF.. even a Thales doesn't hit that hard" everyone else either dies and or is lucky.

Its just got a bit to much efficiency everything else is fine. Did they fix the overheat circumvent glitch? *shrugs*


We don't need AA no more.it hurts the game more then it helps.That or limit it to characters under 5-10m SP and it stops working.. it's just being abused and it's not the new players who benefit from it at this point.

the reasons its not overused is because people suck at aiming, the RR & CR are new and fun, and most people don't knows its potential.
Fact is the moment you're accustomed to the ScR you're not going to miss often at all like scrubs do when they try it out. Then theres the fact that everybody armor tanks and is easy to hit, and the few that don't are so squishy they go down in a few shots.

Honestly the overheat just does not matter much once you've learned to aim, and have the damage mods and proficiencies.

And all that SHOWS IN BATTLE, if you've ever seen someone w/ prof5 3dmg mods, chances are they went 30+kills EASILY, and if you fought them they melt you instantly, because the moment you aim down your sights you're either standing still, or moving like a turtle, and the DPS of his gun being almost twice as much as any other AR, shows pretty damn quickly.

You're saying the DPS doesn't matter because you can't reliably apply it- reality is you can- easily.

Proto assault suit's probably not a logi suit just sayin...

Not many logi's are running 500 armor... around 400ish also just sayin... (some high 400's)

One charged shot is doing 500 damage without having to aim at anything special.. just center mass which is easy to do with hip fire+aim assist in CQC even... if your good at aiming your doing 500 dmg + headshot damage... so yeah one shotting even most logi suits.

And we can't really talk about Aiming being relevant in DUST at all anymore.. its kinda lol now.. and it has nothing to do with hit detection.

Most players miss the diversity DUST had when everyone had individual aiming skill, strength's and weakness's... the "gun game" everyone romanticizes about from Chromosome.

Just get rid of that damn Auto-Aim.

Bam all our problems are solved.

But I would start with getting rid of AA, Every shot landing being player skill based is a huge start to people getting over their death.Then gun balancing in general should wait until we get all the racial variants... How about a Hybrid side arm so the Gallente Assault suit's bonus actually makes sense. and so many more....

Everyone wants longer TTK than we currently have.

Buffing all other weapons into line with Rifles doesn't give that.

Nerf all Rifles - a smaller pool of weapons, meaning a smaller pool of changes - into line with the other weapons.

Now, we have balance AND a long enough TTK for people to actually react to events. If you're blindsided, you're still pretty much dead, but it's not as harsh and with quick reactions and nearby cover, you have a chance to turn it around.

Breach Rifle is OP man.


No but seriously. I'm getting used to it and it's pretty nasty both at a range and in CQC. It's rate of fire and damage makes it nice at long range and if you use it properly up close, most players drop within seconds.

ScR is broken because it is better @ CQC then the AR. Don't get me started on the amarr bonus.

RR should be semi auto and require pacing.

<3 CR

AR is meh why bother

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Above is based on PC experience

So you're saying that if they nerf Rifles, there will be more variety in weapons on the battlefield?

And that would, by necessity, result in longer TTK than we typically see now because most of those weapons you listed don't have as short a TTK as Rifles have at present.

How is this not exactly what the game should be aiming for?

You'll noticed that I said to nerf the Rifles INTO LINE WITH other weapons, not nerf them into comparative uselessness. If Rifles aren't significantly more OR less effective than other weapon options, those weapons will become viable again, and people will use them. BUT because Rifles are still an easy pick-up-and-go weapon, they'll still be more popular in general.

If Rifles are nerfed by a VERY small margin - like a 5% damage OR RoF (not both) nerf across the board, then any outlying high-DPS weapons that are significantly out-performing Rifles get their stats cut by a similar amount, that should increase TTK without significantly altering the landscape of weapon use.

If SMGs end up with slightly higher DPS than Rifles, people will STILL use Rifles because they can kill the SMG users from well outside max SMG range. If Scrambler Pistols end up seeming OP, they might get a slight nerf as well. If this nerf makes Shotguns into the next FOTM somehow and everyone goes full CQC, I'll eat my tank.

The problem with Flaylock wasn't really DPS. It's a burst-damage weapon. The problem was massive splash radius and high splash damage, so it was effectively a "noobtube" - you could use it like contact grenades and just aim close to the target for a good chunk of damage.


A good majority of players who have spoken up about the topic want TTK to increase.

The most popular weapons are Rifles.
The only weapons that always maintain a consistent presence on the battlefield are Rifles.
Other weapons are generally balanced around Rifles.

Increase TTK on Rifles, and find balance from there.

MOST weapons currently feel under-powered, in part because the short TTK negates the value of burst damage in most situations. Reducing the near-instakill potential of the most common DPS-based weapons will make burst weapons more viable. Any other weapon that seems to be stepping outside of being balanced would then get a nerf to bring it back into line.

And if you change your fit to bring a damage mod and negate the loss of 5% damage, but you're sacrificing around 15% of your eHP to do it, then go ahead, someone who DOESN'T make the change can keep their SLIGHT damage nerf and get an indirect buff because you've sacrificed more than you gained by changing your fitting. They'll get - against you, personally - about the same TTK as we have now, but you'll die faster. Right now, TTK with non-modded weapons is pretty close to where it should be with damage mods. If you're saying you'll compensate by bringing damage mods, that just means it's working.

I have proto on all rifles and the CR is the most OP in my opinion.