DUST Search - Lets get a few things straight on the "best" dropship pilots.

Serimos Haeraven wrote:

Darken-Sol wrote:

Medic 1879 wrote:

8213 wrote:

Clearly you've never met T8r Raid.

So from past postings you BBW (lol) have the best Logi, tanker, AV guy and now the best DS pilot in the game?

Stand back guy's these wolves are full of puff, the question remains will they blow the house down?

t8r is good. He will fly into hell to pick us up and take us to the next point. He is one of the only pilots I've seen that fit no guns are in order to do his job.

black hole nova is good he can slaughter all match long. He kills me when he sees me and I him. We been buddies since chrome.

ngrunthos is good I have purchased his services and the money was not wasted. He often makes the mistake of killing me. Then he must die in a fire.

Herrick arcos was honestly the best pilot I have seen. He is a tanker now but that's how I met him he had drop points and gunnery commands down. As he was positioning the ship you were getting orders to which turret to use.

the rest are fodder. Never took down names as they were just falling stars.

See, I don't understand why you'd say that last sentence there, "the rest are fodder", yet, there are at least 10+ other veteran proto pilots that I have flown with who do a literally un-remarkable job at flying and yet they go un-listed here. And again, this is why I posted the OP, just because you can think of a few pilots doesn't mean that that's nearly all of them, just the ones you have seen/experienced a few games with. Darken, i suggest you join up in 1st Airborne or Condor Squad and then sq up with some of the pilots there, you may be surprised at the level of skill many of them show.

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Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic 502	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:42:00 - [1] - Quote Recently I've been seeing a few topics pop up on this forum that are rather... subjective. They attempt to measure the skill of dropship pilots by casting votes as to who is the "best" dropship pilot in Dust, however, it's in actuality no where near that easy to make the case that one veteran pilot has more skill than another. Every pilot will attest to this fact: We have our "on" days, and our "off" days. There are moments (that i have witnessed and done) where pilots can go 36/0, even 45/0 given the right situation and being in the right place at the right time. And then there are matches that the same pilots can go 2/1 or even 0/1 because of heavy AV and railgun snipers. Now, they also try to make it more "Reasonable" by saying that if you have 1v1 a certain pilot and won, that instantly makes you better than the other pilot, and again, that simply is not true, because the very next match, the other pilot just might win. I have had friendly DS rivalries that have shifted back and forth between me winning and losing, because we are so evenly matched & skilled, and this is frankly true for all veteran, complex-module DS pilots. You can't simply point to one and say their the best because they have won one fight, or even 10, because most pilots here have been in hundreds of conflicts alone. So, to be frankly honest and blunt here, once you get to the skill level pilots like Eternal, Judge, Nguruthos IX, Sir Snugglz, Skihids, and many more veteran pilots have, there really isn't a "best". Everyone once they have reached the top can all perform at a pretty useful level, believe me I have flown with pretty much every person I listed here (except for Judge which is weird, because i never see him on when i am). And every single time, every dropship pilot usually gets the same amount of KDR (around 10/0 or 12/2, etc) at the end. And now that dogfighting is pretty much null since 1.7, lets face it, there really isn't one best dropship pilot. Judge has a ton of votes because he has the ability to upload nice videos on youtube and also had a spotlight about him, but in all honesty, veteran dropship pilots are pretty much all on the same page. So, are we clear now? If so, quit trying to act like you can vote on which pilot has the most "skill".
Saxbrin Shain Ivory Vanguard 120	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:55:00 - [2] - Quote I'm really confused by this sentiment that the measure of a Dropship Pilot's worth is their KDR GÇö not their ability to Pilot a Dropship. A good Pilot can sit near the bottom of the leader board and still turn the tide of battle by ferrying infantry around the battlefield GÇö not a single kill is necessary. Edit: Unless I'm confused and it's only a comparison of Assault Dropship Pilots. That would make sense, but it doesn't seem to be specified. IMMORTALS; From the Sands to the Stars We fight until we die. Then we fight some more.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 875	Posted - 2013.12.19 16:57:00 - [3] - Quote Leave 'em be. People have always, are always, and will always talk about who is better at whatever sport/game/activity they care about. Its bar chat. Join in or ignore them. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1121	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:00:00 - [4] - Quote Clearly you've never met T8r Raid.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:10:00 - [5] - Quote 8213 wrote: Clearly you've never met T8r Raid. So from past postings you BBW (lol) have the best Logi, tanker, AV guy and now the best DS pilot in the game? Stand back guy's these wolves are full of puff, the question remains will they blow the house down? FW standings - Gal 4, Min 3, Ama 0, Cal 0, hatred of Scotty over 9000
Akdhar Saif Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:14:00 - [6] - Quote The endgame battle report/stats need to be changed. Dust isn't your average shooter, so much relies on strategy and skills other than who can kill the most and die the least. If it displayed stats in order of WP and showed more stats it'll improve team play alot as people won't be gunning for the highest KDR.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 541	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:17:00 - [7] - Quote Well, I know for a fact that I am the best because my mom told me so right before the short bus picked me up for school.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 643	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:18:00 - [8] - Quote Wayward
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 713	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:20:00 - [9] - Quote You cant see how good or bad a pilot is just by looking at their k/d Why? Because a big role of ads is suppresion and scouting Just shooting tanks to mske them retreat or be mobile scanners (incubus) "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1017	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:23:00 - [10] - Quote i agree. these recent threads have been more of a popularity contest. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?

Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic 504	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:51:00 - [11] - Quote Saxbrin Shain wrote: I'm really confused by this sentiment that the measure of a Dropship Pilot's worth is their KDR GÇö not their ability to Pilot a Dropship. A good Pilot can sit near the bottom of the leader board and still turn the tide of battle by ferrying infantry around the battlefield GÇö not a single kill is necessary. Edit: Unless I'm confused and it's only a comparison of Assault Dropship Pilots. That would make sense, but it doesn't seem to be specified. I never said a pilots skill is worth their KDR, but KDR is a great indication in how a dropship pilot manages to survive against AV, and other forces, so basically, if they are doing their passive duty and just suppresing without killing, having 0 deaths should show that they are a good pilot. Believe me, I know that more relies on pilots than their KDR, I was here when all there was were Eryx's and the gallente version of logistics, and i still flew those all of the time even though i literally got no points for doing so.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic 504	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:54:00 - [12] - Quote 8213 wrote: Clearly you've never met T8r Raid. Obviously there's a problem if we've never met him in all of our time as veteran dropship pilots. Although he may be good, i sure as hell have never seen or heard of him and I've been in all the pilot channels you can think of, and have also flown with countless amounts of really good veteran pilots, but I can't seem to recall him being there ever.
CrotchGrab 360 652	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:22:00 - [13] - Quote that's what I thought about tanks. surely it gets to a point where it's down to who has the best tank and who has their reppers on. I know there's a bit more to it but I agree with what you're saying about DS pilots too. Most of them just fly up into the air to avoid swarms etc then come back down, some can do that for the entire match and not a single DS, does that make them good? not really.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2426	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:43:00 - [14] - Quote Serimos vs. Snugglz vs. Judge vs. gbghg vs. NG vs. Card vs. taxirides vs. Numnutz Let's make this happen I Buy Officer Weapons and IA5 Pistols Contact me for arrangements; 200k-500k a pop Lentarr Legionaire
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic 504	Posted - 2013.12.19 19:05:00 - [15] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Serimos vs. Snugglz vs. Judge vs. gbghg vs. NG vs. Card vs. taxirides vs. Numnutz Let's make this happen Lmfao that would be one sight to see.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic 504	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:58:00 - [16] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: that's what I thought about tanks. surely it gets to a point where it's down to who has the best tank and who has their reppers on. I know there's a bit more to it but I agree with what you're saying about DS pilots too. Most of them just fly up into the air to avoid swarms etc then come back down, some can do that for the entire match and not a single DS, does that make them good? not really. Which again is my point, there are so many unrecorded tactics pilots have to take that would make them pretty "good" in anyone's book, but these are never recorded like things such as KDR are, so you pretty much have to team up with pilots and witness them flying to get a grip on how good they are.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 235	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:03:00 - [17] - Quote Always loved having you in our PC matches, Serimos.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic 504	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:17:00 - [18] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Always loved having you in our PC matches, Serimos. Dude I've been looking for people from Top Men for a while but i can't find them because they kicked DSREP a long time ago for inactivity, and so I'm completely isolated from that whole alliance now. However the alliance as a whole doesn't seem active at all either which is pretty ironic. How is Seven holding up?
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 236	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:26:00 - [19] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Always loved having you in our PC matches, Serimos. Dude I've been looking for people from Top Men for a while but i can't find them because they kicked DSREP a long time ago for inactivity, and so I'm completely isolated from that whole alliance now. However the alliance as a whole doesn't seem active at all either which is pretty ironic. How is Seven holding up? I haven't talked to any Top Men since we left. Se\7eN held up for awhile and had very good times, but then most of us left the game because of frustration. It's been months since I played, but I just recently came back to see 1.7. I like it. We're talking about getting Se\7eN active again. If we do, you should consider helping us out. Check out the 7 EC channel; that's where you'll find me. I'll be on tonight.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4251	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:51:00 - [20] - Quote Someone's skill can't always be defined by who they kill and who kills them. There are - even within the same vehicle/suit class - rock-paper-scissors relationships between different builds and playstyles. Gallente Assault Dropship vs. Caldari, both armed with Blasters. Logically, you can expect the Gallente Dropship to win because of the damage bonus vs. shields. If you pretend that makes the pilot of the Gallente Dropship "better" then you'll have fun when they both go up against a Missile armed Dropship, and it kills the "better" one but dies to the one which must therefore have been "worse". EDIT: It's important to note that this is a very much over-simplification of the concept, and there's more to fittings than just your main tank and weapon selection. The point is that you'll frequently find builds and/or playstyles which perform better against other specific setups without necessarily BEING better.

Nyusto Clegli S.e.V.e.N. 46	Posted - 2013.12.24 11:30:00 - [21] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Always loved having you in our PC matches, Serimos. Dude I've been looking for people from Top Men for a while but i can't find them because they kicked DSREP a long time ago for inactivity, and so I'm completely isolated from that whole alliance now. However the alliance as a whole doesn't seem active at all either which is pretty ironic. How is Seven holding up? I haven't talked to any Top Men since we left. Se\7eN held up for awhile and had very good times, but then most of us left the game because of frustration. It's been months since I played, but I just recently came back to see 1.7. I like it. We're talking about getting Se\7eN active again. If we do, you should consider helping us out. Check out the 7 EC channel; that's where you'll find me. I'll be on tonight. good place to squad up besides condor squad with a bunch of our members Serimos :) For riches, for honor, for the brotherhood!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 938	Posted - 2013.12.24 12:16:00 - [22] - Quote THREAD HIGHJACK Who's the better guitarist? Eddie Van Halen or Steve Vai? Go! P.S. It's a rhetorical question. It's Steve Vai. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 479	Posted - 2013.12.24 12:42:00 - [23] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Serimos vs. Snugglz vs. Judge vs. gbghg vs. NG vs. Card vs. taxirides vs. Numnutz Let's make this happen I'm pretty sure most of us would crash into each other before anyone killed anything Do I get gunners? Serimos can easily out gun me, but i fit side guns for gunners and try to give them the best angles so I would probably loose in a 1v1 against him. Same with snugglz. Serimos I couldn't agree more with this post. There are bad pilots good pilots and ace pilots, each being better than the last. I'm sure we could argue all day about who is better, however I think each ace pilot has their own unique way of flying and can say with pride they are the best at their style. I am Pvt Numnutz and I am the grandmaster of the Numnutz style!
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 4218	Posted - 2013.12.24 13:16:00 - [24] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Serimos vs. Snugglz vs. Judge vs. gbghg vs. NG vs. Card vs. taxirides vs. Numnutz Let's make this happen I'm pretty sure most of us would crash into each other before anyone killed anything Do I get gunners? Serimos can easily out gun me, but i fit side guns for gunners and try to give them the best angles so I would probably loose in a 1v1 against him. Same with snugglz. Serimos I couldn't agree more with this post. There are bad pilots good pilots and ace pilots, each being better than the last. I'm sure we could argue all day about who is better, however I think each ace pilot has their own unique way of flying and can say with pride they are the best at their style. I am Pvt Numnutz and I am the grandmaster of the Numnutz style! yeah, i think we would probably just get this giant airborne crash and everyone would just explode in a fireball, and the one guy who managed to avoid it would then claim victory. but seriously, i think we can all agree on the fact that i'm an utterly terrible pilot. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1563	Posted - 2013.12.24 13:18:00 - [25] - Quote In my opinion, the best dropship pilot is the one that can get away from my Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun and LAV. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara The Traitor, in the name of "freedom".
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 43	Posted - 2013.12.24 14:18:00 - [26] - Quote For me, the measure of a good dropship pilot is how much you squad mates will trust you in getting them from point A to point B in one piece. Or getting what needs to be done, done. If I ask Judge to clear out a roof top, he'll do it. If i need Evo to pick us up in a hot zone, he'll do it. Foxbat can trusted to absolutely destroy infantry. I 'm proud of the trust I've earned, and i'm not good at all yet at assault flying. I like the fact that if my squad finds themselves in a empty match they won't hesitate to leap into my ship because i won't let them down. Carrying 6 proto suits in pc match full burners on, when crashing might cost you the match, that's trust. I'm one of the only pilots my CEO will fly with all proto'd out. Its all about dependability. Do you remember all those modded controllers and the tactical duvolles? Do you think those guys went away? snakevenom
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic 524	Posted - 2013.12.24 16:17:00 - [27] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: For me, the measure of a good dropship pilot is how much you squad mates will trust you in getting them from point A to point B in one piece. Or getting what needs to be done, done. If I ask Judge to clear out a roof top, he'll do it. If i need Evo to pick us up in a hot zone, he'll do it. Foxbat can trusted to absolutely destroy infantry. I 'm proud of the trust I've earned, and i'm not good at all yet at assault flying. I like the fact that if my squad finds themselves in a empty match they won't hesitate to leap into my ship because i won't let them down. Carrying 6 proto suits in pc match full burners on, when crashing might cost you the match, that's trust. I'm one of the only pilots my CEO will fly with all proto'd out. Its all about dependability. Yeah i agree 100% on the fact that it's really about how much you benefit your whole team in-game through pinning enemies down, restricting enemy tank access to objectives, taking out spawn uplinks and ammo hives, and many more tasks that often pop up in battle. Basically, if you feel like there's not a whole lot to do when you're flying in a game, you're not doing it right :P
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1030	Posted - 2013.12.24 16:31:00 - [28] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: 8213 wrote: Clearly you've never met T8r Raid. So from past postings you BBW (lol) have the best Logi, tanker, AV guy and now the best DS pilot in the game? Stand back guy's these wolves are full of puff, the question remains will they blow the house down? t8r is good. He will fly into hell to pick us up and take us to the next point. He is one of the only pilots I've seen that fit no guns are in order to do his job. black hole nova is good he can slaughter all match long. He kills me when he sees me and I him. We been buddies since chrome. ngrunthos is good I have purchased his services and the money was not wasted. He often makes the mistake of killing me. Then he must die in a fire. Herrick arcos was honestly the best pilot I have seen. He is a tanker now but that's how I met him he had drop points and gunnery commands down. As he was positioning the ship you were getting orders to which turret to use. the rest are fodder. Never took down names as they were just falling stars. There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic 525	Posted - 2013.12.24 17:02:00 - [29] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: 8213 wrote: Clearly you've never met T8r Raid. So from past postings you BBW (lol) have the best Logi, tanker, AV guy and now the best DS pilot in the game? Stand back guy's these wolves are full of puff, the question remains will they blow the house down? t8r is good. He will fly into hell to pick us up and take us to the next point. He is one of the only pilots I've seen that fit no guns are in order to do his job. black hole nova is good he can slaughter all match long. He kills me when he sees me and I him. We been buddies since chrome. ngrunthos is good I have purchased his services and the money was not wasted. He often makes the mistake of killing me. Then he must die in a fire. Herrick arcos was honestly the best pilot I have seen. He is a tanker now but that's how I met him he had drop points and gunnery commands down. As he was positioning the ship you were getting orders to which turret to use. the rest are fodder. Never took down names as they were just falling stars. See, I don't understand why you'd say that last sentence there, "the rest are fodder", yet, there are at least 10+ other veteran proto pilots that I have flown with who do a literally un-remarkable job at flying and yet they go un-listed here. And again, this is why I posted the OP, just because you can think of a few pilots doesn't mean that that's nearly all of them, just the ones you have seen/experienced a few games with. Darken, i suggest you join up in 1st Airborne or Condor Squad and then sq up with some of the pilots there, you may be surprised at the level of skill many of them show.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 1031	Posted - 2013.12.24 17:09:00 - [30] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: 8213 wrote: Clearly you've never met T8r Raid. So from past postings you BBW (lol) have the best Logi, tanker, AV guy and now the best DS pilot in the game? Stand back guy's these wolves are full of puff, the question remains will they blow the house down? t8r is good. He will fly into hell to pick us up and take us to the next point. He is one of the only pilots I've seen that fit no guns are in order to do his job. black hole nova is good he can slaughter all match long. He kills me when he sees me and I him. We been buddies since chrome. ngrunthos is good I have purchased his services and the money was not wasted. He often makes the mistake of killing me. Then he must die in a fire. Herrick arcos was honestly the best pilot I have seen. He is a tanker now but that's how I met him he had drop points and gunnery commands down. As he was positioning the ship you were getting orders to which turret to use. the rest are fodder. Never took down names as they were just falling stars. See, I don't understand why you'd say that last sentence there, "the rest are fodder", yet, there are at least 10+ other veteran proto pilots that I have flown with who do a literally un-remarkable job at flying and yet they go un-listed here. And again, this is why I posted the OP, just because you can think of a few pilots doesn't mean that that's nearly all of them, just the ones you have seen/experienced a few games with. Darken, i suggest you join up in 1st Airborne or Condor Squad and then sq up with some of the pilots there, you may be surprised at the level of skill many of them show. with no clear way to judge who is the best or what the best means all we have is opinion. I have been heavy AV since chrome. Dropships are fodder. The few pilots I have interacted have outperformed their crappy equipment. The dudes I listed are my personal favorites and have time and time again proved their piloting skills. Nobody else has been noteworthy. Just like tankers, AV guys keep a list. Sadly my tanker list is useless now because tanking is a joke There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.



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