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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Has anyone heard about the Contribution Tab? Maybe it's something they're working on.
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          Kasote Denzara 
          A Vulture
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          From first glance, it looks like it keeps track of donations and money earned (and given to corp) through taxes. That's it. End of the wonders.
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You can find me in Gallente's FW. I smell of freedom. 
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          Azri Sarum 
          BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:Has anyone heard about the  Contribution Tab? Maybe it's something they're working on.  
  No but i like that graph. Hopefully they do something similar for our wallets. Glad to see corp management getting some love though.
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DUST - Azri Sarum 
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Kasote Denzara wrote:From first glance, it looks like it keeps track of donations and money earned (and given to corp) through taxes. That's it. End of the wonders.   It seems to be on an individual basis. It appears that each bar represents a member, judging by the number of bars on the listing of 66 corp members.
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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        Posted - 2013.12.19 09:39:00 -
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          I wonder who leaked it?
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          MySpaceTom 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Azri Sarum wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Has anyone heard about the  Contribution Tab? Maybe it's something they're working on.  No but i like that graph. Hopefully they do something similar for our wallets. Glad to see corp management getting some love though.   Looks like something I'd like to see in EVE as well. It'd do a lot of good for both games if corporation leaders have the tools to better track and recognize their members for the contributions, or lack there of, made.
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          Ferocitan 
          WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:From first glance, it looks like it keeps track of donations and money earned (and given to corp) through taxes. That's it. End of the wonders.  It seems to be on an individual basis. It appears that each bar represents a member, judging by the number of bars on the listing of 66 corp members.    Did you count 66 bars or 30 for days in the month. Wouldny be smart to have 2000 members in that view. | 
      
      
      
          
          bear90211 
          Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:Has anyone heard about the  Contribution Tab? Maybe it's something they're working on.   I see that revo 7 is in you corp, how has this picture been taken? are you a dev under cover as well with revo?
 Heavies are still squishy to my AR, just 5 rounds into them extra ;D 
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Ferocitan wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:From first glance, it looks like it keeps track of donations and money earned (and given to corp) through taxes. That's it. End of the wonders.  It seems to be on an individual basis. It appears that each bar represents a member, judging by the number of bars on the listing of 66 corp members.   Did you count 66 bars or 30 for days in the month. Wouldny be smart to have 2000 members in that view.   It's 66 alright. I wonder if when it gets to a certain point you are offered a zoom toggle. If not that makes this a difficult chart to use for somebody like Dust University. If each member does represent a bar, I wonder what the latency is going to be on switching between them.
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          bear90211 
          Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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          You a sly little bastard I see, now why are you trolling us?
 Heavies are still squishy to my AR, just 5 rounds into them extra ;D 
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          Aero Yassavi 
          Scions of Athra
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          Wait, this is a legitimate leak? I was 100% this was going to be troll. Or is it trolling? Too tired to tell.
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          Rasatsu 
          Much Crying Old Experts
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          Ferocitan wrote:Did you count 66 bars or 30 for days in the month. Wouldny be smart to have 2000 members in that view.   Well that's why one would generate the dataset with the lowest contributors not included. | 
      
      
      
          
          Zero Notion 
          Wraith Company
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          I think Jadek or someone in their corp designed this and it's not something that's been 'leaked'. Just a way to draw attention to their idea with a sensational, misleading title. | 
      
      
      
          
          Azri Sarum 
          BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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          So the listed player, Revo-7 (in the top left corner) is the highlighted bar. The battle taxes, donations, and withdrawals are all for that player. Neat
 
 EVE - Victor Maximus 
DUST - Azri Sarum 
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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           We have a winner!
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          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf 
          Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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          Not the most exciting leak, but its something.
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          Zero Notion 
          Wraith Company
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  It's a good idea, regardless. I dig it. | 
      
      
      
          
          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Zero Notion wrote:It's a good idea, regardless. I dig it.   I've been pressing this topic for over a month, getting very little traction with DEVs and CPM. I thought I'd try another approach.
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          Aero Yassavi wrote:Wait, this is a legitimate leak? I was 100% this was going to be troll. Or is it trolling? Too tired to tell.   Appears Jadek pulled a high grade troll. I'm actually quite disappointed now. This looks like something I really want to see in the game.
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          Zero Notion 
          Wraith Company
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 Quote:I've been pressing this topic for over a month, getting very little traction with DEVs and CPM. I thought I'd try another approach.   
  My advice? Present it to them in an e-mail, both CPM and the developer who would be responsible for implementation to the UI. You've got a pretty solid graphic for it. Throw in some information as how you would see this applied to Dust, how the graph works, what graphics are representing what. Create a few more graphical concepts. Basically, you're making a portfolio for the idea. Imagine it's a project for your boss, aim for that level of quality. I can see that you're proud of the idea and it is a cool one, so I think you'll gain more traction if you present it as a whole concept. | 
      
      
      
          
          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf 
          Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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          I wonder who would leak this. Seems like too boring a thing for a CPM to lose their job over, so guessing CCP intentionally "leaked" it.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Zero Notion wrote:Quote:I've been pressing this topic for over a month, getting very little traction with DEVs and CPM. I thought I'd try another approach.   My advice? Present it to them in an e-mail, both CPM and the developer who would be responsible for implementation to the UI. You've got a pretty solid graphic for it. Throw in some information as how you would see this applied to Dust, how the graph works, what graphics are representing what. Create a few more graphical concepts. Basically, you're making a portfolio for the idea. Imagine it's a project for your boss, aim for that level of quality. I can see that you're proud of the idea and it is a cool one, so I think you'll gain more traction if you present it as a whole concept.    Thank you for the solid advice. I'll work on synthesizing the ideas from my existing suggestion topic in the feedback section. I have some nifty ideas for how the bar moves when you tap the L2 and R2 bumpers. Alas, I'll include it all in a write-up.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I wonder who would leak this. Seems like too boring a thing for a CPM to lose their job over, so guessing CCP intentionally "leaked" it.    Or someone with photoshop and design knowledge is looking to get a little attention.  
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Azri Sarum wrote:So the listed player, Revo-7 (in the top left corner) is the highlighted bar. The battle taxes, donations, and withdrawals are all for that player. Neat
    Yes, taping the L2 and R2 bumpers while selection of either (time set: day, week, month or lifetime) or (time unit: # value) is highlighted will slide the blue members bar either left or right in a nice swoosh motion that accordingly adjusts all data sets around it.
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          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf 
          Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I wonder who would leak this. Seems like too boring a thing for a CPM to lose their job over, so guessing CCP intentionally "leaked" it.   Or someone with photoshop and design knowledge is looking to get a little attention.     Oh, I see. I came in this thread expecting some sort of humor or trolling, but the quality of the image convinced me it was legit; very good job, you should add this to the feedback/request section. I suppose I should have seen that coming considering a CPM already told me on Skype that CCP still has no idea what will be on 1.8.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Oh, I see. I came in this thread expecting some sort of humor or trolling, but the quality of the image convinced me it was legit; very good job, you should add this to the feedback/request section. I suppose I should have seen that coming considering a CPM already told me on Skype that CCP still has no idea what will be on 1.8.   Thank you. I'm going to work on refining the ideas currently found in this thread on the topic. 
  [Photo Example] Player Contribution Statistic Tied to Wallet
  It's a feature I am strongly interested in as it would add a tremendous level of value to the game, albeit subtle.
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          Wilhelm Klingspor 
          DUST University Ivy League
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          Nicely done, and a good way to illustrate a concept, if it wasnGÇÖt for the difference in fonts ( the i an the 0 ) you wouldGÇÖve had me.
 
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          Lorhak Gannarsein 
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I wonder who would leak this. Seems like too boring a thing for a CPM to lose their job over, so guessing CCP intentionally "leaked" it.   Or someone with photoshop and design knowledge is looking to get a little attention.    
  One of my favourite trolls to date - congratulations.
  The lack of malice was probably what did it.
  On topic, though I'm no CEO, I imagine something like this would come in incredibly handy.
  Would it have any utility for the rank-and-file?
 >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown. 
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          The Robot Devil 
          Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
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          Just because there is no news or dev comment doesn't mean that they didn't notice or aren't coding it right now. I understand that one person doing it seems fast but that isn't coding it into the game. One thing that CCP could do that would help is to create a reasonable things list like in EVE. I think it worked well and it gave a more focused way for the community and CCP to interact. 
  I think that it is a great idea and a tool that some corps would use but we need to stay focused on things that bring content in and make the experience better. We need three more things before we start adding shinny stuff to the corp menus, we need more gear, more maps and a player trading/market for us to get lost in.
 
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          BMSTUBBY 
          KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:Zero Notion wrote:It's a good idea, regardless. I dig it.  I've been pressing this topic for over a month, getting very little traction with DEVs and CPM. I thought I'd try another approach.   
  I would prefer efforts be spent else where first such as team deploy TBH. However meh nice idea for maybe the 5 year road map table.
 Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 
Working as intended. 
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          Karl Koekwaus 
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          It's a good troll, but with a functioning API, this is pretty much possible to do already. In EVE our corp spreadsheet honcho makes stuff like this up every month using the API. (not really like this, but lists with tax income per person, moon income, reaction income etc.)
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Karl Koekwaus wrote:It's a good troll, but with a functioning API, this is pretty much possible to do already. In EVE our corp spreadsheet honcho makes stuff like this up every month using the API. (not really like this, but lists with tax income per person, moon income, reaction income etc.)   Well no kidding. If we could set up the right endpoints in CREST and have a API key management system for this data, this might be able to get off the ground relatively quickly.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          The Robot Devil wrote:Just because there is no news or dev comment doesn't mean that they didn't notice or aren't coding it right now. I understand that one person doing it seems fast but that isn't coding it into the game. One thing that CCP could do that would help is to create a reasonable things list like in EVE. I think it worked well and it gave a more focused way for the community and CCP to interact. 
  I think that it is a great idea and a tool that some corps would use but we need to stay focused on things that bring content in and make the experience better. We need three more things before we start adding shinny stuff to the corp menus, we need more gear, more maps and a player trading/market for us to get lost in.
    I agree that players, and myself, are incredibly hungry for the three course 'meaty' content types. There's still a powerful aspect to player retention that having a straightforward way to view one's contribution to the game would make all the difference. I am suggesting that all members have viewing access to records of each other corp member's Net Donations and Battle Taxes. Withdrawals would be reserved information to Accountants. I imagine it could also give some players a reason to keep grinding past their cap, or be more savvy in selling items to procure greater donation funds to bolster their position on the corp's MVP 'leader-board,' so to speak. To reiterate a point brought up on this topic: If you can visibly see that your actions matter and affect someone, or something, your going to develop a much longer term bond with a product and the community surrounding it.
  Another good point was brought up. 
 
 NDA Approved wrote:A stats tracking system could also make corporate takeovers and thefts that much more painful to bear because a player has a greater sense of exactly how much of their time and energy they poured into a organization.  Oh my, the tears and QQ would be that much sweeter    
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:Nicely done, and a good way to illustrate a concept, if it wasnGÇÖt for the difference in fonts ( the i an the 0 ) you wouldGÇÖve had me.
    I was considering taking the time to hash out all the nuances of the custom text, yet for time and presentation of concept it felt close enough. I'm glad you are a discerning eye.  
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          Rynoceros 
          Rise Of Old Dudes
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          Excellent trollage.
  There were some planned changes to Corp UI coming in 1.8, but probably nothing this useful.
 Alyssa Milano. 
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          MySpaceTom 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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           It honestly feels like your low-balling those figures. The CEO of a corporation that size (is WarRavens even that big) would withdraw far more than you have listed for PC battles alone. I wonder who the biggest contributor in that bunch is? Ian thebarbarian?
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          MySpaceTom wrote:It honestly feels like your low-balling those figures. The CEO of a corporation that size (is WarRavens even that big) would withdraw far more than you have listed for PC battles alone. I wonder who the biggest contributor in that bunch is? Ian thebarbarian?   Probably.  
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          Djinn b4lock 
          Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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          ^ ^ You troll with goodwill and admiration for fellow Dusters? My heart, it feels....like it's growing a few sizes bigger. I approve of this forum service.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          WarRavens helped me get my start in Dust. They are an amazing group of individuals!
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          Roy Ventus 
          Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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          NDA Approved wrote:I wonder who leaked it?  
  Your name is so relevant that I'm sure udunit.
 "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." 
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          Roy Ventus wrote:NDA Approved wrote:I wonder who leaked it?  Your name is so relevant that I'm sure udunit.   Who? Me? I would never betray a legal agreement. That would nullify the longevity of my namesake!
 Imma in ur base, browsin' docs on docs. Trust me, I have clearance. 
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          Seems Good 
          Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          Seems Good wrote:The question is, can we trust her?    Yes, my name is Harvi-jo Dent. I am the dame this city deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          The mega file has been uncovered!
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          Wilhelm Klingspor 
          DUST University Ivy League
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  Again, very nicely done, out of curiosity what happens when a corp has 66+ members, do you slide to the next window, or did i miss something? I think it' would make a fine addition, would make for some nice employee of the month stuff.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:Again, very nicely done, out of curiosity what happens when a corp has 66+ members, do you slide to the next window, or did i miss something? I think it' would make a fine addition, would make for some nice employee of the month stuff.   The zoom feature comes into play once you exceed +100 members, or it could be based on a ratio of the graph size, which I think I like better. So at 100 players the tool lights turn on and allow you to fully zoom into see 25 members by pushing X, and triangle would zoom out.
  I really like your employee of the month idea. Tools like this make that kind of recognition much more easier to manage.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          ^ ^ Here's the product of the feedback from above. It features the lovable Ancient Exiles. I'm not sure how well of an estimation this is of Djinn Marauder and Zaria Min Deir's data. Don't hold me to anything. 
  [Corporate Competition via Contribution Tab]
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Should I take off the cross-hair on the selected comparison character? Is there a better icon or tool to place in that spot?
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:^ ^ Here's the product of the feedback from above. It features the lovable Ancient Exiles. I'm not sure how well of an estimation this is of Djinn Marauder and Zaria Min Deir's data. Don't hold me to anything.  [Corporate Competition via Contribution Tab] 
  I take it you don't know about the employment history tool. 
  DJINN Marauder
  Ancient Exiles. 2013-11-12 03:52 - Now (0y 39d) Paladin Survey Force 2013-11-12 02:24 - 2013-11-12 03:52 (0y 0d) Ancient Exiles 2013-07-31 23:00 - 2013-11-12 02:24 (0y 104d) Shining Flame 2013-07-31 22:37 - 2013-07-31 23:00 (0y 0d) Hellstorm Inc 2013-06-27 07:10 - 2013-07-31 22:37 (0y 34d) Amarr Templars 2013-06-27 03:39 - 2013-06-27 07:10 (0y 0d) Hellstorm Inc 2013-06-19 13:14 - 2013-06-27 03:39 (0y 8d) Purgatorium of the Damned 2013-05-20 01:34 - 2013-06-19 13:14 (0y 30d) Hellstorm Inc 2013-05-19 23:54 - 2013-05-20 01:34 (0y 1d) Kameira Lodge 2013-05-19 22:55 - 2013-05-19 23:54 (0y 0d) Hellstorm Inc 2013-01-11 00:58 - 2013-05-19 22:55 (0y 128d) Royal Uhlans 2013-01-10 08:06 - 2013-01-11 00:58 (0y 1d)
  Zaria Min Deir
  Ancient Exiles. 2013-11-12 00:53 - Now (0y 39d) Villore Sec Ops 2013-11-12 00:52 - 2013-11-12 00:53 (0y 0d) Ancient Exiles 2013-08-01 17:29 - 2013-11-12 00:52 (0y 103d) Crux Special Tasks Group 013-07-24 12:44 - 2013-08-01 17:29 (0y 8d) Seraphim Initiative. 2013-04-02 16:46 - 2013-07-24 12:44 (0y 113d) SyNergy Gaming 2013-03-19 00:17 - 2013-04-02 16:46 (0y 14d) RestlessSpirits 2013-01-18 11:00 - 2013-03-19 00:17 (0y 60d) A.C.M.E Corp 2013-01-10 18:54 - 2013-01-18 11:00 (0y 8d) Algintal Core 2013-01-10 08:01 - 2013-01-10 18:54 (0y 0d)
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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            It even tracks the number of days a player stayed with a corp. Wow. +1 It's quite understandable but interesting to see Djinn Marauder's specific work history with Hellstorm Inc.
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:Should I take off the cross-hair on the selected comparison character? Is there a better icon or tool to place in that spot?    I think the icon is fine. The only other thing you really need to make this complete is a way to tell where you are in the larger graph after zooming in several magnifications. I see there is a nice bit of space at the bottom of your graph.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          NDA Approved wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Should I take off the cross-hair on the selected comparison character? Is there a better icon or tool to place in that spot?   I think the icon is fine. The only other thing you really need to make this complete is a way to tell where you are in the larger graph after zooming in several magnifications. I see there is a nice bit of space at the bottom of your graph.    Awesome suggestion! I'll work on adding that in.
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          Just out of curiosity, OP, what is your intention for CCP using this mechanic? I feel you gave up a bulk of your IP rights posting this to their forums and using CCP photo assets. You've basically done a lot of free leg work for a massive mechanic that is useful in both games. Where you doing this for money? Recognition? Or just an altruistic act for the community?
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          It would be the latter. I enjoy this game and what to see it succeed with mechanics that really cultivate player retention. Essentially, I am publicly saying that I irrevocably hand over rights to use of this Contribution Tab mechanic as is to CCP games. 
  I have many more ideas. Well see how those go.
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:I have many more ideas. Well see how those go.    Said every other inventor lost to musings of history. Jadek, either you're very young or live a very poor and humble life. More power to you. 
 
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          NDA Approved wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:I have many more ideas. Well see how those go.   Said every other inventor lost to musings of history. Jadek, either you're very young or live a very poor and humble life. More power to you.    Would you say the same thing of Iron Wolf Saber?
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          NDA Approved 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          And what does he do again?
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          NDA Approved wrote:And what does he do again?   
 Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Of course, lately though CPM has little action that required game play, I would discuss but NDA and all. Right now the CPM had to do a quick round of security tightening after a couple attempts to get info.   IRL I run million dollar projects in the legal industry as a senior project manager with up to 40 staff. Meetings, NDAs, timelines, budgets, P and L ... I can do more then fire a charged shot from my templar scrambler rifle.  I used to maintain multiples of multi-million dollar objects in peak working condition under great duress with a staff of four because that was the number deemed necessary for our needs though at times I'd been wishing it been double. Quality maintained has to be top notch because the price of anything else is going to get someone killed. I already picked up one mess already because of such mistake made by another person.  Diplomacy is required between my department and other departments, customers, those in charge of my department, and logistics when it comes to arranging resource allocation. Participated in developing a process that will have estimated savings for the US government into the millions. Breach of my Top Secret Security Clearance would surmount to that of treason; punishable by death.  Knowing when to tell the customer to respectfully F off is a highly critical skill in correcting product usage behaviors. I can do more than do stupid things in a shooter. :P Aside from that if you want to go at it be my guest, if you want some thought exercises on the possible stuff you'd might deal with as a CPM feel free to ask I'll be happy to provide some scenarios.  
 
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          Spectre-M 
          The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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          NDA Approved wrote:I wonder who leaked it?  
  Someone smart enough to create buzz, instead of being so secretive.
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          Spectre-M wrote:NDA Approved wrote:I wonder who leaked it?  Someone smart enough to create buzz, instead of being so secretive.    Do you mean Jadek? This wasn't designed by a Dev at CCP. He's the clever one I guess, trying to drum up views and input on a suggested feature.
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          MySpaceTom 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          NDA Approved wrote:Spectre-M wrote:NDA Approved wrote:I wonder who leaked it?  Someone smart enough to create buzz, instead of being so secretive.   Do you mean Jadek? This wasn't designed by a Dev at CCP. He's the clever one I guess, trying to drum up views and input on a suggested feature with a sensational title.   ...and it seems to be working  
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Alrighty, per suggestion, here is an update to the corporation tab that includes relative zoom location data. Please let me know if the light bloom is too strong. I can tone that down. 
  [Corporation Tab Update]
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          Borne Velvalor 
          Endless Hatred
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          If this recorded donations from players outside the corp, someone could easily open a bank or raffle service.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Borne Velvalor wrote:If this recorded donations from players outside the corp, someone could easily open a bank or raffle service.   That could be as straightforward as making the GÿÉ button bring up a filter menu that allows accountants to see donations from 1. only in-corp members, 2. in-corp and outside benefactors, and 3. only outside benefactors.  This is getting into complicated territory, but I have some ideas that may fit into a recurring subscription and dividend payment system. Back to the drawing board.
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          NDA Approved 
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:Alrighty, per suggestion, here is an update to the corporation tab that includes relative zoom location data. Please let me know if the light bloom is too strong. I can tone that down.  [Corporation Tab Update]  That's the idea.   Maybe it's just personal preference, but the rounded edges don't quite work with the surrounding structures. Everything else in the image uses straight edges. Try experimenting with a different look.
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          Benjamin Ciscko 
          The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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          So what is the whole idea is it to keep track of who has donated how much and if you donate "x" amount make them tax exempt for "y" amount of time I couldn't be bothered to look at it for more than ten seconds.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Benjamin Ciscko wrote:So what is the whole idea is it to keep track of who has donated how much and if you donate "x" amount make them tax exempt for "y" amount of time I couldn't be bothered to look at it for more than ten seconds.   There's no exemption function as far as I can see. The feature lets you track and compare player activity by the taxes collected from their matches and any donations they make. It gives CEOs and directors an easier ability to understand and recognize who is and isn't valuable to the corporation. It also give accountants the ability to track withdraws over time and any donations made by players from outside the corporation. This opens up the ability to manage banks and dividend dispersion to primary stakeholders.
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          Benjamin Ciscko 
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:So what is the whole idea is it to keep track of who has donated how much and if you donate "x" amount make them tax exempt for "y" amount of time I couldn't be bothered to look at it for more than ten seconds.  There's no exemption function as far as I can see. The feature lets you track and compare player activity by the taxes collected from their matches and any donations they make. It gives CEOs and directors an easier ability to understand and recognize who is and isn't valuable to the corporation. It also give accountants the ability to track withdraws over time and any donations made by players from outside the corporation. This opens up the ability to manage banks and dividend dispersion to primary stakeholders.    "as far as I can see" lol you made it. I only thought that because it said Taxes N/A so I assumed that player would not be required to pay taxes for some reason (Donations being below it lead me to my conclusion). It would be great to see who is being value to the corp and who is not, it also helps you see who is active since I believed it was a day to day thing you can see how much ISK they netted the corp over a week, since it takes about 40 decent games to cap and a decent game is about 200k at a 10% tax rate they would net the corp about 800K a week if they capped neat way of monitoring people. 
  P.S. Props on the Photo Shop.
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          Sigberct Amni 
          Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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          While this information is useful, it could be better handled with a simple API that players could export into a tool of some sort. It doesn't need an ingame representation at all.
  What we DO need an ingame representation of is ISK killed vrs. ISK spent in matches. Not on the afterbattle screen, as that's already crowded enough, but on your character sheet and in the leaderboards. ISK lost to ISK killed ratios, AUR killed, etc. | 
      
      
      
          
          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:So what is the whole idea is it to keep track of who has donated how much and if you donate "x" amount make them tax exempt for "y" amount of time I couldn't be bothered to look at it for more than ten seconds.  There's no exemption function as far as I can see. The feature lets you track and compare player activity by the taxes collected from their matches and any donations they make. It gives CEOs and directors an easier ability to understand and recognize who is and isn't valuable to the corporation. It also give accountants the ability to track withdraws over time and any donations made by players from outside the corporation. This opens up the ability to manage banks and dividend dispersion to primary stakeholders.   "as far as I can see" lol you made it. I only thought that because it said Taxes N/A so I assumed that player would not be required to pay taxes for some reason (Donations being below it lead me to my conclusion). It would be great to see who is being value to the corp and who is not, it also helps you see who is active since I believed it was a day to day thing you can see how much ISK they netted the corp over a week, since it takes about 40 decent games to cap and a decent game is about 200k at a 10% tax rate they would net the corp about 800K a week if they capped neat way of monitoring people.  P.S. Props on the Photo Shop.   Thanks. Yeah, I still like to play up the light facade I've concocted for new people to thread that haven't caught on. The deal with the Battle Taxes field showing a non-value in that last picture is because I used Ancient Exiles. for that example which doesn't set a tax rate for their players, so no taxes are collected from battles. I can't speak for their internal management on player donations, so I just assumed that player do donate. 
  The L2 and R2 buttons change time selection from day, week, month, and lifetime. The number value for each of these categories can also be toggled with L2 / R2. This give corp management and players powerful tools to monitor each other and themselves. Besides withdrawal information and donations from outside benefactors, in-corp players will be able to see each other's battle taxes and net donations to the corp. This give players an incentive to bolster their contribution standings on the corporate 'leader board' in order claim the title of employee(s) of the month.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Sigberct Amni wrote:While this information is useful, it could be better handled with a simple API that players could export into a tool of some sort. It doesn't need an ingame representation at all.
  What we DO need an ingame representation of is ISK killed vrs. ISK spent in matches. Not on the afterbattle screen, as that's already crowded enough, but on your character sheet and in the leaderboards. ISK lost to ISK killed ratios, AUR killed, etc.   So we just need to keep bugging CCP FoxFour on opening up an API login management system to access this private corp data somewhere in CREST.
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          Jadu Wen 
          Xer Deadspace
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          ^ ^ Seems like your PSN login would be fine. That should be tied to your in-game character which is tied to a specific corp, thus granting you specific corp viewing privileges.
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          Jadek Menaheim 
          Xer Cloud Consortium
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          Sigberct Amni wrote:What we DO need an ingame representation of is ISK killed vrs. ISK spent in matches. Not on the afterbattle screen, as that's already crowded enough, but on your character sheet and in the leaderboards. ISK lost to ISK killed ratios, AUR killed, etc.  
  Yes. +1 As for ISK and AUR killed, I'm curious how equipment would play into that bigger picture. Sure you can destroy those items, but if you don't kill the carrier, you have effectively "killed' the ISK or AUR source for that item. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see how people pad those scores for the leader boards. 
 
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          Sigberct Amni 
          Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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          Jadek Menaheim wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:What we DO need an ingame representation of is ISK killed vrs. ISK spent in matches. Not on the afterbattle screen, as that's already crowded enough, but on your character sheet and in the leaderboards. ISK lost to ISK killed ratios, AUR killed, etc.  Yes. +1 As for ISK and AUR killed, I'm curious how equipment would play into that bigger picture. Sure you can destroy those items, but if you don't kill the carrier, you have effectively "killed' the ISK or AUR source for that item. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see how people pad those scores for the leader boards.    If the corpse gets picked up, it shouldn't count as isk destroyed. And after that, if people pad the stat... well it's an isk sink. So wins all around! | 
      
      
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