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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Of course, lately though CPM has little action that required game play, I would discuss but NDA and all. Right now the CPM had to do a quick round of security tightening after a couple attempts to get info.

IRL I run million dollar projects in the legal industry as a senior project manager with up to 40 staff. Meetings, NDAs, timelines, budgets, P and L ... I can do more then fire a charged shot from my templar scrambler rifle.

I used to maintain multiples of multi-million dollar objects in peak working condition under great duress with a staff of four because that was the number deemed necessary for our needs though at times I'd been wishing it been double. Quality maintained has to be top notch because the price of anything else is going to get someone killed. I already picked up one mess already because of such mistake made by another person.

Diplomacy is required between my department and other departments, customers, those in charge of my department, and logistics when it comes to arranging resource allocation. Participated in developing a process that will have estimated savings for the US government into the millions.

Breach of my Top Secret Security Clearance would surmount to that of treason; punishable by death.

Knowing when to tell the customer to respectfully F off is a highly critical skill in correcting product usage behaviors.

I can do more than do stupid things in a shooter. :P

Aside from that if you want to go at it be my guest, if you want some thought exercises on the possible stuff you'd might deal with as a CPM feel free to ask I'll be happy to provide some scenarios.

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Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 715	Posted - 2013.12.19 09:21:00 - [1] - Quote Has anyone heard about the Contribution Tab? Maybe it's something they're working on. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 715	Posted - 2013.12.19 09:28:00 - [2] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: From first glance, it looks like it keeps track of donations and money earned (and given to corp) through taxes. That's it. End of the wonders. It seems to be on an individual basis. It appears that each bar represents a member, judging by the number of bars on the listing of 66 corp members. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 718	Posted - 2013.12.19 09:54:00 - [3] - Quote Ferocitan wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: From first glance, it looks like it keeps track of donations and money earned (and given to corp) through taxes. That's it. End of the wonders. It seems to be on an individual basis. It appears that each bar represents a member, judging by the number of bars on the listing of 66 corp members. Did you count 66 bars or 30 for days in the month. Wouldny be smart to have 2000 members in that view. It's 66 alright. I wonder if when it gets to a certain point you are offered a zoom toggle. If not that makes this a difficult chart to use for somebody like Dust University. If each member does represent a bar, I wonder what the latency is going to be on switching between them. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 719	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:00:00 - [4] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: I think Jadek or someone in their corp designed this and it's not something that's been 'leaked'. Just a way to draw attention to their idea with a sensational, misleading title. Edit: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1631372#post1631372 We have a winner! [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 719	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:04:00 - [5] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Zero Notion wrote: I think Jadek or someone in their corp designed this and it's not something that's been 'leaked'. Just a way to draw attention to their idea with a sensational, misleading title. Edit: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1631372#post1631372 We have a winner! It's a good idea, regardless. I dig it. I've been pressing this topic for over a month, getting very little traction with DEVs and CPM. I thought I'd try another approach. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 721	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:22:00 - [6] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Quote: I've been pressing this topic for over a month, getting very little traction with DEVs and CPM. I thought I'd try another approach. My advice? Present it to them in an e-mail, both CPM and the developer who would be responsible for implementation to the UI. You've got a pretty solid graphic for it. Throw in some information as how you would see this applied to Dust, how the graph works, what graphics are representing what. Create a few more graphical concepts. Basically, you're making a portfolio for the idea. Imagine it's a project for your boss, aim for that level of quality. I can see that you're proud of the idea and it is a cool one, so I think you'll gain more traction if you present it as a whole concept. Thank you for the solid advice. I'll work on synthesizing the ideas from my existing suggestion topic in the feedback section. I have some nifty ideas for how the bar moves when you tap the L2 and R2 bumpers. Alas, I'll include it all in a write-up. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 721	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:23:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I wonder who would leak this. Seems like too boring a thing for a CPM to lose their job over, so guessing CCP intentionally "leaked" it. Or someone with photoshop and design knowledge is looking to get a little attention. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 722	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:30:00 - [8] - Quote Azri Sarum wrote: So the listed player, Revo-7 (in the top left corner) is the highlighted bar. The battle taxes, donations, and withdrawals are all for that player. Neat Yes, taping the L2 and R2 bumpers while selection of either (time set: day, week, month or lifetime) or (time unit: # value) is highlighted will slide the blue members bar either left or right in a nice swoosh motion that accordingly adjusts all data sets around it. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 722	Posted - 2013.12.19 10:40:00 - [9] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Oh, I see. I came in this thread expecting some sort of humor or trolling, but the quality of the image convinced me it was legit; very good job, you should add this to the feedback/request section. I suppose I should have seen that coming considering a CPM already told me on Skype that CCP still has no idea what will be on 1.8. Thank you. I'm going to work on refining the ideas currently found in this thread on the topic. [Photo Example] Player Contribution Statistic Tied to Wallet It's a feature I am strongly interested in as it would add a tremendous level of value to the game, albeit subtle. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 724	Posted - 2013.12.19 14:25:00 - [10] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: It's a good troll, but with a functioning API, this is pretty much possible to do already. In EVE our corp spreadsheet honcho makes stuff like this up every month using the API. (not really like this, but lists with tax income per person, moon income, reaction income etc.) Well no kidding. If we could set up the right endpoints in CREST and have a API key management system for this data, this might be able to get off the ground relatively quickly. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 726	Posted - 2013.12.19 14:48:00 - [11] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Just because there is no news or dev comment doesn't mean that they didn't notice or aren't coding it right now. I understand that one person doing it seems fast but that isn't coding it into the game. One thing that CCP could do that would help is to create a reasonable things list like in EVE. I think it worked well and it gave a more focused way for the community and CCP to interact. I think that it is a great idea and a tool that some corps would use but we need to stay focused on things that bring content in and make the experience better. We need three more things before we start adding shinny stuff to the corp menus, we need more gear, more maps and a player trading/market for us to get lost in. I agree that players, and myself, are incredibly hungry for the three course 'meaty' content types. There's still a powerful aspect to player retention that having a straightforward way to view one's contribution to the game would make all the difference. I am suggesting that all members have viewing access to records of each other corp member's Net Donations and Battle Taxes. Withdrawals would be reserved information to Accountants. I imagine it could also give some players a reason to keep grinding past their cap, or be more savvy in selling items to procure greater donation funds to bolster their position on the corp's MVP 'leader-board,' so to speak. To reiterate a point brought up on this topic: If you can visibly see that your actions matter and affect someone, or something, your going to develop a much longer term bond with a product and the community surrounding it. Another good point was brought up. NDA Approved wrote: A stats tracking system could also make corporate takeovers and thefts that much more painful to bear because a player has a greater sense of exactly how much of their time and energy they poured into a organization. Oh my, the tears and QQ would be that much sweeter [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 726	Posted - 2013.12.19 14:51:00 - [12] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: Nicely done, and a good way to illustrate a concept, if it wasnGÇÖt for the difference in fonts ( the i an the 0 ) you wouldGÇÖve had me. I was considering taking the time to hash out all the nuances of the custom text, yet for time and presentation of concept it felt close enough. I'm glad you are a discerning eye. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 729	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:02:00 - [13] - Quote MySpaceTom wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Has anyone heard about the Contribution Tab? Maybe it's something they're working on. Update: I found another Info-graphic! This is one appears to be tied to WarRavens. I wonder what the story is there. [Contribution Tab for Large Corp] It honestly feels like your low-balling those figures. The CEO of a corporation that size (is WarRavens even that big) would withdraw far more than you have listed for PC battles alone. I wonder who the biggest contributor in that bunch is? Ian thebarbarian? Probably. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 729	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:10:00 - [14] - Quote WarRavens helped me get my start in Dust. They are an amazing group of individuals! [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 750	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:07:00 - [15] - Quote The mega file has been uncovered! [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 750	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:24:00 - [16] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: The mega file has been uncovered! Again, very nicely done, out of curiosity what happens when a corp has 66+ members, do you slide to the next window, or did i miss something? I think it' would make a fine addition, would make for some nice employee of the month stuff. The zoom feature comes into play once you exceed +100 members, or it could be based on a ratio of the graph size, which I think I like better. So at 100 players the tool lights turn on and allow you to fully zoom into see 25 members by pushing X, and triangle would zoom out. I really like your employee of the month idea. Tools like this make that kind of recognition much more easier to manage. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 752	Posted - 2013.12.21 06:55:00 - [17] - Quote ^ ^ Here's the product of the feedback from above. It features the lovable Ancient Exiles. I'm not sure how well of an estimation this is of Djinn Marauder and Zaria Min Deir's data. Don't hold me to anything. [Corporate Competition via Contribution Tab] [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 753	Posted - 2013.12.21 09:28:00 - [18] - Quote Should I take off the cross-hair on the selected comparison character? Is there a better icon or tool to place in that spot? [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 755	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:38:00 - [19] - Quote It even tracks the number of days a player stayed with a corp. Wow. +1 It's quite understandable but interesting to see Djinn Marauder's specific work history with Hellstorm Inc. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 762	Posted - 2013.12.21 17:48:00 - [20] - Quote NDA Approved wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Should I take off the cross-hair on the selected comparison character? Is there a better icon or tool to place in that spot? I think the icon is fine. The only other thing you really need to make this complete is a way to tell where you are in the larger graph after zooming in several magnifications. I see there is a nice bit of space at the bottom of your graph. Awesome suggestion! I'll work on adding that in. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 763	Posted - 2013.12.21 18:12:00 - [21] - Quote It would be the latter. I enjoy this game and what to see it succeed with mechanics that really cultivate player retention. Essentially, I am publicly saying that I irrevocably hand over rights to use of this Contribution Tab mechanic as is to CCP games. I have many more ideas. Well see how those go. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 764	Posted - 2013.12.21 18:19:00 - [22] - Quote NDA Approved wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: I have many more ideas. Well see how those go. Said every other inventor lost to musings of history. Jadek, either you're very young or live a very poor and humble life. More power to you. Would you say the same thing of Iron Wolf Saber? [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 764	Posted - 2013.12.21 18:25:00 - [23] - Quote NDA Approved wrote: And what does he do again? Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Of course, lately though CPM has little action that required game play, I would discuss but NDA and all. Right now the CPM had to do a quick round of security tightening after a couple attempts to get info. IRL I run million dollar projects in the legal industry as a senior project manager with up to 40 staff. Meetings, NDAs, timelines, budgets, P and L ... I can do more then fire a charged shot from my templar scrambler rifle. I used to maintain multiples of multi-million dollar objects in peak working condition under great duress with a staff of four because that was the number deemed necessary for our needs though at times I'd been wishing it been double. Quality maintained has to be top notch because the price of anything else is going to get someone killed. I already picked up one mess already because of such mistake made by another person. Diplomacy is required between my department and other departments, customers, those in charge of my department, and logistics when it comes to arranging resource allocation. Participated in developing a process that will have estimated savings for the US government into the millions. Breach of my Top Secret Security Clearance would surmount to that of treason; punishable by death. Knowing when to tell the customer to respectfully F off is a highly critical skill in correcting product usage behaviors. I can do more than do stupid things in a shooter. :P Aside from that if you want to go at it be my guest, if you want some thought exercises on the possible stuff you'd might deal with as a CPM feel free to ask I'll be happy to provide some scenarios. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 765	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:02:00 - [24] - Quote Alrighty, per suggestion, here is an update to the corporation tab that includes relative zoom location data. Please let me know if the light bloom is too strong. I can tone that down. [Corporation Tab Update] [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 765	Posted - 2013.12.22 03:36:00 - [25] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: If this recorded donations from players outside the corp, someone could easily open a bank or raffle service. That could be as straightforward as making the GÿÉ button bring up a filter menu that allows accountants to see donations from 1. only in-corp members, 2. in-corp and outside benefactors, and 3. only outside benefactors. This is getting into complicated territory, but I have some ideas that may fit into a recurring subscription and dividend payment system. Back to the drawing board. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 766	Posted - 2013.12.22 04:41:00 - [26] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So what is the whole idea is it to keep track of who has donated how much and if you donate "x" amount make them tax exempt for "y" amount of time I couldn't be bothered to look at it for more than ten seconds. There's no exemption function as far as I can see. The feature lets you track and compare player activity by the taxes collected from their matches and any donations they make. It gives CEOs and directors an easier ability to understand and recognize who is and isn't valuable to the corporation. It also give accountants the ability to track withdraws over time and any donations made by players from outside the corporation. This opens up the ability to manage banks and dividend dispersion to primary stakeholders. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 767	Posted - 2013.12.22 05:10:00 - [27] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So what is the whole idea is it to keep track of who has donated how much and if you donate "x" amount make them tax exempt for "y" amount of time I couldn't be bothered to look at it for more than ten seconds. There's no exemption function as far as I can see. The feature lets you track and compare player activity by the taxes collected from their matches and any donations they make. It gives CEOs and directors an easier ability to understand and recognize who is and isn't valuable to the corporation. It also give accountants the ability to track withdraws over time and any donations made by players from outside the corporation. This opens up the ability to manage banks and dividend dispersion to primary stakeholders. "as far as I can see" lol you made it. I only thought that because it said Taxes N/A so I assumed that player would not be required to pay taxes for some reason (Donations being below it lead me to my conclusion). It would be great to see who is being value to the corp and who is not, it also helps you see who is active since I believed it was a day to day thing you can see how much ISK they netted the corp over a week, since it takes about 40 decent games to cap and a decent game is about 200k at a 10% tax rate they would net the corp about 800K a week if they capped neat way of monitoring people. P.S. Props on the Photo Shop. Thanks. Yeah, I still like to play up the light facade I've concocted for new people to thread that haven't caught on. The deal with the Battle Taxes field showing a non-value in that last picture is because I used Ancient Exiles. for that example which doesn't set a tax rate for their players, so no taxes are collected from battles. I can't speak for their internal management on player donations, so I just assumed that player do donate. The L2 and R2 buttons change time selection from day, week, month, and lifetime. The number value for each of these categories can also be toggled with L2 / R2. This give corp management and players powerful tools to monitor each other and themselves. Besides withdrawal information and donations from outside benefactors, in-corp players will be able to see each other's battle taxes and net donations to the corp. This give players an incentive to bolster their contribution standings on the corporate 'leader board' in order claim the title of employee(s) of the month. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 767	Posted - 2013.12.22 05:14:00 - [28] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: While this information is useful, it could be better handled with a simple API that players could export into a tool of some sort. It doesn't need an ingame representation at all. What we DO need an ingame representation of is ISK killed vrs. ISK spent in matches. Not on the afterbattle screen, as that's already crowded enough, but on your character sheet and in the leaderboards. ISK lost to ISK killed ratios, AUR killed, etc. So we just need to keep bugging CCP FoxFour on opening up an API login management system to access this private corp data somewhere in CREST. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 767	Posted - 2013.12.22 05:24:00 - [29] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: What we DO need an ingame representation of is ISK killed vrs. ISK spent in matches. Not on the afterbattle screen, as that's already crowded enough, but on your character sheet and in the leaderboards. ISK lost to ISK killed ratios, AUR killed, etc. Yes. +1 As for ISK and AUR killed, I'm curious how equipment would play into that bigger picture. Sure you can destroy those items, but if you don't kill the carrier, you have effectively "killed' the ISK or AUR source for that item. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see how people pad those scores for the leader boards. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]