DUST Search - 20 mill sp player "Me" thinks this game is broken

Roy Ventus wrote:

Meknow Intaki wrote:

it's just Messed up that people can spend 12,440 sp and unlock a more powerful weapon then someone who spent almost 2mill sp What?

They just made AR's useless in this game, there is no place for them anymore..

CR = short range
RR = long range
ScR = every thing else

AR is like shooting BB's at people now..

CR = Medium to Short range with it's Assault variant being a Short Range focused weapon. Best against Armor.

RR = Long to Medium range with it's Assault variant being a Medium to Short Range focused weapon. Best against Armor.

ScR = Long to Medium range with it's Assault variant being a Medium to Short Range focused weapon. Best against Shields.

AR = Medium to Short Range with it's three variants focusing on different efficiency ranges(Breach is better in close quarters but has a powerful hit to be good at medium range, Burst is medium to long range with a major weakness in close quarters combat due to a mix of damage and RPM, and the Glu/Tactical is long to medium range with an okay hip fire game).

ARs and it's variants need a few updates but they're not as weak as you're claiming. I exclusively use them even with access to ADV versions of the Combat Rifles and I can still do damage. My only issue, and this is more about actual combat adaptability than anything, is that if the enemy has a point and has set up a decent perimeter with rail rifles....I'm pretty ******. I can't honestly try to shoot them down from a range while moving in since they have the optimal range advantage. I don't know if this is a flawed mechanic or a properly done one since I have to rely on other tactics or teammates altogether to start winning(and killing) again.

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Meknow Intaki Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 38	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:41:00 - [1] - Quote Just played a few games and no matter what I do how much armor and shields I fit I get ripped apart... I've got well over a Million sp on my Assault Rifle and I get out gunned down by these new guns with next to no sp on them Why would you do this CCP?
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2561	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:43:00 - [2] - Quote Inflation
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 882	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:44:00 - [3] - Quote did you expect your assault rifle to always be the most OP weapon in existence? just because you have alot of sp into ARs doesn't mean a basic combat rifle or rail rifle shouldn't kill you. yes i said it. even standard gear should be able to beat your Duvolle. if you use the assault rifle in its optimal, then it still works beautifully. you can't spray at 100+ meters and get kills like you used to. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 51	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:46:00 - [4] - Quote are you sure bro? because I put over 2 million SP into my combat rifle just so my standard combat rifle would **** imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 233	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:47:00 - [5] - Quote Having metric fucktons of SP does not turn on God Mode in Dust. It might open up more fitting options, but it will never make you immune to running into the middle of a firefight or trying to furiously mate with a RE. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9046	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:48:00 - [6] - Quote I have 12+ million SP into AV and it's entirely worthless since the only reliable way to take out solo tanks is with RE LAVs Vids / O7
Terram Nenokal Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 274	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:48:00 - [7] - Quote Looks like your SP isn't quite the crutch you wish it was. Loving to hate and hating to love Dust 514 since May 2012
Meknow Intaki Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 38	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:55:00 - [8] - Quote it's just Messed up that people can spend 12,440 sp and unlock a more powerful weapon then someone who spent almost 2mill sp They just made AR's useless in this game, there is no place for them anymore.. CR = short range RR = long range ScR = every thing else AR is like shooting BB's at people now..
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1518	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:57:00 - [9] - Quote 30 mil SP player "Me" thinks you should try another weapon if your current one is not working for you. For the Empire! TryHard op. 5, Neckbeard prof. 5 Selling Templar BPO
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 234	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:01:00 - [10] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: it's just Messed up that people can spend 12,440 sp and unlock a more powerful weapon then someone who spent almost 2mill sp They just made AR's useless in this game, there is no place for them anymore.. CR = short range RR = long range ScR = every thing else AR is like shooting BB's at people now.. Why don't you try switching weapons for a while? Oh, and AR's still kill me several times every match so they aren't "useless" "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley

Seigfried Warheit 115	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:01:00 - [11] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: it's just Messed up that people can spend 12,440 sp and unlock a more powerful weapon then someone who spent almost 2mill sp They just made AR's useless in this game, there is no place for them anymore.. CR = short range RR = long range ScR = every thing else AR is like shooting BB's at people now.. Your not using it right..only explanation I still get torn apart but blaster ARs
Bazookah Tooth NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 393	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:05:00 - [12] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: AR is like shooting BB's at people now.. Seems like evry time something new changes in the game, some weapon turns into a pea shooter. But if at 20mil you don't have enough experience to change with the times... your doing it wrong. "I believe it's a sin not to rule the world if you've been blessed with the strength!" Justice HMG for life
Meknow Intaki Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 38	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:10:00 - [13] - Quote It seams kind of fooked that I have to switch into the new gun class to stay competitive in dust... Better off training into tanks
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 322	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:12:00 - [14] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: ... or trying to furiously mate with a RE. I loled. RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 730	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:12:00 - [15] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: it's just Messed up that people can spend 12,440 sp and unlock a more powerful weapon then someone who spent almost 2mill sp They just made AR's useless in this game, there is no place for them anymore.. CR = short range RR = long range ScR = every thing else AR is like shooting BB's at people now.. CR = Medium to Short range with it's Assault variant being a Short Range focused weapon. Best against Armor. RR = Long to Medium range with it's Assault variant being a Medium to Short Range focused weapon. Best against Armor. ScR = Long to Medium range with it's Assault variant being a Medium to Short Range focused weapon. Best against Shields. AR = Medium to Short Range with it's three variants focusing on different efficiency ranges(Breach is better in close quarters but has a powerful hit to be good at medium range, Burst is medium to long range with a major weakness in close quarters combat due to a mix of damage and RPM, and the Glu/Tactical is long to medium range with an okay hip fire game). ARs and it's variants need a few updates but they're not as weak as you're claiming. I exclusively use them even with access to ADV versions of the Combat Rifles and I can still do damage. My only issue, and this is more about actual combat adaptability than anything, is that if the enemy has a point and has set up a decent perimeter with rail rifles....I'm pretty ******. I can't honestly try to shoot them down from a range while moving in since they have the optimal range advantage. I don't know if this is a flawed mechanic or a properly done one since I have to rely on other tactics or teammates altogether to start winning(and killing) again. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 250	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:19:00 - [16] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: Just played a few games and no matter what I do how much armor and shields I fit I get ripped apart... I've got well over a Million sp on my Assault Rifle and I get out gunned down by these new guns with next to no sp on them Why would you do this CCP? At closer ranges your AR (or Blaster Rifle as I like to call it) should be doing more DPS than any of the other assault rifle class. However the Blaster Rifle is also the shorted ranged of the assault rifle class. 8( That's why I hate CCP for screwing us over by having us skill into limited selections of equipment and then not letting us respec when they finally come out with the full selection of guns. Had I had the choice I would have skilled into the Combat Rifle from the get go. Now I have over 2 million wasted skillpoints on my character that I'll never use again. 8( As for your problem (assuming you are loyal to Gallente Blaster Rifles and don't want to switch), it's not more shields that you need, but more DPS combined with better tactics. Don't charge into the enemy, lure them around a corner or through a doorway or similar tight spot to you where you wait with your sights already trained onto them. This works outdoors too as none of the terrain is flat. Just duck around a hill or ust the rise as cover as they crest the hill, again with your sights trained upon their position as they come. You won't get all of them all the time, but you will be able to take a lot of them with you if you do it right.
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 487	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:20:00 - [17] - Quote That's funny. At 21 million SP, i'm doing just fine with my GEK-38 as ever before. em ta kool t'nod
Jason Pearson 3505	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:27:00 - [18] - Quote 20mil SP me says he doesn't really care what your SP is. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 500	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:28:00 - [19] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: It seams kind of fooked that I have to switch into the new gun class to stay competitive in dust... Better off training into tanks Working as intended. CCP makes OP FOTM weapons, uber l33t tryhards buy boosters in order to skill into FOTM, Devs get paid, and make new FOTM weapons. Round and round it goes. Oh BTW my Exile still puts heavy's down quick, jus sayin! BattleDuty 514 Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter. Working as intended.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 984	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:29:00 - [20] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: it's just Messed up that people can spend 12,440 sp and unlock a more powerful weapon then someone who spent almost 2mill sp They just made AR's useless in this game, there is no place for them anymore.. CR = short range RR = long range ScR = every thing else AR is like shooting BB's at people now.. Finished Kingdoms of Amalor and now playing TLOU or Tales of Graces or Dragons Dogma Yeah, yeah its not like some folks spent over two million sp for a worthless shotgun, worthless HMG, worthless SL, worthless nova knifes, worthless AV grenades, worthless MK-0, and lol ***** useless and worthless edited laser.....lol!! ** patch 1.7 not playing that garbage. Waiting for 1.8 Really waiting for FFX HD and then when I finish playing that then its goodby to PS3 and hello PS4 only games. Now back to playing Tales of Graces. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.

Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1455	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:34:00 - [21] - Quote Just out of curiosity how do you know how much SP the people killing you have into that weapon? Do you think that should be the balancing factor low sp chars cant kill high sp because they haven't been here as long? Also you aren't trying to use that duvolle of yours to kill people at longer ranges as that just does not work anymore if they have a longer range rifle yours is now what it should be very powerful in CQC. FW standings - Gal 3 (briefly 4), Min 3, Ama 0, Cal 0, hatred of Scotty over 9000
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 132	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:38:00 - [22] - Quote AR has become more of a close range weapon, in comparison to the longer range CR and RR. If you're using the AR as you did before, expect to get "eaten up". IMO, you need to change the way you engage targets in 1.7 -- get closer with the AR.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 549	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:41:00 - [23] - Quote It's sad that you only realized this after 20 mil SP.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 873	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:43:00 - [24] - Quote I got 33 mil. Its still rough. I love a good fight though.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2564	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:08:00 - [25] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: it's just Messed up that people can spend 12,440 sp and unlock a more powerful weapon then someone who spent almost 2mill sp They just made AR's useless in this game, there is no place for them anymore.. CR = short range RR = long range ScR = every thing else AR is like shooting BB's at people now.. CR = Medium to Short range with it's Assault variant being a Short Range focused weapon. Best against Armor. RR = Long to Medium range with it's Assault variant being a Medium to Short Range focused weapon. Best against Armor. ScR = Long to Medium range with it's Assault variant being a Medium to Short Range focused weapon. Best against Shields. AR = Medium to Short Range with it's three variants focusing on different efficiency ranges(Breach is better in close quarters but has a powerful hit to be good at medium range, Burst is medium to long range with a major weakness in close quarters combat due to a mix of damage and RPM, and the Glu/Tactical is long to medium range with an okay hip fire game). ARs and it's variants need a few updates but they're not as weak as you're claiming. I exclusively use them even with access to ADV versions of the Combat Rifles and I can still do damage. My only issue, and this is more about actual combat adaptability than anything, is that if the enemy has a point and has set up a decent perimeter with rail rifles....I'm pretty ******. I can't honestly try to shoot them down from a range while moving in since they have the optimal range advantage. I don't know if this is a flawed mechanic or a properly done one since I have to rely on other tactics or teammates altogether to start winning(and killing) again. That's where you enlist a dropship to put you and five others right on the objective inside your CQC optimal.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 958	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:14:00 - [26] - Quote I just came back after 3+ months and find my AR working pretty good still, I have it all maxed out except final sharpshooter and optimization lvl 5s. The new guns are nice, but I'm still killing guys using them with my AR so it is not useless. I'm actually using a 'dren' assault rifle mostly lol.
Meeko Fent State Patriots EVE Alliance 20131217 1720	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:17:00 - [27] - Quote Because other people spent tons of SP on RRs and CRs too, giving them a edge DUST is a half decent game. Be happy its free.
Scarr Beloxian FACTION WARFARE ARMY 12	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:20:00 - [28] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: it's just Messed up that people can spend 12,440 sp and unlock a more powerful weapon then someone who spent almost 2mill sp They just made AR's useless in this game, there is no place for them anymore.. CR = short range RR = long range ScR = every thing else AR is like shooting BB's at people now.. Finished Kingdoms of Amalor and now playing TLOU or Tales of Graces or Dragons Dogma Yeah, yeah its not like some folks spent over two million sp for a worthless shotgun, worthless HMG, worthless SL, worthless nova knifes, worthless AV grenades, worthless MK-0, and lol ***** useless and worthless edited laser.....lol!! ** patch 1.7 not playing that garbage. Waiting for 1.8 Really waiting for FFX HD and then when I finish playing that then its goodby to PS3 and hello PS4 only games. Now back to playing Tales of Graces. don't forget tales of symphonia chronicles is being released and on a side note Shotguns ftw I am....NO...WE are...BANG!!!!
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 322	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:24:00 - [29] - Quote Close to 28 mil sp. Still tearing people apart with my toxin, gek and duvolle. Also went proto with the combat rifles, they are yummy. However all these weapons have theyr'e niche's where they work the best. I suggest you check and change your tactics. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 322	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:25:00 - [30] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: I just came back after 3+ months and find my AR working pretty good still, I have it all maxed out except final sharpshooter and optimization lvl 5s. The new guns are nice, but I'm still killing guys using them with my AR so it is not useless. I'm actually using a 'dren' assault rifle mostly lol. Toxin FTW!!! CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"



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