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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 567	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:07:00 - [31] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: I've been using a dragonfly scout with a dren' AR, shield extender, armor plate, and basic armor repair and its been a blast. i'm averaging 20 kills at match and 5 deaths. Its a way different play style then my logi, Its all about flanking and sticking with CQC as opposed to going head on with any enemy at most ranges. Scouts just need to learn the proper playstyle but my dragonfly is a strafing beast and I can't wait to start skilling into the gallente scout. try that same set up with a CR I would but I have level 5 for all the AR skills.
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 28	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:15:00 - [32] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Chances of wining a straight up gun fight for me in a Scout suit is somewhere approaching zero. To be honest though, if you're in a straight up gun fight with the scout suit, you have done something wrong. I'd like to disagree with you It took you full proto to do that and die 7 times. Amazing Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 51	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:17:00 - [33] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: I've been using a dragonfly scout with a dren' AR, shield extender, armor plate, and basic armor repair and its been a blast. i'm averaging 20 kills at match and 5 deaths. Its a way different play style then my logi, Its all about flanking and sticking with CQC as opposed to going head on with any enemy at most ranges. Scouts just need to learn the proper playstyle but my dragonfly is a strafing beast and I can't wait to start skilling into the gallente scout. try that same set up with a CR I would but I have level 5 for all the AR skills. I still use AR on my scout but the CR is great on ammo so it brings more options to my scout set ups imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1081	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:32:00 - [34] - Quote A few weeks ago my squad played almost an entire team of Scouts. We didn't have any gameplan against that. They beat us. Its hard to play well when you're literally spinning circles trying keep them from sneaking on you. Scouts are good for the right players. Not everyone can do it. I started as a 100% fulltime SG Scout and couldn't get my KDR above 1.05 for 3 months. I gave up and went Medium. I think a 1.00 KDR for a full time scout is rather good, but I can't settle for that after having to work beyond hard for little to no reward besides fun.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 897	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:34:00 - [35] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Chances of wining a straight up gun fight for me in a Scout suit is somewhere approaching zero. To be honest though, if you're in a straight up gun fight with the scout suit, you have done something wrong. I'd like to disagree with you It took you full proto to do that and die 7 times. Amazing Fusion, don't you run proto quite often? it's not really protostomping if it's in a scout suit Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 897	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:36:00 - [36] - Quote 8213 wrote: A few weeks ago my squad played almost an entire team of Scouts. We didn't have any gameplan against that. They beat us. Its hard to play well when you're literally spinning circles trying keep them from sneaking on you. Scouts are good for the right players. Not everyone can do it. I started as a 100% fulltime SG Scout and couldn't get my KDR above 1.05 for 3 months. I gave up and went Medium. I think a 1.00 KDR for a full time scout is rather good, but I can't settle for that after having to work beyond hard for little to no reward besides fun. i'm working on getting mine to 2.0 my goal was to once be on top of the Scout Registry...but you know what happened now my goal is to get a 2.0 KDR Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 36	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:38:00 - [37] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: 8213 wrote: A few weeks ago my squad played almost an entire team of Scouts. We didn't have any gameplan against that. They beat us. Its hard to play well when you're literally spinning circles trying keep them from sneaking on you. Scouts are good for the right players. Not everyone can do it. I started as a 100% fulltime SG Scout and couldn't get my KDR above 1.05 for 3 months. I gave up and went Medium. I think a 1.00 KDR for a full time scout is rather good, but I can't settle for that after having to work beyond hard for little to no reward besides fun. i'm working on getting mine to 2.0 my goal was to once be on top of the Scout Registry...but you know what happened now my goal is to get a 2.0 KDR From how what see you perform in-game you'll get there in no time Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 36	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:41:00 - [38] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Chances of wining a straight up gun fight for me in a Scout suit is somewhere approaching zero. To be honest though, if you're in a straight up gun fight with the scout suit, you have done something wrong. I'd like to disagree with you It took you full proto to do that and die 7 times. Amazing Fusion, don't you run proto quite often? it's not really protostomping if it's in a scout suit The only proto I run is the suit everything else is adv. I did get hate mail last week from some guys in Eternal Beings for proto stomping even the my sqaud mates where caring full proto. And dying 7 times is a lot of isk to lose in suits. Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
pseudosnipre 400	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:06:00 - [39] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Chances of wining a straight up gun fight for me in a Scout suit is somewhere approaching zero. To be honest though, if you're in a straight up gun fight with the scout suit, you have done something wrong. I'd like to disagree with you Disagree with losing 700k isk on one match, maybe... Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 778	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:08:00 - [40] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Chances of wining a straight up gun fight for me in a Scout suit is somewhere approaching zero. To be honest though, if you're in a straight up gun fight with the scout suit, you have done something wrong. I'd like to disagree with you It took you full proto to do that and die 7 times. Amazing Does this appease you more? guy iv never heard of. Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt

Oswald Rehnquist 917	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:14:00 - [41] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Scout suits aren't made for straight up gun fights, unless you can deal a lot of damage within a very short time or tank it like an assualt suit. You live longer when you don't get hit by bullets too, lol, who has said otherwise? Fox was talking about a failed stalking attempt, not any direct frontline confrontation.The base issue that I see is utility and opportunity cost of running a scout. I have an offensive, defense and support scout builds. the the offensive/defensive are better for my kdr but I run support scout because that wins matches more often. He is a proto uplink complex hacker unit, but while the min logi is the red head of the logis, the hacking bonus with its speed/slot number it actually can do this just as well but with costing a little more isk and more ehp. People recognize what is OP and what isn't, its not that hard to spot, scouts in chrom were much more popular because they were op or however you define it, scouts now are seldom as the months go by, because they are in fact very under powered. Once cloaks come out I expect all the sloth / path of least resistance players to jump on the scout then though due to the novelty. So I agree with you in regards to not going to far like tanks because I would be upset over that, as the true tankers are now, the trend CCP is going is to dump things down for frontliners. I also would like non combat utility reinforced into the scout. Scouts current utility on the battlefield is city spaces, point defense, and long distance support running. The point defense and long distance running is not because scouts do it better per say but since these are less rewarding roles the are often left unfilled. Scouts are fine in pub matches, but that changes drastically once you leave pubs or start going up against major corps, which current stealth is lack luster with the focus plus a tank guarding each objective, which they do run a lot outside pubs. It is also the current counter to the yet to be released cloak. CCP's cloak fix is a scout hotfix, until they actually add more utility as mentioned in the dev blog, and from what it sounds like to prevent any large margins in scout utility increases they are making the scout buff available for all. So I don't think we are going to have to worry about OP scouts because the benefits will dilute itself a little across frames. Below 28 dB
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 37	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:19:00 - [42] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Chances of wining a straight up gun fight for me in a Scout suit is somewhere approaching zero. To be honest though, if you're in a straight up gun fight with the scout suit, you have done something wrong. I'd like to disagree with you It took you full proto to do that and die 7 times. Amazing Does this appease you more? guy iv never heard of. Edit: and the picture I posted earlier was against a squad of molon labe. and SVER. Yes, yes it does. Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
2Berries Red Star Jr. EoN. 20	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:37:00 - [43] - Quote I just started scouting, changed up from assault. Scout is hard mode, but easily the most fun i've had playing this game. Can't stop giggling to myself about the close calls i have been able to walk out of. Can't wait to get dampened and really start creeping on people!
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3287	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:02:00 - [44] - Quote I don't have a problem with them, actually. The community just needs to realize they're SCOUTS; not light assaults. Their strengths are in scanning and mobility, which gives them 2 main roles: Stealth combat- using their passive scanning and low profiles to surprise people with shotguns, knives, or plasma cannons Non-combat- using their superior mobility to drop uplinks in strategic locations, and combining mobility and stealth to hack unguarded installations I made fits for both these roles, and they're VERY effective, and my personal favorites, next to my minmatar logi. We used to have a time machine
Dengru Fatal Absolution 219	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:05:00 - [45] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Chances of wining a straight up gun fight for me in a Scout suit is somewhere approaching zero. To be honest though, if you're in a straight up gun fight with the scout suit, you have done something wrong. I'd like to disagree with you Disagree with losing 700k isk on one match, maybe... lol one headshot kill (>^_^)><(^.^<)
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 636	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:06:00 - [46] - Quote 2Berries wrote: I just started scouting, changed up from assault. Scout is hard mode, but easily the most fun i've had playing this game. Can't stop giggling to myself about the close calls i have been able to walk out of. Can't wait to get dampened and really start creeping on people! Every scout has there war stories of epic events and every single one is F***ing awesome! PPl say that shotgun scouts are scary and this is true but not all scout run offensive builds. There are many times were I make the top of the leaderboards with less than 10 kills. I once nearly had enough to get my own orbital twice (if only there was more time T_T). Scanners, uplinks, and codebreakers = mad WP gain. Scout Tactician "You have been Scanned"
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 397	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:10:00 - [47] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: I've been using a dragonfly scout with a dren' AR, shield extender, armor plate, and basic armor repair and its been a blast. i'm averaging 20 kills at match and 5 deaths. Its a way different play style then my logi, Its all about flanking and sticking with CQC as opposed to going head on with any enemy at most ranges. Scouts just need to learn the proper playstyle but my dragonfly is a strafing beast and I can't wait to start skilling into the gallente scout. Why do people play pubs and think that are now the "god" of scouts? Go play against any kind of organized competition and you will see it's failings. The scout cannot equal a medium frame in nearly any way. They don't have the CPU/PGU to fit much, their speed can be equaled by a logi with a ease, their stealth is nice but is too easily overcome. The combination of these leaves it hurting. Play a scout in a few PC matches and then play a few as a medium frame. It's like playing with an SMG and then switching to a CR. While the SMg is effective the CR is exponentially better.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3287	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:11:00 - [48] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: People recognize what is OP and what isn't, its not that hard to spot, Sorry, but this part stood out so much I'm having to ignore the rest of your post for the time being. Hell no. Dropships weren't buffed in codex, but they weren't considered OP until that build. Why? Because HAVs were OP in the previous build and nobody touched dropships. There's always one OP thing that overshadows everything else; only those of us who stray from the beaten path notice what's truly powerful. That being said, for the last 2 builds, I've been terrified of anyone who has mastered plasma cannons. And this build, I'm terrified of any squad who masters dropship combat (I kindof want to see that though- remember that passengers are weapons too! Drop shotgunners into CQC) We used to have a time machine
2Berries Red Star Jr. EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:14:00 - [49] - Quote I totally agree. Sounds like so much else in life, hate what you don't understand. Scouts have no place on the front lines. CQC & support is where it's at. You can include sniping under support, as long as they are mic'd up and feeding info to the team/squad. Use a scout suit for anything else & your going to have a bad time. Let me know if there are other decent uses for scouts,would love to learn more.
Rogue Saint Science For Death 627	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:17:00 - [50] - Quote When a medium suit can do all the things better than a scout there is something wrong (Hacking, evading, stealth etc.). I agree that scouts have their moments and there are some awesome scouts out there who truly **** on the battle field, but the fact that we need to run proto just to get a small advantage is pretty bad. I have a 1.56 KDR, I work hard for it, though its not what drives me. I do love my scout, but more often than not I have QQ and WTF moments way more than I do on my assault/logi alts. There is no niche for scouts, when there is then people can decide if they are OP or not. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Bringing the dakka

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3287	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:08:00 - [51] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: When a medium suit can do all the things better than a scout there is something wrong (Hacking, evading, stealth etc.). I agree that scouts have their moments and there are some awesome scouts out there who truly **** on the battle field, but the fact that we need to run proto just to get a small advantage is pretty bad. I have a 1.56 KDR, I work hard for it, though its not what drives me. I do love my scout, but more often than not I have QQ and WTF moments way more than I do on my assault/logi alts. There is no niche for scouts, when there is then people can decide if they are OP or not. Medium suits can't see everything in the building they're in without alerting their enemies. If you put any effort into improving passive scanning, that's one of their biggest strengths. We used to have a time machine
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 53	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:50:00 - [52] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: If they ever get buffed they'll be OP in some way Wouldn't most people complaining about them be the same people running logi primary as assault? Lol if that's the case, the opinion is about as relevant as a polished turd. Level 5 Proficiency in basket weaving.
HiddenBrother Days of Ruin 17	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:19:00 - [53] - Quote If it kills a medium frame once or twice; it's OP. Ruin.
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 10	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:52:00 - [54] - Quote when I first started playing this game I was always the guy that flanked, the infiltrator, I would bring uplinks to red objectives, I would hide at red objectives and terrorise them, my style was very stealthy, thats why I became a scout because I thought that they could do this role best, sadly I was wrong, medium suits can infiltrate better, and scouts don't have much of a stealth bonus
Ninja Troll 2	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:56:00 - [55] - Quote Green Living wrote: Been running scout out of boredom the past week. Having a blast as long as I don't have to engage in combat. I use the cheap Min scout for uplinks and sniping. It's fun sneaking up on people and knifing them when they're hacking. Although you're right, any combat usually ends in death. [Request] Infantry Only Mode or Option - No Vehicles
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1105	Posted - 2013.12.18 01:58:00 - [56] - Quote Well it's like this, if you use a rifle on a scout an flank you ll do fine, the scouts that started as scouts in beta that ran pistols an nk an sg, find stealth broken to a degree because in your face gameplay has lost its value to TTK. The scout was built around " in your face" now it's rather dead an that's why scouts are irritated, use a rifle in any game, dust was built around certain diversities that are semi non existent or viable. Frustration with ttk when you work so hard to stalk a guy an a rail rifle cleans your clock at 100 m Ya sure strap a rifle on a scout an go 20/3 but the days of doing that with knives are dead an older scouts want it back, an the young scouts want the experiences the old scouts had, hence the situation. Scouts with 4.0 kit an 50000 kills are why ccp nerfed us expecting it was the soon to be norm when it isn't , Mr Musturd beats the crap out of proto squads with 40 kill games daily with knives an a pistol in a adv suit , does that mean you base a whole class off those stats? No but that's what ccp did due to the suits potential in the right hands, so of we all got that good would the suit be op? Hell no, it's the player an the dedication in the player, put a guys like you an flako an musturd an disgruntled an shotty in med frame logistics with rifles, see the problem? Ccp records stats, an scouts learned to get good in crap, they will always be dangerous an the suit had nothing to do with it, we're used to 300 HP , imagine us with 1000 HP an 3 damage mods, can't balance that, ccp just doesn't want scouts doing better than other suits, we're considered recon an stealth with no recon or stealth in the game just weak assault style suits sinc it is an always will be a killing game.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 786	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:02:00 - [57] - Quote Dengru wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Chances of wining a straight up gun fight for me in a Scout suit is somewhere approaching zero. To be honest though, if you're in a straight up gun fight with the scout suit, you have done something wrong. I'd like to disagree with you Disagree with losing 700k isk on one match, maybe... lol one headshot kill Kinda hard to hit the head when you're in a group of enemies dancing around taking on 4 - 1. Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 190	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:03:00 - [58] - Quote Scouts need to be OP so they can KILL. There OP will be balance Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns soonGäó
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2403	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:20:00 - [59] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: OSGR Valdez wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: If they ever get buffed they'll be OP in some way If anything changes it'll be screamed "OP" Your scout suits shouldn't cost as much as they do though The shield tanks is a prime example to it was useless before 1.7 now it's spammed All suits suits have the same price I don't think CCP will just change it just for the Scout Then they should make me stealth incarnate. Right now, I have to waste 1/2 of my low slots just to avoid a Proto Scanner. Mind you, this is with maxed out passive dampening and Proto Scout. Thats around 3mil SP and wasting a low slot, all to avoid a piece of equipment that costs around 365k SP ( I THINK). Give me a decent cloak, and the ability to avoid PRO scanners without modules, and I will be a VERY happy scout. I will also stab you all. <---- Why I would be happy Agreed It doesn't make since that you have to put more dampening modules on a suit that is already suppose to help make you incognito. The built in dampening is almost little to from what I notice, even in pc my Scout.gko can't escape a proto scanner To me the proto scout suit with dampening skills maxed should defeat a proto scanner without a module. That is unless the person running the scanner has fit precision enhancement module. Something to that effect. The entire system needs to be reworked. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Demon Buddah NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 98	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:32:00 - [60] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: If they ever get buffed they'll be OP in some way Knowing CCP, they probably will make us OP. They only need to buff just some stuff. I think that we should be more invisible really. Maybe a meter or two faster also? I mean like the Minmitar scout, we're the assassins of the game, so we should move faster and be more invisible to do our jobs more stealthy and quickly. With that being said about being an assassins, we are also the ones that should be going around hacking objectives. BUT seeing as how CCP works, if we ever do get a buff they're probably gonna over do it. Then we'll get nerfed to absolutely nothing :/



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