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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:37:00 -
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RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle?
the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:38:00 -
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Both are awesome, I use both. Need I say more?
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
2124
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:38:00 -
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That rail rifle...
*bites lower lip*
Its like the pre-nerf creodon breach assault rifle...
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1264
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:41:00 -
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my point is don't nerf either. because nerfing one is prejiducd really... there is just no resean for a nerf right now.
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Ahrendee Mercenaries
515
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:42:00 -
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Let's not talk about this, they all are good. Let it stay.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1552
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:42:00 -
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tanks...that is all |

Cosgar
ParagonX
8832
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:44:00 -
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Before anything gets nerfed/buffed, TTK needs to be reevaluated with the better hit detection. After that, sling something as simple as removing the sharpshooter or changing the proficiency skill to something other than raw DPS might fix rifle balance.
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Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
268
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:53:00 -
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The thing is iam kind of worried what the rusult of a nerf to the CR would be currently its got high dps with a small mag and spread to boot it seems now if they nerf DPS and it keeps spread and its low mag capacity then its getting very close into the useless territory especially if its nerfed and then they decide to increase TTK it will likely take more than 1 mag to kill with it. It seems the weapon has been balenced around doing massive dps, while it doesnt actually have a whole lot more dps that the other rifles.
Iam curious why people seem to think its OP iam going to guess its down to the fact that most armor tank now and got used to being able to take so much abuse from anti shield weapons. Perhaps it because when people see minmatar teck they think its ment to be underpowered? who knows |

dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2172
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:06:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Let's not talk about this, they all are good. Let it stay.
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Spartykins
NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention
1
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:12:00 -
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Wait? People actually think the new rifles are OP?
Come on guys, the only thing that could probably be worth looking at is the assault variants, and that's pushing it.
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1251
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:16:00 -
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I don't want the CR nerfed, or the RR nerfed, I wamt them allmnerfed, all the rifles are too powerful!
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1889
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:21:00 -
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Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate.
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OSGR Valdez
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:23:00 -
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They're equally balanced. CR = CQC RR = Long-range
I don't do any better than I did with my AR with the new weapons. |

iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1213
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:27:00 -
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the rr is average at CQC the AR and the CR are better at brawls.
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Mister0Zz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
99
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:28:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:That rail rifle...
*bites lower lip*
Its like the pre-nerf creodon breach assault rifle...
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM Rail Rifle... |

I-Shayz-I
I-----I
1658
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:28:00 -
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Recorded a guy that went 65/1 with a RR.
They still lost the match becuase he was just sitting there on the pipes instead of getting objectives.
Assault CR is deadly at close range, but sucks at long range. RR is deadly at long range but is okay at close range. If I could change anything about the RR it would be to make it have ZERO dispersion while hip firing just like the laser rifle, or massive dispersion like the sniper.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
2520
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:30:00 -
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Everything is good, everybody STFU. |

ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
655
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:42:00 -
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lol all those maxed ar users trying to make ar fotm again.... weapon wise this is the only time i have ever seem almost equal amounts of each weapon type on the field. i get killed by all equally. obviously rr/cr are used a lot recently and thats down to people trying them out and getting the feel for them. nothing more
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
707
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:46:00 -
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The RR is a little too good at close range, with a little too accurate hipfire for a rail weapon. Otherwise the new rifles are pretty balanced.... against other rifles.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
655
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:54:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:The RR is a little too good at close range, with a little too accurate hipfire for a rail weapon. Otherwise the new rifles are pretty balanced.... against other rifles.
like the AR, or the SCR, or the CR
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
479
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:59:00 -
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If anything gets nerfed, i think everyone deserves a respec for whatever nerf.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
5
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:04:00 -
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The rail replace the heavy machine gun perfectly for heavy it raised m'y kdr but i agree its place is long ranged as the cr is more close ranged. Btw the basic rail is so good i only to ok the fiirst skill level best in estiment in sp eva.... This should prove that its op. when you only need the level 1 at all to get average 15-20kills per match ! |

CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
519
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:19:00 -
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for some reason i managed to survive longer against a proto ar while in my mlt free suit than i can against a combat rifle in the same suit or heavy suit.
i dont think the problem with the combat rifle is the stated paper damage itself.
i think the problem is the damage percentages for that gun. as my time using the std variant ive managed to drop a few proto heavies with just a few bursts from the rifle. not to mention it looks to be the most accurate rapid fire gun in the game right now. since the hipfire crosshairs 4 it pretty much guarantees an easy time aiming.
im still a few 100k sp away from unlocking the assault variants for those guns though. |

Kane Fyea
Scions of Athra
2412
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:20:00 -
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I personally think all the rifles need to be toned down. The TTK is too low right now. |

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME
875
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:23:00 -
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imo neither of them need a nerf.
the rail rifle isn't better than the combat rifle. they are both excellent for different situations.
actually the only thing that needs a nerf in this game is the quantity of tanks you can put on the battlefield. reduce that and fix the horrendous lag, and this game will be amazing.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Auxiliaries
63
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:31:00 -
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RR is getting a change
" Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply."
so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit |

OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
1104
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:47:00 -
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RR is kind of a spray pray in cqc, but the cr to me requires skill, and the ACR isn't what it should be, the kick is ******** compared to a smg or Ar an the clip is out an the guy has 3 HP left.
Maybe the cr users in Cqc do well with it on the hip, but I been patient an head shotting like a boss from range an you can't nerf that type of play, honestly rr out dps every weapon I have so if I don't plan a flank n flux they get me everytime |

Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention
874
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:02:00 -
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Gregor stormwalker wrote:RR is getting a change
" Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply."
so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit Role bonuses, it's tagged wrong, now the gallente suit will reduce its fitting requirements. the damage types stay the same
The two hybrid types are (Rail, Plasma)
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
1994
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:02:00 -
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WHO!?
Who wants to nerf my Combat Rifle!?
I want names (calling EVE support for Orbital Strike)!
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Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Auxiliaries
63
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:13:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Gregor stormwalker wrote:RR is getting a change
" Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply."
so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit Role bonuses, it's tagged wrong, now the gallente suit will reduce its fitting requirements. the damage types stay the same The two hybrid types are (Rail, Plasma)
ahhh I thought the same tag would have been used for both property to reduce redundancy in the database |
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Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
78
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:15:00 -
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The RR needs a bit of a nerf in close range but the only rifle that needs a buff is the LR... BADLY |

Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
727
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:16:00 -
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Put the old scope back on the AR and I might use it again, I don't care how much SP I sunk into AR, not worth using till I have a scope back.
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lee corwood
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
41
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:02:00 -
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Nothing needs to be touched on either of these rifles until they have another look at ttk and balance around the rest of the weapons in general. I know this is shortly after the release and everyone is playing with them, but honestly even before the 1.7 patch, I've seen little to no use of any other type of weapon on the field except for scout shottys. Every weapon should have a place in correct situations and right now, I don't believe that's the case.
As far as these two specific weapons in general, I feel they balance themselves out perfectly. A RR across the field is going to win, but my CR in CQC usually wins.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1288
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:14:00 -
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All ARs are balanced against each other but the thing that always kills me n every situation is that damn ACR that thing is the bane to all armor suits
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
51
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:24:00 -
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it killed me NERF it!
it killed me NERF it!
it killed me NERF it!

imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8847
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:41:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:All ARs are balanced against each other but the thing that always kills me n every situation is that damn ACR that thing is the bane to all armor suits Working as intended I'm afraid. I used to armor tank my Minmatar logi with 200/400 shield/armor. Now I do 330/200 with regulators and speed mods in the lows because that extra mobility matters. Not as much as it should, but it's getting there.
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negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
417
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:05:00 -
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because of all the crybaby armor tankers
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
714
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:09:00 -
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negative49er wrote:because of all the crybaby armor tankers
Yup, ScR was king and then everyone went gk.0 with 8 million armor and no shields. ScR not as scary.
Along comes the ACR and QQ in 3...2...1...
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
322
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:15:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:lol all those maxed ar users trying to make ar fotm again.... weapon wise this is the only time i have ever seem almost equal amounts of each weapon type on the field. i get killed by all equally. obviously rr/cr are used a lot recently and thats down to people trying them out and getting the feel for them. nothing more I saved enough sp to take both to proto level with prof lvl4. My ar's are all proto too, sorry.
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1277
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:50:00 -
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scr is still rediculous...lol
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The Furtive Pygmy
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:52:00 -
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Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt |

calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1562
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:57:00 -
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The Furtive Pygmy wrote:Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt
RR has 70 meter range while the CR doesn't.
the ARR has a dps which is comparative to the CR easily. |

Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
571
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:05:00 -
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Don't see any problem with the rail rifle. I don't like the charge up so it's not my cup of tea.
I <3 the CR though. Just not the nasty ACR. Eww. |

Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
383
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:24:00 -
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Out of the two guns the RR is the more balanced of the two,if you run the math it's DPS at it's optimal runs close to a AR while the CR doesn't, even though it is a burst weapon,the weapon doesnt have noticable fireing inverals or pasues between shots ,if you just spam the trigger it acts as a automatic weapon.
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
445
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:35:00 -
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Combat rife is much more powerful for a few reasons. It can kill me just as far as my rail rifle can kill people, only faster. It has far more ammo and ROF than my RR and takes less bullets to get a kill. It doesn't have a negative bounus against shields and has a 5% bounus against armor. It melts shields just as quickly as it does armor. Its burst fire. All this makes it the new fotm. |

The Furtive Pygmy
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:46:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:The Furtive Pygmy wrote:Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt RR has 70 meter range while the CR doesn't. the ARR has a dps which is comparative to the CR easily. this is what we call pro's and cons of a gun, CR is the strongest dps gun while RR is the gun with the farthest range, the SCR has the highest burst damage with it's charged shot, while the AR is the jack of all trades. Sorry but 470 dps is nowhere close to over 900
The range is comparable within 20m |

D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1280
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:49:00 -
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the RR can kill your from outside your rendering distance. At 100m range and beyond actually. with just the std. I mean seriously you can kill someone from so far even if they looked in your direction you couldnt see them.
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3378
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:50:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle?
the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG.
All rifles are pretty balanced with each other.
Is the laser rifle and OTHER weapons that need a Buff.
If you NERF any rifle the balance breaks....
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Nirwanda Vaughns
256
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:01:00 -
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not saying RR is OP but i have Prof 5 in CR and operation lv1 in RR and my RR kills quicker
It's only after we have lost everything, are we free to do anything.... Unless CCP take away your BPOs
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4249
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:27:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:D legendary hero wrote:RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle?
the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG. All rifles are pretty balanced with each other.Is the laser rifle and OTHER weapons that need a Buff.If you NERF any rifle the balance breaks.... ALL the Rifles need a slight nerf to come in line with the Laser and other weapons, which are balanced pretty closely to where TTK should be now that hit detection is (mostly) fixed. |
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
796
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:31:00 -
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Everyone, shut up! The CR is fine....
It is not FotM. The RR is, but even then, the RR is fine as well. Stop asking for nerfs and start asking for buffs! |

Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3842
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:31:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate.
Yes.
And completely gimp alpha weapons in the process.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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Pisidon Gmen
Ivory Vanguard
18
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:33:00 -
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scramblers need a nurff more then combat rifle but combat rifle is way op in damage per sec 1200 fire rate is way to high compare dps on all weapons not just cause you are killed by 1 more. most AR do more damage or similar to RR avg hp on drop suits seems not to have been looked at when making most weapons esp with all of them having a 25% increse with proficiency then add damage mods more hp or less damage from the high dps weapons its whats needed not crying do to getting killed do to the flavor of the month weapon |

Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
1130
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:39:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:my point is don't nerf either. because nerfing one is prejiducd really... there is just no resean for a nerf right now.
Holy cow! I think I actually agree with D for the first time ever.
Both of these weapons are actually pretty well balanced with the AR and SCR. Sure the AR's DPS is a bit low by comparison but it can still wreck.
CCP just needs to buff the other weapons up to the same level as the rifles and this game will be sweet.
Edit: I'm not including the laser rifle in the group of rifles I'm calling internally balanced. It needs a buff along with all the rest of the non-rifle weapons.
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2332
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:48:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle?
the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG.
Alot folks don't know what the heck they're talking about. They are both balanced and good for unique situations.
Especially a CalLogi fit with a RR. I can keep my distance and lay down support fire while still assisting teammates that surround me.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1327
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:51:00 -
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10:1 The people calling for a Combat Rifle nerf are Rail Rifle users. IMHO, the Rail Rifle is stupid OP. Who was the genius that thought the Breach replacement rifle should have the longest range when the breach anythings sacrifice range for damage?
If anything the Rail Rifle is the one that needs a damage nerf if it keeps tje range.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4249
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:58:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate. Yes. And completely gimp alpha weapons in the process. Exactly why they should nerf the high-RoF weapons into line with the TTK we used to have before all the buffs were followed by massive hit detection improvements. |

Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation Zero-Day
216
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:21:00 -
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Even though the RR is "better", the kick it has is insane. I prefer the CR though because semi auto > full auto. |

Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
37
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:25:00 -
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OP:They are most balanced rifles in game.
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
279
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:40:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Before anything gets nerfed/buffed, TTK needs to be reevaluated with the better hit detection. After that, sling something as simple as removing the sharpshooter or changing the proficiency skill to something other than raw DPS might fix rifle balance. I've always wondered why it is that the rifles that are short ranged have skills that improve their range (i.e., help alleviate their shortcomings), yet the rifles that are long ranged have no skills to help make up for their shortcomings.
Alaika Arbosa wrote:10:1 The people calling for a Combat Rifle nerf are Rail Rifle users. IMHO, the Rail Rifle is stupid OP. Who was the genius that thought the Breach replacement rifle should have the longest range when the breach anythings sacrifice range for damage?
If anything the Rail Rifle is the one that needs a damage nerf if it keeps tje range.
The breach variants reduce rate of fire for increased alpha, not range. |
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
513
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:44:00 -
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Why would anyone want to nerf the CR and RR when a SCR fully spec'ed into with 2 damage mods does 500++ damage base!... Plus headshots... so it will one shot pretty much anything... and out damages Thale sniper rifles? Then add shield damage bonus.. So yea that gun needs some tweaking... It's only downfall is facing multiple people... seriously?
RR, CR, ASCR and AR all have parity...
The AR has some weird fire delay now it's holding it back slightly I don't know if its intended or some unintended consequence of changing something. The Allotek and Tactical assault variants need some looking at their hit detection it still feels off by a lot. |

Pisidon Gmen
Ivory Vanguard
18
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Posted - 2013.12.20 01:33:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:the RR can kill your from outside your rendering distance. At 100m range and beyond actually. with just the std. I mean seriously you can kill someone from so far even if they looked in your direction you couldnt see them.
i dont have any prob most times with players rendering its kind of silly to suggest players are killing u that cant see you |

Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1327
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:11:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:Cosgar wrote:Before anything gets nerfed/buffed, TTK needs to be reevaluated with the better hit detection. After that, sling something as simple as removing the sharpshooter or changing the proficiency skill to something other than raw DPS might fix rifle balance. I've always wondered why it is that the rifles that are short ranged have skills that improve their range (i.e., help alleviate their shortcomings), yet the rifles that are long ranged have no skills to help make up for their shortcomings. Alaika Arbosa wrote:10:1 The people calling for a Combat Rifle nerf are Rail Rifle users. IMHO, the Rail Rifle is stupid OP. Who was the genius that thought the Breach replacement rifle should have the longest range when the breach anythings sacrifice range for damage?
If anything the Rail Rifle is the one that needs a damage nerf if it keeps tje range. The breach variants reduce rate of fire for increased alpha, not range. AFAIK, it is RoF and Range.
At least that is the way I remember it being explained to be way back.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:38:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:Even though the RR is "better", the kick it has is insane. I prefer the CR though because semi auto > full auto. THANK YOU. especially the assault RR. that's why i often just switch to Six Kin Combat Rifle instead of Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle for close ranged engagements.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.01.31 02:40:00 -
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idk the CR feels nerfed right now.... i think it was ninja nerfed
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.31 02:58:00 -
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Currently both rifles are little too strong.
But a nerf isn't needed yet for either.
The new suits/stats might balance it out itself.
Better to have as many variables as possible before tossing the nerf hammers.
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Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.31 03:03:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Why would anyone want to nerf the CR and RR when a SCR fully spec'ed into with 2 damage mods does 500++ damage base!... Plus headshots... so it will one shot pretty much anything... and out damages Thale sniper rifles? Then add shield damage bonus.. So yea that gun needs some tweaking... It's only downfall is facing multiple people... seriously?  RR, CR, ASCR and AR all have parity... The AR has some weird fire delay now it's holding it back slightly I don't know if its intended or some unintended consequence of changing something. The Allotek and Tactical assault variants need some looking at their hit detection it still feels off by a lot. Fun Fact of the Day: Math & facts make you look smarter :D
Now you know!
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