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D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1264	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle? the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubadosPronto saberá justiça I am a Defender of the downtroddenSoon you will discover justice
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 58	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:38:00 - [2] - Quote Both are awesome, I use both. Need I say more? 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT You'd just LOVE to think it was the wind. Dropship Extremist
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2124	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:38:00 - [3] - Quote That rail rifle... bites lower lip Its like the pre-nerf creodon breach assault rifle... "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1264	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:41:00 - [4] - Quote my point is don't nerf either. because nerfing one is prejiducd really... there is just no resean for a nerf right now. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubadosPronto saberá justiça I am a Defender of the downtroddenSoon you will discover justice
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Ahrendee Mercenaries 515	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:42:00 - [5] - Quote Let's not talk about this, they all are good. Let it stay. Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1552	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:42:00 - [6] - Quote tanks...that is all
Cosgar ParagonX 8832	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:44:00 - [7] - Quote Before anything gets nerfed/buffed, TTK needs to be reevaluated with the better hit detection. After that, sling something as simple as removing the sharpshooter or changing the proficiency skill to something other than raw DPS might fix rifle balance. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 268	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:53:00 - [8] - Quote The thing is iam kind of worried what the rusult of a nerf to the CR would be currently its got high dps with a small mag and spread to boot it seems now if they nerf DPS and it keeps spread and its low mag capacity then its getting very close into the useless territory especially if its nerfed and then they decide to increase TTK it will likely take more than 1 mag to kill with it. It seems the weapon has been balenced around doing massive dps, while it doesnt actually have a whole lot more dps that the other rifles. Iam curious why people seem to think its OP iam going to guess its down to the fact that most armor tank now and got used to being able to take so much abuse from anti shield weapons. Perhaps it because when people see minmatar teck they think its ment to be underpowered? who knows
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2172	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:06:00 - [9] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Let's not talk about this, they all are good. Let it stay. Listen to this guy, you can trust him. Hail Satan
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:12:00 - [10] - Quote Wait? People actually think the new rifles are OP? Come on guys, the only thing that could probably be worth looking at is the assault variants, and that's pushing it. (Insert witty phrase here)

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1251	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:16:00 - [11] - Quote I don't want the CR nerfed, or the RR nerfed, I wamt them allmnerfed, all the rifles are too powerful! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1889	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:21:00 - [12] - Quote Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
OSGR Valdez TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:23:00 - [13] - Quote They're equally balanced. CR = CQC RR = Long-range I don't do any better than I did with my AR with the new weapons.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1213	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:27:00 - [14] - Quote the rr is average at CQC the AR and the CR are better at brawls. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Mister0Zz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 99	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:28:00 - [15] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: That rail rifle... bites lower lip Its like the pre-nerf creodon breach assault rifle... MMMMMMMMMMMMMM Rail Rifle...
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1658	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:28:00 - [16] - Quote Recorded a guy that went 65/1 with a RR. They still lost the match becuase he was just sitting there on the pipes instead of getting objectives. Assault CR is deadly at close range, but sucks at long range. RR is deadly at long range but is okay at close range. If I could change anything about the RR it would be to make it have ZERO dispersion while hip firing just like the laser rifle, or massive dispersion like the sniper. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2520	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:30:00 - [17] - Quote Everything is good, everybody STFU.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 655	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:42:00 - [18] - Quote lol all those maxed ar users trying to make ar fotm again.... weapon wise this is the only time i have ever seem almost equal amounts of each weapon type on the field. i get killed by all equally. obviously rr/cr are used a lot recently and thats down to people trying them out and getting the feel for them. nothing more https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 707	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:46:00 - [19] - Quote The RR is a little too good at close range, with a little too accurate hipfire for a rail weapon. Otherwise the new rifles are pretty balanced.... against other rifles. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 655	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:54:00 - [20] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: The RR is a little too good at close range, with a little too accurate hipfire for a rail weapon. Otherwise the new rifles are pretty balanced.... against other rifles. like the AR, or the SCR, or the CR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 479	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:59:00 - [21] - Quote If anything gets nerfed, i think everyone deserves a respec for whatever nerf. *Assassination is my thing.*
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 5	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:04:00 - [22] - Quote The rail replace the heavy machine gun perfectly for heavy it raised m'y kdr but i agree its place is long ranged as the cr is more close ranged. Btw the basic rail is so good i only to ok the fiirst skill level best in estiment in sp eva.... This should prove that its op. when you only need the level 1 at all to get average 15-20kills per match !
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 519	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:19:00 - [23] - Quote for some reason i managed to survive longer against a proto ar while in my mlt free suit than i can against a combat rifle in the same suit or heavy suit. i dont think the problem with the combat rifle is the stated paper damage itself. i think the problem is the damage percentages for that gun. as my time using the std variant ive managed to drop a few proto heavies with just a few bursts from the rifle. not to mention it looks to be the most accurate rapid fire gun in the game right now. since the hipfire crosshairs 4 it pretty much guarantees an easy time aiming. im still a few 100k sp away from unlocking the assault variants for those guns though.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2412	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:20:00 - [24] - Quote I personally think all the rifles need to be toned down. The TTK is too low right now.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 875	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:23:00 - [25] - Quote imo neither of them need a nerf. the rail rifle isn't better than the combat rifle. they are both excellent for different situations. actually the only thing that needs a nerf in this game is the quantity of tanks you can put on the battlefield. reduce that and fix the horrendous lag, and this game will be amazing. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Gregor stormwalker Seraphim Auxiliaries 63	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:31:00 - [26] - Quote RR is getting a change " Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply." so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1104	Posted - 2013.12.17 19:47:00 - [27] - Quote RR is kind of a spray pray in cqc, but the cr to me requires skill, and the ACR isn't what it should be, the kick is ******** compared to a smg or Ar an the clip is out an the guy has 3 HP left. Maybe the cr users in Cqc do well with it on the hip, but I been patient an head shotting like a boss from range an you can't nerf that type of play, honestly rr out dps every weapon I have so if I don't plan a flank n flux they get me everytime
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 874	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:02:00 - [28] - Quote Gregor stormwalker wrote: RR is getting a change " Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply." so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit Role bonuses, it's tagged wrong, now the gallente suit will reduce its fitting requirements. the damage types stay the same The two hybrid types are (Rail, Plasma) Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 1994	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:02:00 - [29] - Quote WHO!? Who wants to nerf my Combat Rifle!? I want names (calling EVE support for Orbital Strike)! 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Gregor stormwalker Seraphim Auxiliaries 63	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:13:00 - [30] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Gregor stormwalker wrote: RR is getting a change " Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply." so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit Role bonuses, it's tagged wrong, now the gallente suit will reduce its fitting requirements. the damage types stay the same The two hybrid types are (Rail, Plasma) ahhh I thought the same tag would have been used for both property to reduce redundancy in the database

Talryn Vilneram SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 78	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:15:00 - [31] - Quote The RR needs a bit of a nerf in close range but the only rifle that needs a buff is the LR... BADLY
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 727	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:16:00 - [32] - Quote Put the old scope back on the AR and I might use it again, I don't care how much SP I sunk into AR, not worth using till I have a scope back. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
lee corwood The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 41	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:02:00 - [33] - Quote Nothing needs to be touched on either of these rifles until they have another look at ttk and balance around the rest of the weapons in general. I know this is shortly after the release and everyone is playing with them, but honestly even before the 1.7 patch, I've seen little to no use of any other type of weapon on the field except for scout shottys. Every weapon should have a place in correct situations and right now, I don't believe that's the case. As far as these two specific weapons in general, I feel they balance themselves out perfectly. A RR across the field is going to win, but my CR in CQC usually wins. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1288	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:14:00 - [34] - Quote All ARs are balanced against each other but the thing that always kills me n every situation is that damn ACR that thing is the bane to all armor suits "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 51	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:24:00 - [35] - Quote it killed me NERF it! it killed me NERF it! it killed me NERF it! imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
Cosgar ParagonX 8847	Posted - 2013.12.17 21:41:00 - [36] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: All ARs are balanced against each other but the thing that always kills me n every situation is that damn ACR that thing is the bane to all armor suits Working as intended I'm afraid. I used to armor tank my Minmatar logi with 200/400 shield/armor. Now I do 330/200 with regulators and speed mods in the lows because that extra mobility matters. Not as much as it should, but it's getting there. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
negative49er The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 417	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:05:00 - [37] - Quote because of all the crybaby armor tankers Dedicated Shotgun Scout
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 714	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:09:00 - [38] - Quote negative49er wrote: because of all the crybaby armor tankers Yup, ScR was king and then everyone went gk.0 with 8 million armor and no shields. ScR not as scary. Along comes the ACR and QQ in 3...2...1... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 322	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:15:00 - [39] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: lol all those maxed ar users trying to make ar fotm again.... weapon wise this is the only time i have ever seem almost equal amounts of each weapon type on the field. i get killed by all equally. obviously rr/cr are used a lot recently and thats down to people trying them out and getting the feel for them. nothing more I saved enough sp to take both to proto level with prof lvl4. My ar's are all proto too, sorry. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1277	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:50:00 - [40] - Quote scr is still rediculous...lol Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubadosPronto saberá justiça I am a Defender of the downtroddenSoon you will discover justice

The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:52:00 - [41] - Quote Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1562	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:57:00 - [42] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt RR has 70 meter range while the CR doesn't. the ARR has a dps which is comparative to the CR easily.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 571	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:05:00 - [43] - Quote Don't see any problem with the rail rifle. I don't like the charge up so it's not my cup of tea. I <3 the CR though. Just not the nasty ACR. Eww.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 383	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:24:00 - [44] - Quote Out of the two guns the RR is the more balanced of the two,if you run the math it's DPS at it's optimal runs close to a AR while the CR doesn't, even though it is a burst weapon,the weapon doesnt have noticable fireing inverals or pasues between shots ,if you just spam the trigger it acts as a automatic weapon. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 445	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:35:00 - [45] - Quote Combat rife is much more powerful for a few reasons. It can kill me just as far as my rail rifle can kill people, only faster. It has far more ammo and ROF than my RR and takes less bullets to get a kill. It doesn't have a negative bounus against shields and has a 5% bounus against armor. It melts shields just as quickly as it does armor. Its burst fire. All this makes it the new fotm.
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:46:00 - [46] - Quote calisk galern wrote: The Furtive Pygmy wrote: Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt RR has 70 meter range while the CR doesn't. the ARR has a dps which is comparative to the CR easily. this is what we call pro's and cons of a gun, CR is the strongest dps gun while RR is the gun with the farthest range, the SCR has the highest burst damage with it's charged shot, while the AR is the jack of all trades. Sorry but 470 dps is nowhere close to over 900 The range is comparable within 20m
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1280	Posted - 2013.12.19 22:49:00 - [47] - Quote the RR can kill your from outside your rendering distance. At 100m range and beyond actually. with just the std. I mean seriously you can kill someone from so far even if they looked in your direction you couldnt see them. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubadosPronto saberá justiça I am a Defender of the downtroddenSoon you will discover justice
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3378	Posted - 2013.12.19 22:50:00 - [48] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle? the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG. All rifles are pretty balanced with each other. Is the laser rifle and OTHER weapons that need a Buff. If you NERF any rifle the balance breaks.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Nirwanda Vaughns 256	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:01:00 - [49] - Quote not saying RR is OP but i have Prof 5 in CR and operation lv1 in RR and my RR kills quicker It's only after we have lost everything, are we free to do anything.... Unless CCP take away your BPOs
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4249	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:27:00 - [50] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: D legendary hero wrote: RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle? the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG. All rifles are pretty balanced with each other. Is the laser rifle and OTHER weapons that need a Buff. If you NERF any rifle the balance breaks.... ALL the Rifles need a slight nerf to come in line with the Laser and other weapons, which are balanced pretty closely to where TTK should be now that hit detection is (mostly) fixed.

LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 796	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:31:00 - [51] - Quote Everyone, shut up! The CR is fine.... It is not FotM. The RR is, but even then, the RR is fine as well. Stop asking for nerfs and start asking for buffs!
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3842	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:31:00 - [52] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate. Yes. And completely gimp alpha weapons in the process. DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 18	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:33:00 - [53] - Quote scramblers need a nurff more then combat rifle but combat rifle is way op in damage per sec 1200 fire rate is way to high compare dps on all weapons not just cause you are killed by 1 more. most AR do more damage or similar to RR avg hp on drop suits seems not to have been looked at when making most weapons esp with all of them having a 25% increse with proficiency then add damage mods more hp or less damage from the high dps weapons its whats needed not crying do to getting killed do to the flavor of the month weapon
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1130	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:39:00 - [54] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: my point is don't nerf either. because nerfing one is prejiducd really... there is just no resean for a nerf right now. Holy cow! I think I actually agree with D for the first time ever. Both of these weapons are actually pretty well balanced with the AR and SCR. Sure the AR's DPS is a bit low by comparison but it can still wreck. CCP just needs to buff the other weapons up to the same level as the rifles and this game will be sweet. Edit: I'm not including the laser rifle in the group of rifles I'm calling internally balanced. It needs a buff along with all the rest of the non-rifle weapons. Fun > Realism
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2332	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:48:00 - [55] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle? the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG. Alot folks don't know what the heck they're talking about. They are both balanced and good for unique situations. Especially a CalLogi fit with a RR. I can keep my distance and lay down support fire while still assisting teammates that surround me. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1327	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:51:00 - [56] - Quote 10:1 The people calling for a Combat Rifle nerf are Rail Rifle users. IMHO, the Rail Rifle is stupid OP. Who was the genius that thought the Breach replacement rifle should have the longest range when the breach anythings sacrifice range for damage? If anything the Rail Rifle is the one that needs a damage nerf if it keeps tje range. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4249	Posted - 2013.12.19 23:58:00 - [57] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate. Yes. And completely gimp alpha weapons in the process. Exactly why they should nerf the high-RoF weapons into line with the TTK we used to have before all the buffs were followed by massive hit detection improvements.
Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 216	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:21:00 - [58] - Quote Even though the RR is "better", the kick it has is insane. I prefer the CR though because semi auto > full auto.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:25:00 - [59] - Quote OP:They are most balanced rifles in game. Support - Tactician/Medic
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 279	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:40:00 - [60] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Before anything gets nerfed/buffed, TTK needs to be reevaluated with the better hit detection. After that, sling something as simple as removing the sharpshooter or changing the proficiency skill to something other than raw DPS might fix rifle balance. I've always wondered why it is that the rifles that are short ranged have skills that improve their range (i.e., help alleviate their shortcomings), yet the rifles that are long ranged have no skills to help make up for their shortcomings. Alaika Arbosa wrote: 10:1 The people calling for a Combat Rifle nerf are Rail Rifle users. IMHO, the Rail Rifle is stupid OP. Who was the genius that thought the Breach replacement rifle should have the longest range when the breach anythings sacrifice range for damage? If anything the Rail Rifle is the one that needs a damage nerf if it keeps tje range. The breach variants reduce rate of fire for increased alpha, not range.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 513	Posted - 2013.12.20 00:44:00 - [61] - Quote Why would anyone want to nerf the CR and RR when a SCR fully spec'ed into with 2 damage mods does 500++ damage base!... Plus headshots... so it will one shot pretty much anything... and out damages Thale sniper rifles? Then add shield damage bonus.. So yea that gun needs some tweaking... It's only downfall is facing multiple people... seriously? RR, CR, ASCR and AR all have parity... The AR has some weird fire delay now it's holding it back slightly I don't know if its intended or some unintended consequence of changing something. The Allotek and Tactical assault variants need some looking at their hit detection it still feels off by a lot.
Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 18	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:33:00 - [62] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: the RR can kill your from outside your rendering distance. At 100m range and beyond actually. with just the std. I mean seriously you can kill someone from so far even if they looked in your direction you couldnt see them. i dont have any prob most times with players rendering its kind of silly to suggest players are killing u that cant see you
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1327	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:11:00 - [63] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Cosgar wrote: Before anything gets nerfed/buffed, TTK needs to be reevaluated with the better hit detection. After that, sling something as simple as removing the sharpshooter or changing the proficiency skill to something other than raw DPS might fix rifle balance. I've always wondered why it is that the rifles that are short ranged have skills that improve their range (i.e., help alleviate their shortcomings), yet the rifles that are long ranged have no skills to help make up for their shortcomings. Alaika Arbosa wrote: 10:1 The people calling for a Combat Rifle nerf are Rail Rifle users. IMHO, the Rail Rifle is stupid OP. Who was the genius that thought the Breach replacement rifle should have the longest range when the breach anythings sacrifice range for damage? If anything the Rail Rifle is the one that needs a damage nerf if it keeps tje range. The breach variants reduce rate of fire for increased alpha, not range. AFAIK, it is RoF and Range. At least that is the way I remember it being explained to be way back. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1052	Posted - 2013.12.20 03:38:00 - [64] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: Even though the RR is "better", the kick it has is insane. I prefer the CR though because semi auto > full auto. THANK YOU. especially the assault RR. that's why i often just switch to Six Kin Combat Rifle instead of Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle for close ranged engagements. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1400	Posted - 2014.01.31 02:40:00 - [65] - Quote idk the CR feels nerfed right now.... i think it was ninja nerfed Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 465	Posted - 2014.01.31 02:58:00 - [66] - Quote Currently both rifles are little too strong. But a nerf isn't needed yet for either. The new suits/stats might balance it out itself. Better to have as many variables as possible before tossing the nerf hammers.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1797	Posted - 2014.01.31 03:03:00 - [67] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Why would anyone want to nerf the CR and RR when a SCR fully spec'ed into with 2 damage mods does 500++ damage base!... Plus headshots... so it will one shot pretty much anything... and out damages Thale sniper rifles? Then add shield damage bonus.. So yea that gun needs some tweaking... It's only downfall is facing multiple people... seriously? RR, CR, ASCR and AR all have parity... The AR has some weird fire delay now it's holding it back slightly I don't know if its intended or some unintended consequence of changing something. The Allotek and Tactical assault variants need some looking at their hit detection it still feels off by a lot. Fun Fact of the Day: Math & facts make you look smarter :D Now you know! New born sAMARRi


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