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Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:15:00 -
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The RR needs a bit of a nerf in close range but the only rifle that needs a buff is the LR... BADLY |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
727
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:16:00 -
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Put the old scope back on the AR and I might use it again, I don't care how much SP I sunk into AR, not worth using till I have a scope back.
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lee corwood
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:02:00 -
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Nothing needs to be touched on either of these rifles until they have another look at ttk and balance around the rest of the weapons in general. I know this is shortly after the release and everyone is playing with them, but honestly even before the 1.7 patch, I've seen little to no use of any other type of weapon on the field except for scout shottys. Every weapon should have a place in correct situations and right now, I don't believe that's the case.
As far as these two specific weapons in general, I feel they balance themselves out perfectly. A RR across the field is going to win, but my CR in CQC usually wins.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1288
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:14:00 -
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All ARs are balanced against each other but the thing that always kills me n every situation is that damn ACR that thing is the bane to all armor suits
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
51
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:24:00 -
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it killed me NERF it!
it killed me NERF it!
it killed me NERF it!
imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:41:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:All ARs are balanced against each other but the thing that always kills me n every situation is that damn ACR that thing is the bane to all armor suits
Working as intended I'm afraid. I used to armor tank my Minmatar logi with 200/400 shield/armor. Now I do 330/200 with regulators and speed mods in the lows because that extra mobility matters. Not as much as it should, but it's getting there.
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negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
417
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:05:00 -
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because of all the crybaby armor tankers
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:09:00 -
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negative49er wrote:because of all the crybaby armor tankers
Yup, ScR was king and then everyone went gk.0 with 8 million armor and no shields. ScR not as scary.
Along comes the ACR and QQ in 3...2...1...
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:15:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:lol all those maxed ar users trying to make ar fotm again.... weapon wise this is the only time i have ever seem almost equal amounts of each weapon type on the field. i get killed by all equally. obviously rr/cr are used a lot recently and thats down to people trying them out and getting the feel for them. nothing more
I saved enough sp to take both to proto level with prof lvl4. My ar's are all proto too, sorry.
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Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1277
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:50:00 -
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scr is still rediculous...lol
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The Furtive Pygmy
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:52:00 -
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Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:57:00 -
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The Furtive Pygmy wrote:Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt
RR has 70 meter range while the CR doesn't.
the ARR has a dps which is comparative to the CR easily. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:05:00 -
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Don't see any problem with the rail rifle. I don't like the charge up so it's not my cup of tea.
I <3 the CR though. Just not the nasty ACR. Eww. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:24:00 -
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Out of the two guns the RR is the more balanced of the two,if you run the math it's DPS at it's optimal runs close to a AR while the CR doesn't, even though it is a burst weapon,the weapon doesnt have noticable fireing inverals or pasues between shots ,if you just spam the trigger it acts as a automatic weapon.
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
445
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:35:00 -
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Combat rife is much more powerful for a few reasons.
It can kill me just as far as my rail rifle can kill people, only faster.
It has far more ammo and ROF than my RR and takes less bullets to get a kill.
It doesn't have a negative bounus against shields and has a 5% bounus against armor.
It melts shields just as quickly as it does armor.
Its burst fire.
All this makes it the new fotm. |
The Furtive Pygmy
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:46:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:The Furtive Pygmy wrote:Because the CR has over 900 dps and the RR doesnt RR has 70 meter range while the CR doesn't. the ARR has a dps which is comparative to the CR easily. this is what we call pro's and cons of a gun, CR is the strongest dps gun while RR is the gun with the farthest range, the SCR has the highest burst damage with it's charged shot, while the AR is the jack of all trades.
Sorry but 470 dps is nowhere close to over 900
The range is comparable within 20m |
D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1280
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:49:00 -
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the RR can kill your from outside your rendering distance. At 100m range and beyond actually. with just the std. I mean seriously you can kill someone from so far even if they looked in your direction you couldnt see them.
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:50:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle?
the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG.
All rifles are pretty balanced with each other.
Is the laser rifle and OTHER weapons that need a Buff.
If you NERF any rifle the balance breaks....
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:01:00 -
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not saying RR is OP but i have Prof 5 in CR and operation lv1 in RR and my RR kills quicker
It's only after we have lost everything, are we free to do anything.... Unless CCP take away your BPOs
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4249
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:27:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:D legendary hero wrote:RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle?
the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG. All rifles are pretty balanced with each other.Is the laser rifle and OTHER weapons that need a Buff.If you NERF any rifle the balance breaks....
ALL the Rifles need a slight nerf to come in line with the Laser and other weapons, which are balanced pretty closely to where TTK should be now that hit detection is (mostly) fixed. |
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
796
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:31:00 -
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Everyone, shut up! The CR is fine....
It is not FotM. The RR is, but even then, the RR is fine as well. Stop asking for nerfs and start asking for buffs! |
Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
3842
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:31:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate.
Yes.
And completely gimp alpha weapons in the process.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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Pisidon Gmen
Ivory Vanguard
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:33:00 -
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scramblers need a nurff more then combat rifle but combat rifle is way op in damage per sec 1200 fire rate is way to high
compare dps on all weapons not just cause you are killed by 1 more.
most AR do more damage or similar to RR
avg hp on drop suits seems not to have been looked at when making most weapons esp with all of them having a 25% increse with proficiency then add damage mods
more hp or less damage from the high dps weapons its whats needed not crying do to getting killed do to the flavor of the month weapon |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1130
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:39:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:my point is don't nerf either. because nerfing one is prejiducd really... there is just no resean for a nerf right now.
Holy cow! I think I actually agree with D for the first time ever.
Both of these weapons are actually pretty well balanced with the AR and SCR. Sure the AR's DPS is a bit low by comparison but it can still wreck.
CCP just needs to buff the other weapons up to the same level as the rifles and this game will be sweet.
Edit: I'm not including the laser rifle in the group of rifles I'm calling internally balanced. It needs a buff along with all the rest of the non-rifle weapons.
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2332
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:48:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle?
the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG.
Alot folks don't know what the heck they're talking about. They are both balanced and good for unique situations.
Especially a CalLogi fit with a RR. I can keep my distance and lay down support fire while still assisting teammates that surround me.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1327
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:51:00 -
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10:1 The people calling for a Combat Rifle nerf are Rail Rifle users. IMHO, the Rail Rifle is stupid OP. Who was the genius that thought the Breach replacement rifle should have the longest range when the breach anythings sacrifice range for damage?
If anything the Rail Rifle is the one that needs a damage nerf if it keeps tje range.
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Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4249
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:58:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate. Yes. And completely gimp alpha weapons in the process.
Exactly why they should nerf the high-RoF weapons into line with the TTK we used to have before all the buffs were followed by massive hit detection improvements. |
Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
216
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:21:00 -
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Even though the RR is "better", the kick it has is insane. I prefer the CR though because semi auto > full auto. |
Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
37
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:25:00 -
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OP:They are most balanced rifles in game.
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
279
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:40:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Before anything gets nerfed/buffed, TTK needs to be reevaluated with the better hit detection. After that, sling something as simple as removing the sharpshooter or changing the proficiency skill to something other than raw DPS might fix rifle balance.
I've always wondered why it is that the rifles that are short ranged have skills that improve their range (i.e., help alleviate their shortcomings), yet the rifles that are long ranged have no skills to help make up for their shortcomings.
Alaika Arbosa wrote:10:1 The people calling for a Combat Rifle nerf are Rail Rifle users. IMHO, the Rail Rifle is stupid OP. Who was the genius that thought the Breach replacement rifle should have the longest range when the breach anythings sacrifice range for damage?
If anything the Rail Rifle is the one that needs a damage nerf if it keeps tje range.
The breach variants reduce rate of fire for increased alpha, not range. |
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