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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:37:00 -
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RR has way better range than all the other ARs, and works wonders in CQC. Why does everyone complain about the combat rifle?
the CR is good in close range, out to mid range and is burst. it works as intended like the SMG.
Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubadosPronto saberá justiça
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Redline Defense Force
Seekers of the Unseen
58
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:38:00 -
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Both are awesome, I use both. Need I say more?
'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT
You'd just LOVE to think it was the wind.
Dropship Extremist
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
2124
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:38:00 -
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That rail rifle...
*bites lower lip*
Its like the pre-nerf creodon breach assault rifle...
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1264
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:41:00 -
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my point is don't nerf either. because nerfing one is prejiducd really... there is just no resean for a nerf right now.
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Ahrendee Mercenaries
515
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:42:00 -
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Let's not talk about this, they all are good. Let it stay.
Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1552
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:42:00 -
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tanks...that is all |
Cosgar
ParagonX
8832
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:44:00 -
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Before anything gets nerfed/buffed, TTK needs to be reevaluated with the better hit detection. After that, sling something as simple as removing the sharpshooter or changing the proficiency skill to something other than raw DPS might fix rifle balance.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
268
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:53:00 -
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The thing is iam kind of worried what the rusult of a nerf to the CR would be currently its got high dps with a small mag and spread to boot it seems now if they nerf DPS and it keeps spread and its low mag capacity then its getting very close into the useless territory especially if its nerfed and then they decide to increase TTK it will likely take more than 1 mag to kill with it. It seems the weapon has been balenced around doing massive dps, while it doesnt actually have a whole lot more dps that the other rifles.
Iam curious why people seem to think its OP iam going to guess its down to the fact that most armor tank now and got used to being able to take so much abuse from anti shield weapons. Perhaps it because when people see minmatar teck they think its ment to be underpowered? who knows |
dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2172
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:06:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Let's not talk about this, they all are good. Let it stay.
Listen to this guy, you can trust him.
Hail Satan
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Spartykins
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
1
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:12:00 -
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Wait? People actually think the new rifles are OP?
Come on guys, the only thing that could probably be worth looking at is the assault variants, and that's pushing it.
(Insert witty phrase here)
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1251
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:16:00 -
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I don't want the CR nerfed, or the RR nerfed, I wamt them allmnerfed, all the rifles are too powerful!
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1889
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:21:00 -
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Buff health across the board. All suits. All health modules. By 25%. Then lets reevaluate.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
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OSGR Valdez
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:23:00 -
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They're equally balanced.
CR = CQC
RR = Long-range
I don't do any better than I did with my AR with the new weapons. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1213
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:27:00 -
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the rr is average at CQC the AR and the CR are better at brawls.
"We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
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Mister0Zz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
99
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:28:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:That rail rifle...
*bites lower lip*
Its like the pre-nerf creodon breach assault rifle...
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM Rail Rifle... |
I-Shayz-I
I-----I
1658
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:28:00 -
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Recorded a guy that went 65/1 with a RR.
They still lost the match becuase he was just sitting there on the pipes instead of getting objectives.
Assault CR is deadly at close range, but sucks at long range. RR is deadly at long range but is okay at close range. If I could change anything about the RR it would be to make it have ZERO dispersion while hip firing just like the laser rifle, or massive dispersion like the sniper.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
2520
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:30:00 -
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Everything is good, everybody STFU. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
655
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:42:00 -
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lol all those maxed ar users trying to make ar fotm again.... weapon wise this is the only time i have ever seem almost equal amounts of each weapon type on the field. i get killed by all equally. obviously rr/cr are used a lot recently and thats down to people trying them out and getting the feel for them. nothing more
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
707
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:46:00 -
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The RR is a little too good at close range, with a little too accurate hipfire for a rail weapon. Otherwise the new rifles are pretty balanced.... against other rifles.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
655
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:54:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:The RR is a little too good at close range, with a little too accurate hipfire for a rail weapon. Otherwise the new rifles are pretty balanced.... against other rifles.
like the AR, or the SCR, or the CR
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
479
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:59:00 -
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If anything gets nerfed, i think everyone deserves a respec for whatever nerf.
Assassination is my thing.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
5
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:04:00 -
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The rail replace the heavy machine gun perfectly for heavy it raised m'y kdr but i agree its place is long ranged as the cr is more close ranged. Btw the basic rail is so good i only to ok the fiirst skill level best in estiment in sp eva.... This should prove that its op. when you only need the level 1 at all to get average 15-20kills per match ! |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
519
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:19:00 -
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for some reason i managed to survive longer against a proto ar while in my mlt free suit than i can against a combat rifle in the same suit or heavy suit.
i dont think the problem with the combat rifle is the stated paper damage itself.
i think the problem is the damage percentages for that gun. as my time using the std variant ive managed to drop a few proto heavies with just a few bursts from the rifle. not to mention it looks to be the most accurate rapid fire gun in the game right now. since the hipfire crosshairs 4 it pretty much guarantees an easy time aiming.
im still a few 100k sp away from unlocking the assault variants for those guns though. |
Kane Fyea
Scions of Athra
2412
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:20:00 -
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I personally think all the rifles need to be toned down. The TTK is too low right now. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
875
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:23:00 -
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imo neither of them need a nerf.
the rail rifle isn't better than the combat rifle. they are both excellent for different situations.
actually the only thing that needs a nerf in this game is the quantity of tanks you can put on the battlefield. reduce that and fix the horrendous lag, and this game will be amazing.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Auxiliaries
63
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:31:00 -
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RR is getting a change
" Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply."
so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1104
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:47:00 -
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RR is kind of a spray pray in cqc, but the cr to me requires skill, and the ACR isn't what it should be, the kick is ******** compared to a smg or Ar an the clip is out an the guy has 3 HP left.
Maybe the cr users in Cqc do well with it on the hip, but I been patient an head shotting like a boss from range an you can't nerf that type of play, honestly rr out dps every weapon I have so if I don't plan a flank n flux they get me everytime |
Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
874
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:02:00 -
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Gregor stormwalker wrote:RR is getting a change
" Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply."
so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit
Role bonuses, it's tagged wrong, now the gallente suit will reduce its fitting requirements. the damage types stay the same
The two hybrid types are (Rail, Plasma)
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
1994
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:02:00 -
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WHO!?
Who wants to nerf my Combat Rifle!?
I want names (calling EVE support for Orbital Strike)!
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Auxiliaries
63
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:13:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Gregor stormwalker wrote:RR is getting a change
" Added hybrid tag to Rail Rifle so that the correct role bonuses apply."
so it was ether not tagged or had a projectile tag on it for damage type this may change things up a little bit Role bonuses, it's tagged wrong, now the gallente suit will reduce its fitting requirements. the damage types stay the same The two hybrid types are (Rail, Plasma)
ahhh I thought the same tag would have been used for both property to reduce redundancy in the database |
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