DUST Search - Ever Get Those Games Where You Think "what's the point?

Niuvo wrote:

CrotchGrab 360 wrote:

So I'm against 3 corps with only randoms on my side.

We have no choice but to run 300m to the next objective on open ground,
the enemy have us scanned 100s of metres away so they know we're coming.

Then we FINALLY get to the objective, and we get orbitaled, 4 times in a row.

So if somebody is in a squad and they're destroying new players, they can just press X
and completely destroy new players?

Why can you get orbitals so easily? half of the matches progress was just WASTED because somebody
has an "i win" button, it's just humiliating and embarrassing. I want games to have a purpose,
right now there is no purpose other than to lose ISK and struggle.

Oh and here's an idea, when 2 squads queue up for the same game, how about put one squad on one side
and the other squad (wait for it) ON THE OTHER SIDE!

You should only be able to get orbitals if you, yourself, as the squad leader, contribute heavily to the game.
You shouldn't be able to group up with all your buddies, kill MLT suits and benefit from it.
You should have to take down proto suits, destroy tanks, take the objective.

I feel your grief. and yes I ask myself what is the point to the game?? It's a little sad and certain ppl are finding it fun to pubstomp new players and redline them. Dark, dark times in dust.

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CrotchGrab 360 581	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:42:00 - [1] - Quote So I'm against 3 corps with only randoms on my side. We have no choice but to run 300m to the next objective on open ground, the enemy have us scanned 100s of metres away so they know we're coming. Then we FINALLY get to the objective, and we get orbitaled, 4 times in a row. So if somebody is in a squad and they're destroying new players, they can just press X and completely destroy new players? Why can you get orbitals so easily? half of the matches progress was just WASTED because somebody has an "i win" button, it's just humiliating and embarrassing. I want games to have a purpose, right now there is no purpose other than to lose ISK and struggle. Oh and here's an idea, when 2 squads queue up for the same game, how about put one squad on one side and the other squad (wait for it) ON THE OTHER SIDE! You should only be able to get orbitals if you, yourself, as the squad leader, contribute heavily to the game. You shouldn't be able to group up with all your buddies, kill MLT suits and benefit from it. You should have to take down proto suits, destroy tanks, take the objective.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6317	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:43:00 - [2] - Quote Pubmatch orbitals are a terrible mechanic. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
CrotchGrab 360 584	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:50:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Pubmatch orbitals are a terrible mechanic. they make me cry, these players weren't very good either, they dropped like everyone else but all bunched up in one doorway scanning you, dropping orbies, UGH. What these people do is just wait for you to come so you only have ONE entrance to hit them from, and you'll have 10 people shooting at you so what's the point?
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1075	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:55:00 - [4] - Quote When matches are like that, its not even worth staying. Sometimes its just smarter to leave the match instead of headbutting the wall over, and over.
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 4	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:16:00 - [5] - Quote Seems to me that its more like your tactics were off rather than the game being "wrong". 1. Running over open ground and in plain sight will ALWAYS be dangerous (it's dangerous in real world war zones too). By not sticking to cover and letting yourself be seen you give the enemy all sorts of options of nasty surprises for you. They might meet you head on and shoot you, they might lie in Wait to snipe you, they might hide and jump up and ambush you the minute you think a position is safe or (as in your case) they note down your position and call in an artillery strike on you. So the question is: why do you think that you should've "made it" while making a huge tactical error like running several hundred meters in open terrain without any sort of cover or reconnoisance work? Why didn't you sneak more? Why didn't you plant a "safety drop uplink" during your hike in case you got ambushed so you could spawn in closer? Why didn't you use a vehicle to protect you? 2. If it was a skirmish match, then why were you stubbornly trying to capture an objective that was clearly guarded and fubar to begin with? You say they dropped 4 consecutive orbitals on that position, that means that the people who dropped them are idiots and really wasted an important asset like 4 available orbitals. What you should've done once you noticed that the objective was heavily guarded was to just let it go and gun as fast as possible for any of the other enemy held null cannons on the map. (the enemy can rarely be guarding every objective adequately at the same time, and if you observe the strategical map before spawning you can usually get a good hint of which objectives are heavily guarded and which are not) Hopefully you learned something from this...
CrotchGrab 360 591	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:19:00 - [6] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Seems to me that its more like your tactics were off rather than the game being "wrong". 1. Running over open ground and in plain sight will ALWAYS be dangerous (it's dangerous in real world war zones too). By not sticking to cover and letting yourself be seen you give the enemy all sorts of options of nasty surprises for you. THEY WERE SCANNING ME FROM 200M AWAY, THERE IS NO COVER ON OPEN GROUND, THERE IS NO COVER ON THAT MAP So the question is: why do you think that you should've "made it" while making a huge tactical error like running several hundred meters in open terrain without any sort of cover or reconnoisance work? I DIDN'T. THEY WERE SCANNING ME FROM 200M AWAY Why didn't you sneak more? THEY WERE SCANNING ME FROM 200M AWAY Why didn't you plant a "safety drop uplink" during your hike in case you got ambushed so you could spawn in closer? Why didn't you use a vehicle to protect you? BECAUSE EVERY UPLINK WE DROPPED GOT CAMPED 2. If it was a skirmish match, then why were you stubbornly trying to capture an objective that was clearly guarded and fubar to begin with? WE COULDN'T CAPTURE ANY OBJECTIVES, BECAUSE THEY WERE SCANNING US FROM 200M AWAY. Hopefully you learned something from this... I LEARNED SO MUCH, PLEASE TELL ME MORE.
CrotchGrab 360 591	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:21:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: When matches are like that, its not even worth staying. Sometimes its just smarter to leave the match instead of headbutting the wall over, and over. True, part of me finds it hard to leave matches though. trying to grind my way to SCR Prof 5 on my alt, got about 670K SP so far, should have it by Thursday I guess, can't see me having a lot left in the cap.
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 4	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:37:00 - [8] - Quote Seriously? Your reply is: "they were scanning me, boohoohoo"? You got owned, and you made tactical errors. Deal with it and get smarter.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4946	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:43:00 - [9] - Quote Most of the time yes....I should never be able to top the kill boards with WP and kills....yet I consistently do. I am a Tank Scrub, meaning I'm pretty decent, but not that good.......where the hell are the good slayers from back in the day who would go 50+ kills easily cap all points and take down enemy tanks with their Side arms? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2145	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:45:00 - [10] - Quote Pretty much every time I run solo, doesn't matter if it's FW or pubs. I only ever get blueberries that don't know how to push, so they just sit back and try to shoot **** at a Sniper's range with their SMGs and Shotguns. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1281	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:54:00 - [11] - Quote 3 ambush matches in a row Nyain San, 4 tanks, logis, grenades and scanners all on the enemy side. It was a slaughter house "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
drake sadani Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 96	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:01:00 - [12] - Quote i will often times say boohoo get better . but when a imbalance that ruins the game for new players crops up. it needs to be addressed . if it is not then you just shoot yourself in the foot. the response quit crying will result in you driving around in a expensive LAV looking for the one other person playing
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:48:00 - [13] - Quote drake sadani wrote: i will often times say boohoo get better . but when a imbalance that ruins the game for new players crops up. it needs to be addressed . if it is not then you just shoot yourself in the foot. the response quit crying will result in you driving around in a expensive LAV looking for the one other person playing I agree, with the attitude of " well if you don't like it leave,go find another game", most players will do just that and the game will die
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI 40	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:59:00 - [14] - Quote I ask myself that evey time i wake up in the morning, but i just sigh and turn on dust. The Metalhead Mercenary
Palatinate Fatal Absolution 124	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:07:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Most of the time yes....I should never be able to top the kill boards with WP and kills....yet I consistently do. I am a Tank Scrub, meaning I'm pretty decent, but not that good.......where the hell are the good slayers from back in the day who would go 50+ kills easily cap all points and take down enemy tanks with their Side arms? You're talking about Ill Omens, Seraphim Initiative, Internal Error, Swarm of Sushi, Imperfects, Teamplayers, Rebelles a Quebec, What the French, Impswarm, Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz and Unreal. Sadly most or all of these corps are dead or rarely play anymore (except WTF). R.I.P Stupid people will never change, you can try but that's just stupid. - Palatinate
abarkrishna WarRavens 178	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:20:00 - [16] - Quote Step one skill into profile dampening. Step two. Use profile dampeners. If that does not work you could always resort to step three. Step three. Play a different game because you clearly are not cut for this one. Make sure to donate your isk(if you even have any) to a player in need. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 79	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:48:00 - [17] - Quote Yes because as we all know 1 complex dampener allows you to hide from dB 15 scans. We also know that new players are going to spends over 130% of their starting SP on level 5 profile dampening and run MLT on everything so they won't be scanned in Ambush. They will still get sniper by charge rifles at 500m with the sentinels head just visible. Have matches of 6 new berries vs one squad with dropship and tank support using active scanners, black suits sitting on hives spamming grenades, etc PC is a meat grinder and if the best advice is spend all your SP on profile dampening until it hurts and then some more then please don't HTFU or suck on a spoonful of cement. Think, test and then some basic maths shows that your solution barely works for 2 million isk (2 mths playing passive) not first month players. BTW you can stack Dampeners... 3 basic on a MLT Gallente Medium ... Still wont evade proto scanners and the stompers who squat on Ambush do use them. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 680	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:49:00 - [18] - Quote When I get in matches like that I call in a LAV and just go on a joyride. Fun fact: Bushes are made of cardboard and will pop up from the ground in an effort to scare you and/or test your reaction time. Considering you can run right through them and that, well, it's a bush, they are incredibly bad at both. CCP, Geth Infiltrator is OP! plz nerf.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 716	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:50:00 - [19] - Quote Something went wrong with Scotty the matchmaker AI Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 423	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:51:00 - [20] - Quote Every match.

PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 34	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:23:00 - [21] - Quote Get this a lot, but I can never seem to just leave. I just keep pushing and when the screen says 'DEFEATED' I say 'Well at least I got paid.' I always try (it doesn't always work) to have fun when I'm playing. Plus the ragdoll hangtime from a few well placed remotes is always funny.XD And plus killing people whilst your screen reads 'YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED' is funny as well.-That is all. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Scout Devotee. You'd just LOVE to think it was the wind.
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 867	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:28:00 - [22] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: So I'm against 3 corps with only randoms on my side. We have no choice but to run 300m to the next objective on open ground, the enemy have us scanned 100s of metres away so they know we're coming. Then we FINALLY get to the objective, and we get orbitaled, 4 times in a row. So if somebody is in a squad and they're destroying new players, they can just press X and completely destroy new players? Why can you get orbitals so easily? half of the matches progress was just WASTED because somebody has an "i win" button, it's just humiliating and embarrassing. I want games to have a purpose, right now there is no purpose other than to lose ISK and struggle. Oh and here's an idea, when 2 squads queue up for the same game, how about put one squad on one side and the other squad (wait for it) ON THE OTHER SIDE! You should only be able to get orbitals if you, yourself, as the squad leader, contribute heavily to the game. You shouldn't be able to group up with all your buddies, kill MLT suits and benefit from it. You should have to take down proto suits, destroy tanks, take the objective. I feel your grief. and yes I ask myself what is the point to the game?? It's a little sad and certain ppl are finding it fun to pubstomp new players and redline them. Dark, dark times in dust.
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 10	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:43:00 - [23] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Step one skill into profile dampening. Step two. Use profile dampeners. If that does not work you could always resort to step three. Step three. Play a different game because you clearly are not cut for this one. Make sure to donate your isk(if you even have any) to a player in need. You just perfectly illustrated my point, this attitude will cause all the new players to leave and give up, then all the cool experienced players will leave as well because there is no diversity in the community, and all that will be left will be a bunch of arrogant jerks like you. It won't be fun for you because you can't protostomp the newbies, then you will become bored with the game as well. It really is your attitude that is ruining this game.
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 10	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:44:00 - [24] - Quote Niuvo wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: So I'm against 3 corps with only randoms on my side. We have no choice but to run 300m to the next objective on open ground, the enemy have us scanned 100s of metres away so they know we're coming. Then we FINALLY get to the objective, and we get orbitaled, 4 times in a row. So if somebody is in a squad and they're destroying new players, they can just press X and completely destroy new players? Why can you get orbitals so easily? half of the matches progress was just WASTED because somebody has an "i win" button, it's just humiliating and embarrassing. I want games to have a purpose, right now there is no purpose other than to lose ISK and struggle. Oh and here's an idea, when 2 squads queue up for the same game, how about put one squad on one side and the other squad (wait for it) ON THE OTHER SIDE! You should only be able to get orbitals if you, yourself, as the squad leader, contribute heavily to the game. You shouldn't be able to group up with all your buddies, kill MLT suits and benefit from it. You should have to take down proto suits, destroy tanks, take the objective. I feel your grief. and yes I ask myself what is the point to the game?? It's a little sad and certain ppl are finding it fun to pubstomp new players and redline them. Dark, dark times in dust. yes, i agree, being on either side of a redlined protostomp is boring, its really these jerks that are ruining this game
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 955	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:50:00 - [25] - Quote 4 times in a row?... What was it that guy said; Fool me once, shame on you, shame you twice, fool on me... (or something to that effect)
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 4	Posted - 2013.12.17 12:28:00 - [26] - Quote drake sadani wrote: i will often times say boohoo get better . but when a imbalance that ruins the game for new players crops up. it needs to be addressed . if it is not then you just shoot yourself in the foot. the response quit crying will result in you driving around in a expensive LAV looking for the one other person playing This game is inherently imbalanced due to the skillpoints mechanics. Anyone getting into dust514 should reasonably be aware of the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE for all players to be "equal" when the newly created characters only have a couple of hundred thousand skillpoints, and the vets have several millions. The very point of the game is imbalance. You're not supposed to win against long time players using proto fits. And also, the "imbalance" adressed in this thread wasn't an imbalance at all. It was just bad tactics on the OP's part.
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 4	Posted - 2013.12.17 12:34:00 - [27] - Quote sira draco wrote: abarkrishna wrote: Step one skill into profile dampening. Step two. Use profile dampeners. If that does not work you could always resort to step three. Step three. Play a different game because you clearly are not cut for this one. Make sure to donate your isk(if you even have any) to a player in need. You just perfectly illustrated my point, this attitude will cause all the new players to leave and give up, then all the cool experienced players will leave as well because there is no diversity in the community, and all that will be left will be a bunch of arrogant jerks like you. It won't be fun for you because you can't protostomp the newbies, then you will become bored with the game as well. It really is your attitude that is ruining this game. You mean like in Eve-online, where newbies totally never get ganked in high sec space, and everyone goes easy on them whwnever they try to go out into nullsec on their own without back-up and a properly fitted ship? Oh wait! That NEVER happens! Eve online has a brutal learning curve and no one is playing it "soft" with anyone else, regardless of experience. Yet somehow, the Eve galaxy is rather populated with active players for some reason. Why is that? If Eve is brutal to the noobs, then so should dust.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4752	Posted - 2013.12.17 12:50:00 - [28] - Quote It may be a good time to apply the Jihad jeep tactic on infantry Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 737	Posted - 2013.12.17 12:55:00 - [29] - Quote Every time I see somebody on the enemy team using an active scanner, I just think to myself: "What's the point of investing on profile dampening when they know I'm there anyway?" I mean, I've invested several million SP into improving my scout suit level and maxing out my profile dampening skill, and as soon as somebody comes in with an active scanner, even a basic one, they'll know I'm there. Even if I can avoid their scanner and not get picked up, they know I'm there because of the damn margin of error. And if that isn't enough for them, they can just switch to a Duvolle focused scanner, and unless I use a proto Gallente scout with all low slots filled with profile dampeners and gimp my already weak tank, they'll find me and kill me with their Duvolle assault rifles. Just three ******* words can completely ruin the entire point of my suit, and it upsets me greatly. /scout-rant Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 13th
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution 32	Posted - 2013.12.17 13:59:00 - [30] - Quote In these situations where 'there was 6 squads of X and Y on the other side and all our blueberries were in the redline playing charades'... the people always seem to be playing solo? Maybe the solution is just join a squad.. Seriously this game strongly benefits team-play and coordination, unless you're some kind of misanthropist b*stard who hates all human interaction, why not just use the squad-finder? Or even better, join an active corporation?



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