lol yeah 3-4 players hunting one tank. Problem is that there is always like 6 tanks on the field now.... That's with your numbers 12-18 infantry needed to take em on.

I kind of liked the active-booster-making-tanks-weak-during-cooldown thing...

The problem is that they got ******** increase in speed and ******** decrease in cost also, and al av got nerfed to sh-ít on top of that.

Yeah tanks was crap in 1,6 but this is just a joke period.

2 wrong don't make 1 right CCP

Idea for making AV more prevalent without really changing the damage, add tread HP. Hitting the treads with a forge gun should disable it to the point where it can barely move, until it recovers somehow. Proximity mines and AV grenades should only do damage to the treads and not the main hull, swarm launchers can only do damage to the hull, plasma cannons should do direct damage to whatever it hits and splash to the rest, forge guns are just for everything. This way AV is still relatively weak but could easily overwhelm a tanker who gets unlucky.

Hell 1 guy with AV grenades and remote explosives could take down a complex tank if he just got within range, tends to even the odds a bit huh?

YES.

That's why you don't only need infantry, you need tanks, and that makes sense, they got the concept right but there's not too much of a point for infantry to use AV except for support and helping tanks kill other tanks quicker. That's the only thing I have a problem with is that they managed to add another dimension to the combat and make vehicle more usable, but someone who is maxed out in forge guns or swarms should be able to kill a militia tank.

I understand what you are saying and respecting it, however I TOTALY disagree with you.

If the tanks are to be as they are now the cost if running them must increase like 10 times.
And the tank should be weak when in cool down, however no it's just runs away like a rabbit on speed. Where is the RISK running a tank?

When you are in combat you have crazy almost god mode resistance/rep etc, when you run out you just "fly away" and if you do loose the tank no big deal, cheep as F any way.

So 3 guys in proto gear where ONE cost more then your tank is not a issue ?

Failure to c al this is just ignorance.

Again tanks was crap in 1,6 but this is a bad joke in a try to balance them.

I RL a infantry can take out a tank. I know I have done it in RL war.... Even with normal fu+ºking dynamite and a sling shoot.

Grrrrrr the RL example is mute I know... Just frustrated lol =ƒÿé=ƒÿé=ƒÿé=ƒÿé=ƒÿé

The thing is that rock doesn't want to be beaten.

Rock = Vehicles (especially the HAV)
Scissors = infantry (anti-personnel)
Paper = Infantry (Anti-Vehicle)

But now the HAV rock has been given a sixty inch (152cm) fan to keep paper off of it.
The DS rock has been able to fly away from paper for a while now and was relatively recently given the ability to shoot back. It's fine where it is though AV getting shorter and shorter range and lowered damage is taking a DS more and more of a challenge. (Futile with swarms at the moment.)
The LAV rock is fine where it is.

The situation has evolved to the point where now, in general and assuming experienced pilots that know what they're doing...

HAV rock beats everything, DS rock can avoid everything but HAV rock.
Scissors beat other scissors, paper, and rarely rock. (As expected)
Paper rarely beats anything. (Except LAV rock)

So the Rock/Paper/Scissors aspect of the game is pretty much dead at the moment.

I just gotta say I think that game is just silly, how the hell does paper win against a rock? It's a piece of paper lol.

They should really go with more of a hammer and spear approach, infantry is the spear and vehicles are the hammer, they're big, clunky and can do alot of brute force damage, infantry is small and precise and can do alot of damage to a single point, vehicles just don't have a single point to attack, forcing infantry to be more like a hammer which can't really be done with nerfed AV.

I'm basically rerouting everyone on this post to my other one about tread HP and mobility damage as a way to disable vehicles and make them vulnerable, give them a weak spot for infantry to strike. Check it out.

With tanks as cheap as they are right now? Let em cry about it, at that point it's just alphamale douchebags wanting to be invincible and pwn all noobs. At least that way everyone has a fair chance of killing anything so the fight isn't 1 sided and it still allows tanks and other vehicles to not be restricted to people who are rich and don't care about tossing cash away.

I don't see why we should restrict the number of tanks of the field just like I don't see a reason for restricting the number of shotgunners, have you seen a squad full of shotgunners? The problem isn't that tanks are powerful, they should be powerful, it's that infantry can't do ****, now that tanks are cheap enough they could suffer to be lost more easily and give infantry a shot.

There is a limit to the number of tanks that can be fielded without hurting your team.

It's called the cool down and it removes the pilot from the fight for an extended period of time.
If the cool down is balanced against the extra damage the tank can do it will render the pilot just as effective as infantry.

The idea is that a vehicle is a high alpha attack with a very low RoF. In this case the RoF refers to the number of times it can go into active mode in a match.

That is the rational for allowing a solo tank.

This is why we need railgun installations with hit points of CRUs.
As, while we as infantry can't drive back a tank the installation sure can.

There is a limit to the number of tanks that can be fielded without hurting your team.

It's called the cool down and it removes the pilot from the fight for an extended period of time.
If the cool down is balanced against the extra damage the tank can do it will render the pilot just as effective as infantry.

The idea is that a vehicle is a high alpha attack with a very low RoF. In this case the RoF refers to the number of times it can go into active mode in a match.

That is the rational for allowing a solo tank.

Yeah. Because forty seconds of cool down is a really long time when compared to thirty seconds of super damage resistance.

Gonna say this to you again. That's with everything maxed out to level 5. That's a ton of SP. A scrub isn't going to invest in that, a dedicated tanker is. He should be rewarded for his investment.

And forty seconds is a lot of time to set up a minefield where the vehicle is traveling, or run to the nearby supply depot and switch to your AV fit, or just bug out of there.

Ya know what, everyone has been complaining about this whole 1 sided combat thing, basically that infantry can kill any vehicle besides tanks, that basically there should be some checks and balances or "rock-paper-scissor" system involved, think what they don't realize is that it is in here and they just want infantry to be all powerful again.

Think about it this way, infantry can kill infantry, they can also kill dropships but tanks are tougher, tanks can kill infantry and other tanks, but dropships are tougher, dropships can kill infantry and tanks (with a little work) but other dropships are a little more difficult, yes that's a bit discontinuous but I think the game is in a good place when if you're faced with a tank, the preferable thing to do is to get another tank or a dropship to kill it. Tanks still need some work because if a prototype forge gun can't kill a militia tank on it's own there's something wrong lol, same goes for small turrets on dropships with a couple of clips you should be able to kill a tank and not have it be this difficult.

Getting off topic, the main thing people don't realize is that now if you want to kill a tank or at least get a tank off your back, you need another tank, this is a good thing, this makes sense. you have this big rolling imposing behemoth in the street going unchecked, it's doing alot of damage and you can't kill it, is that CCP's fault? No, that's your fault, get a soma, put a hardener, a railgun, a scanner, and a fuel injector on it, costs like 90k and you can kill that tank or at least drive it off or give it something else to shoot at.

Yes if like 3 people have swarm launchers or a couple forge guns you should be able to kill a tank but that's not where the game stands right now and it hopefully will in the future, but for now it's not that hard to just get your own tanks and have infantry and tanks fighting parallel instead of everyone ganging up on infantry and preventing you from doing your job, if they have tanks and you don't you should be at a disadvantage, this makes sense.