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darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 208	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:07:00 - [1] - Quote Ho even postes those threads are annoying tankers tryingto take advantage of their current situation Tank need a nerf in speed and the railgun needs a damage nerf-simple "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 260	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:08:00 - [2] - Quote nerf the mods by 50%
Cosgar ParagonX 8672	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:10:00 - [3] - Quote What about infantry that say tanks aren't OP? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 208	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:12:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: What about infantry that say tanks aren't OP? they also play with tanks Everyone hates tanks "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 380	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:12:00 - [5] - Quote Tanks aren't THAT bad. AV just needs to be rethought. We need EWAR. Other things like Proxies need to be resurrected to be of some use. It's the lack of these things with the added AV Nerf that has made tanks too powerful, not the tanks themselves I feel. We need these added to AV quickly or else we will just buff damage and then the cycle will restart.
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 260	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:12:00 - [6] - Quote Cosgar wrote: What about infantry that say tanks aren't OP? They will be tarred and feathered
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 208	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:14:00 - [7] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Tanks aren't THAT bad. AV just needs to be rethought. We need EWAR. Other things like Proxies need to be resurrected to be of some use. It's the lack of these things with the added AV Nerf that has made tanks too powerful, not the tanks themselves I feel. We need these added to AV quickly or else we will just buff damage and then the cycle will restart. Im not saying their heath is OP but they get out of a situation faster then a F&king dropship "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results*." - Albert Einstein
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 260	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:15:00 - [8] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Tanks aren't THAT bad. AV just needs to be rethought. We need EWAR. Other things like Proxies need to be resurrected to be of some use. It's the lack of these things with the added AV Nerf that has made tanks too powerful, not the tanks themselves I feel. We need these added to AV quickly or else we will just buff damage and then the cycle will restart. Im not saying their heath is OP but they get out of a situation faster then a F*&king dropship Their active mods also last too long or have too short of a cool down
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 208	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:17:00 - [9] - Quote Text Grant wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Tanks aren't THAT bad. AV just needs to be rethought. We need EWAR. Other things like Proxies need to be resurrected to be of some use. It's the lack of these things with the added AV Nerf that has made tanks too powerful, not the tanks themselves I feel. We need these added to AV quickly or else we will just buff damage and then the cycle will restart. Im not saying their heath is OP but they get out of a situation faster then a F&king dropship Their active mods also last too long or have too short of a cool down nonono thay are tanks they are sposed to take damage but go really slow "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results*." - Albert Einstein
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 261	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:21:00 - [10] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Text Grant wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Tanks aren't THAT bad. AV just needs to be rethought. We need EWAR. Other things like Proxies need to be resurrected to be of some use. It's the lack of these things with the added AV Nerf that has made tanks too powerful, not the tanks themselves I feel. We need these added to AV quickly or else we will just buff damage and then the cycle will restart. Im not saying their heath is OP but they get out of a situation faster then a F*&king dropship Their active mods also last too long or have too short of a cool down nonono thay are tanks they are sposed to take damage but go really slow Infantry < Tanks Anti Vehicle < Infantry Tanks <... nothing See where this all screws up?

demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 289	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:23:00 - [11] - Quote Text Grant wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Text Grant wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Tanks aren't THAT bad. AV just needs to be rethought. We need EWAR. Other things like Proxies need to be resurrected to be of some use. It's the lack of these things with the added AV Nerf that has made tanks too powerful, not the tanks themselves I feel. We need these added to AV quickly or else we will just buff damage and then the cycle will restart. Im not saying their heath is OP but they get out of a situation faster then a F*&king dropship Their active mods also last too long or have too short of a cool down nonono thay are tanks they are sposed to take damage but go really slow Infantry < Tanks Anti Vehicle < Infantry Tanks <... nothing See where this all screws up? except the part where my militia forge gun with av nades still kills ever tank i find if i actually decided to go after the tank instead of having fun with the new rifles
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 208	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:24:00 - [12] - Quote Text Grant wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Text Grant wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Tanks aren't THAT bad. AV just needs to be rethought. We need EWAR. Other things like Proxies need to be resurrected to be of some use. It's the lack of these things with the added AV Nerf that has made tanks too powerful, not the tanks themselves I feel. We need these added to AV quickly or else we will just buff damage and then the cycle will restart. Im not saying their heath is OP but they get out of a situation faster then a F&king dropship Their active mods also last too long or have too short of a cool down nonono thay are tanks they are sposed to take damage but go really slow Dropship < Anti Vehicle Anti Vehicle < Infantry Infantry < Tanks Tanks <... nothing See where this all screws up? fixed it "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results*." - Albert Einstein
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 261	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:29:00 - [13] - Quote I honestly haven't seen a dropship this build to know. But I called in a soma and sat through 2 clips of a corp mates mlt forge gun without moving with 0 active mods
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 208	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:35:00 - [14] - Quote Text Grant wrote: I honestly haven't seen a dropship this build to know. But I called in a soma and sat through 2 clips of a corp mates mlt forge gun without moving with 0 active mods No dropships because they were not buffed just changed and now tanks are spammed and rail guns instakill everything "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 289	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:38:00 - [15] - Quote however they are still extremely annoying and why the **** dont we have an infantry only mode for skirmish/dom/ambush?
Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:39:00 - [16] - Quote Tanks are fine. But way too cheap.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 279	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:39:00 - [17] - Quote Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard.
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 208	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:41:00 - [18] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard. no not balance because then 3 lucky guys will destroy everyone "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 279	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:42:00 - [19] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard. no not balance because then 3 lucky guys will destroy everyone Good. They should. Thats 3 infantry weapons off the field. Plus with the swarm lock on range Nerf, tanks can now be easily defended by infantry. Balance.
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 263	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:43:00 - [20] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard. In war it has always taken one DEVOTED anti vehicle infantry to kill one tank. Heck one infantry can kill 6 tanks in under one minute today. AV should beat V or AV becomes pointless.

ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 24	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:48:00 - [21] - Quote Text Grant wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Tanks aren't THAT bad. AV just needs to be rethought. We need EWAR. Other things like Proxies need to be resurrected to be of some use. It's the lack of these things with the added AV Nerf that has made tanks too powerful, not the tanks themselves I feel. We need these added to AV quickly or else we will just buff damage and then the cycle will restart. Im not saying their heath is OP but they get out of a situation faster then a F*&king dropship Their active mods also last too long or have too short of a cool down my shield hardener takes almost a minute to regen, tan hardener for me, 40 seconds CD
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 279	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:50:00 - [22] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard. In war it has always taken one DEVOTED anti vehicle infantry to kill one tank. Heck one infantry can kill 6 tanks in under one minute today. AV should beat V or AV becomes pointless. This is false. An AT-4 can penetrate the armor of a T-72 tank. 14 inches of armor penetration. No lock on, dumb fire only Single shot, then useless Cannot be reloaded Does not replace the main weapon. Thats AV today. The LAW is the same in a smaller package. And neither can penetrate into the new Russian tanks.
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 24	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:51:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Tanks are fine. But way too cheap. tanks take a good match to restock, if price goes any higher then we have 1.6 again
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 24	Posted - 2013.12.14 08:52:00 - [24] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard. In war it has always taken one DEVOTED anti vehicle infantry to kill one tank. Heck one infantry can kill 6 tanks in under one minute today. AV should beat V or AV becomes pointless. atim or checkmate, GTFO this isn't real life, we also die in 1-2 bullets in real life
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 264	Posted - 2013.12.14 09:25:00 - [25] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Text Grant wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard. In war it has always taken one DEVOTED anti vehicle infantry to kill one tank. Heck one infantry can kill 6 tanks in under one minute today. AV should beat V or AV becomes pointless. This is false. An AT-4 can penetrate the armor of a T-72 tank. 14 inches of armor penetration. No lock on, dumb fire only Single shot, then useless Cannot be reloaded Does not replace the main weapon. Thats AV today. The LAW is the same in a smaller package. And neither can penetrate into the new Russian tanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv7sBh5aMv0 This is AV that i know about today that sounds alot better than what you said. FGM-148 Javelin
Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 264	Posted - 2013.12.14 09:27:00 - [26] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Text Grant wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard. In war it has always taken one DEVOTED anti vehicle infantry to kill one tank. Heck one infantry can kill 6 tanks in under one minute today. AV should beat V or AV becomes pointless. atim or checkmate, GTFO this isn't real life, we also die in 1-2 bullets in real life Yes we do. But I don't want the game to be like real life. I want the paper rock scissors like real life. When something is made with the purpose to do something it should do it.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 423	Posted - 2013.12.14 09:35:00 - [27] - Quote Text Grant wrote: I honestly haven't seen a dropship this build to know. But I called in a soma and sat through 2 clips of a corp mates mlt forge gun without moving with 0 active mods We don't have passive mods, and HP is around 6,000 so that's at most 6shots unless you were comparing with an armor plate on (which the hardener units don't use) to intentionally skew your results. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
CommanderBolt Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 422	Posted - 2013.12.14 09:54:00 - [28] - Quote Its not that tanks are OP - Granted there speed is a little on the fast side. The real problem is were looking at it wrong. Railgun installations counter tanks splendidly well. Will we get to deploy our own turrets? Forge guns still put in work, RE equipped jihad cars kill tanks very easily. Swarms on the other hand are more of a deterrent than an actual counter, I think swarms need to be improved a little bit. GUYS - The main problem is we need all of the elements in the game before we can truly achieve balance. The other racial vehicles, the other racial heavy suits as well as being able to drop in our own installations and turrets. Then we can actually sit down and work out correct stats and stuff. It will always be a juggling act until we reach that point I think.
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 208	Posted - 2013.12.14 10:05:00 - [29] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Its not that tanks are OP - Granted there speed is a little on the fast side. The real problem is were looking at it wrong. Railgun installations counter tanks splendidly well. Will we get to deploy our own turrets? Forge guns still put in work, RE equipped jihad cars kill tanks very easily. Swarms on the other hand are more of a deterrent than an actual counter, I think swarms need to be improved a little bit. GUYS - The main problem is we need all of the elements in the game before we can truly achieve balance. The other racial vehicles, the other racial heavy suits as well as being able to drop in our own installations and turrets. Then we can actually sit down and work out correct stats and stuff. It will always be a juggling act until we reach that point I think. well for now we need balace with what we have "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 280	Posted - 2013.12.14 10:12:00 - [30] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Text Grant wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Limit the amount of HAVs that can be deployed. Bam, balance. Tanks should take more than one infantry to destroy. Its a freaking TANK. But limit them to one oer side, and suddenly, AV can easily coordinate to kill that tank, because they aren't being swarmed by 5 HAVs. Seriously people, it isn't that hard. In war it has always taken one DEVOTED anti vehicle infantry to kill one tank. Heck one infantry can kill 6 tanks in under one minute today. AV should beat V or AV becomes pointless. This is false. An AT-4 can penetrate the armor of a T-72 tank. 14 inches of armor penetration. No lock on, dumb fire only Single shot, then useless Cannot be reloaded Does not replace the main weapon. Thats AV today. The LAW is the same in a smaller package. And neither can penetrate into the new Russian tanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv7sBh5aMv0 This is AV that i know about today that sounds alot better than what you said. FGM-148 Javelin Javelins are almost used, mainly for operational reasons (the missiles can lose lock on and go anywhere) but mainly because of how expensive they are to run. A single Javelin command launch unit costs around $125,000, and each missile costs around $80,000. By comparison, the AT-4 costs about US $1500 A Javelin system would cost about the same as the tanks they are destroying in isk. This could be its balancing factor. eExtreme losses when killed. EDIT: also, the entire Javelin system weighs about 50lbs. Perhaps make it a heavy weapon, give heavies some new toys to play with. Remove swarm launchers, since according to AV players, they are useless anyway. now heavies have a role. Going toe-to-toe with vehicles. Just like their flavor text says.



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