DUST Search - What pilots and AV/infantry should be crying about (Not a QQ thread)

Cosgar wrote:

Vehicles:
-Tanks still need a proper purpose on the battlefield

Tanks should hold objectives i.e disposable for squad defense and squad support and proximity to supply depots, not ride around obliterating the map, well they can't but there should be a greater risk, i.e extremely vulnerable to AV unfortunately AV is to weak for this.
Nerf ammo
Nerf speed
Buff AV

-LAVs are still underused/underrated and pointless

LAVS should either be removed or completely dumped as transport vehicles and be made into low HP high damage anti vehicle-vehicles?

-EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle

Webbifier (Slow down vehicles), flux active modules (kill shields), DOT modules (to stop passive armor regen), EMP (stop all vehicle electronics)

-Dropship WP income still needs work
-Small Rails are still useless
-Tank vs Tank could use some balancing tweaks

Passive armor to strong, but nerfing it would make active shield boosters to strong. So I really don't know, maybe an active damage booster for Armor tanks (high slot) to counter shield boosters, and a passive damage booster (low slot) to counter armor repair both of these with SEVERE stacking penalties

-What's the future going to hold for logistics and assault vehicle roles?

only the CCP gods know

-WP for using remote reppers and shield transporters

Maybe when the get armor v shields right, after 10 years you would think they would have it

-More supply depots

If they nerf ammo and place depots close to objectives

AV:
-~~WP for damaging/disabling vehicles~~ Might be coming soon (minus the Gäó)

Would be nice, and also buffing the damage regular guns do to vehicles, I believe its a 9% effective rating, should bump it to 50-70%

-Infantry combat needs to be as fun and exciting as tank vs tank
-EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle

-More anti-shield AV
Call me when the release 1, there is no anti shield AV

-More heavy AV
-Turret instillations need a significant HP buff or should have cyclic deployment

Would love for them to respawn at different spots randomly, or make them deployable like orbitals at lower costs would probably stop people farming orbitals

-REs and proximity mines are underpowered
-Rendering needs to be fixed so swarm launchers can have (somewhat) better range
-In game tutorials on proper AV methods for new and veteran players
-Plasma Cannon needs an AV identity
-More supply depots

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Cosgar ParagonX 8650	Posted - 2013.12.14 00:43:00 - [1] - Quote Vehicles: -Tanks still need a proper purpose on the battlefield -LAVs are still underused/underrated and pointless -EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle -Dropship WP income still needs work -Small Rails are still useless -Tank vs Tank could use some balancing tweaks -What's the future going to hold for logistics and assault vehicle roles? -WP for using remote reppers and shield transporters -More supply depots AV: -~~WP for damaging/disabling vehicles~~ Might be coming soon (minus the Gäó) -Infantry combat needs to be as fun and exciting as tank vs tank -EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle -More anti-shield AV -More heavy AV -Turret instillations need a significant HP buff or should have cyclic deployment -REs and proximity mines are underpowered -Rendering needs to be fixed so swarm launchers can have (somewhat) better range -In game tutorials on proper AV methods for new and veteran players -Plasma Cannon needs an AV identity -More supply depots I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Roofer Madness Tickle My Null-Sac 657	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:17:00 - [2] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Vehicles: -Tanks still need a proper purpose on the battlefield -LAVs are still underused/underrated and pointless -EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle -Dropship WP income still needs work -Small Rails are still useless -Tank vs Tank could use some balancing tweaks -What's the future going to hold for logistics and assault vehicle roles? -WP for using remote reppers and shield transporters -More supply depots AV: -~~WP for damaging/disabling vehicles~~ Might be coming soon (minus the Gäó) -Infantry combat needs to be as fun and exciting as tank vs tank -EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle -More anti-shield AV -More heavy AV -Turret instillations need a significant HP buff or should have cyclic deployment -REs and proximity mines are underpowered -Rendering needs to be fixed so swarm launchers can have (somewhat) better range -In game tutorials on proper AV methods for new and veteran players -Plasma Cannon needs an AV identity -More supply depots I agree the PLC needs something, just not sure what. I will say when you smack a tank with a proto plc with 3 complex damage mods, they usually run for it. Pretty funny watching a big bad tanker running from a PLC.. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Cosgar ParagonX 8650	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:17:00 - [3] - Quote Too many tank QQ threads :/ I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8751	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:19:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: -WP for using remote reppers and shield transporters Those aren't even in the game anymore Vids / O7
Cosgar ParagonX 8652	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:21:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cosgar wrote: -WP for using remote reppers and shield transporters Those aren't even in the game anymore Logistics vehicles aren't either, I'm talking about the future. Vehicles are pretty bare bones right now. That's why I put my refunded SP into infantry stuff. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 231	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:24:00 - [6] - Quote Message from Godin: I want my damn Kubera and stabilized blasters back. And RE's are not UP. 7 vehicle with them since 1.7. No LAV, just straight up sneak and plant. as for the PLC's, more projectile speed (not too much, remember it's a infantry weapon mainly), and a faster reload. That should do it. The rest of that, sure. EDIT: Wait, how much eHP you talking? Over 1000, no dice.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 463	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:27:00 - [7] - Quote LAV turret's should have a locking feature for fighting ground vehicles... Where the turret user could lock on a tank and have it assist with the tracking.. Allowing on the edge LAV drivers to kite and gunners to actively spin the turret in a moving vehicle and hit things. If people need an Aim assist to track slow moving mercenaries.. Why isn't there actual speed up turret tracking of vehicles? Minmatar tanks with autocannons(like the HMG) for close range... And giant Howitzer Artillery's for long range. Amarr tanks with Giant beam laser for long range and pulse lasers for short :o Minmatar, Gallente Heavies... A Heavy variant Laser or Blaster? drools Caldari, Amarr Scouts... Missile shotgun? Pulse laser close range gun? Would even be nice to see a Gallente rail technology side arm... so gallente suit bonus's can apply to that too (i know how silly?) Point is we need the full picture of DUST before we get ahead of ourselfs and waste 3 more patches nerfing and buffing guns.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1619	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:48:00 - [8] - Quote The WP for damage is proof that it's possible to obtain stuff quickly from the devs when no QQ is involved Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2292	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:50:00 - [9] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: I want my damn Kubera and stabilized blasters back. And RE's are not UP. 7 vehicle with them since 1.7. No LAV, just straight up sneak and plant. as for the PLC's, more projectile speed (not too much, remember it's a infantry weapon mainly), and a faster reload. That should do it. The rest of that, sure. EDIT: Wait, how much eHP you talking? Over 1000, no dice. There's no reason to spec beyond level 1 besides multiple triggers. So yes, ADV and PRO are UP as they are the same as STD. Nobody gives a **** about laying more down in one spot. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1966	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:52:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Remnant has confirmed that they are actually going to see if they can add vehicle damage WP as a hotfix, and if they can't then it will be in 1.7 Also, vehicles already do have a role. It's what I like to call "The Answer". DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.

BL4CKST4R warravens League of Infamy 1354	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:54:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Vehicles: -Tanks still need a proper purpose on the battlefield Tanks should hold objectives i.e disposable for squad defense and squad support and proximity to supply depots, not ride around obliterating the map, well they can't but there should be a greater risk, i.e extremely vulnerable to AV unfortunately AV is to weak for this. Nerf ammo Nerf speed Buff AV -LAVs are still underused/underrated and pointless LAVS should either be removed or completely dumped as transport vehicles and be made into low HP high damage anti vehicle-vehicles? -EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle Webbifier (Slow down vehicles), flux active modules (kill shields), DOT modules (to stop passive armor regen), EMP (stop all vehicle electronics) -Dropship WP income still needs work -Small Rails are still useless -Tank vs Tank could use some balancing tweaks Passive armor to strong, but nerfing it would make active shield boosters to strong. So I really don't know, maybe an active damage booster for Armor tanks (high slot) to counter shield boosters, and a passive damage booster (low slot) to counter armor repair both of these with SEVERE stacking penalties -What's the future going to hold for logistics and assault vehicle roles? only the CCP gods know -WP for using remote reppers and shield transporters Maybe when the get armor v shields right, after 10 years you would think they would have it -More supply depots If they nerf ammo and place depots close to objectives AV: -~~WP for damaging/disabling vehicles~~ Might be coming soon (minus the Gäó) Would be nice, and also buffing the damage regular guns do to vehicles, I believe its a 9% effective rating, should bump it to 50-70% -Infantry combat needs to be as fun and exciting as tank vs tank -EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle -More anti-shield AV Call me when the release 1, there is no anti shield AV -More heavy AV -Turret instillations need a significant HP buff or should have cyclic deployment Would love for them to respawn at different spots randomly, or make them deployable like orbitals at lower costs would probably stop people farming orbitals -REs and proximity mines are underpowered -Rendering needs to be fixed so swarm launchers can have (somewhat) better range -In game tutorials on proper AV methods for new and veteran players -Plasma Cannon needs an AV identity -More supply depots
Eurydice Itzhak State Patriots Templis Dragonaors 254	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:25:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Vehicles: -Tanks still need a proper purpose on the battlefield -LAVs are still underused/underrated and pointless -EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle -Dropship WP income still needs work -Small Rails are still useless -Tank vs Tank could use some balancing tweaks -What's the future going to hold for logistics and assault vehicle roles? -WP for using remote reppers and shield transporters -More supply depots AV: -~~WP for damaging/disabling vehicles~~ Might be coming soon (minus the Gäó) -Infantry combat needs to be as fun and exciting as tank vs tank -EWAR to even out infantry vs vehicle and vehicle vs vehicle -More anti-shield AV -More heavy AV -Turret instillations need a significant HP buff or should have cyclic deployment -REs and proximity mines are underpowered -Rendering needs to be fixed so swarm launchers can have (somewhat) better range -In game tutorials on proper AV methods for new and veteran players -Plasma Cannon needs an AV identity -More supply depots Plc is fine now. Its in line with other av. A rail turret popped my proto tank in 2 hits because my blueberry aggroed it while I was reloading. Turrets are great atm. I like the rest aside from you wanting to buff AV. Av is now symbiotic with vehicles. You need both working in tandem. Infantry dont need to solo tanks anymore.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 379	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:40:00 - [13] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: I want my damn Kubera and stabilized blasters back. And RE's are not UP. 7 vehicle with them since 1.7. No LAV, just straight up sneak and plant. as for the PLC's, more projectile speed (not too much, remember it's a infantry weapon mainly), and a faster reload. That should do it. The rest of that, sure. EDIT: Wait, how much eHP you talking? Over 1000, no dice. Remotes are UP (as AV), you cannot just sneak up to a tank and plant. It'll take at least 4 to kill a decent tank. This means you must be a logi or setting them with friends. You should be able to carry enough or have them scale up in damage to kill a tank in one go. It shouldn't be 1 RE and blammo tank but 3 (or 4 if you change the carry count) should do it. It's held back by the long time to set this up and the stupidity needed by a tanker. Plus you MUST blow them without hardeners, something that can be difficult when you lose LOS.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 379	Posted - 2013.12.14 03:13:00 - [14] - Quote [quote=Eurydice Itzhak] Quote: Plc is fine now. Its in line with other av. A rail turret popped my proto tank in 2 hits because my blueberry aggroed it while I was reloading. Turrets are great atm. I like the rest aside from you wanting to buff AV. Av is now symbiotic with vehicles. You need both working in tandem. Infantry dont need to solo tanks anymore. I wouldn't consider the PlC fine. Even at max Profiency and reload skill +PRo your looking at 4secs in between fire...at least. For 110 more shield damage over the AFG, but almost 600 less armor damage. Adding in the fact of the parabolic trajectory, is a very difficult to use weapon. Forge gun beats it in all categories except it's a light weapon. Just something small would help it, doesn't necessarily mean a huge damage buff. You have to buff AV, their is no relationship. Tanks just are superior. Now that doesn't mean you have to buff damage on everything but yes some things need this. You could add more effects, like webifiers/emps, something that could freeze a tank. Offensively, I agree it should be hard for AV to solo a tank. Defensively, the proper player should have a great shot.


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