you know what? i am ******* sick of these discussions, all we see are the same ******* names bitching at each other over and over again, and each and every one of them on both sides of the AV vehicle divide just turns every single ******* balance thread into a pile of crappy insults and such one sided "balance" that the entire thread becomes worthless. so Checkmate, atiim, char, and every other ******* "vocal" member please just Shut The **** Up, and let us have a calm, rational, thought out, and most importantly, a productive conversation that the devs can use to help balance the game.

and on the note of balance, it is day ******* 2 of this update, both sides need time to get used to and explore options for their respective styles, what this means is that everyone needs to get used to the new active module system, and more importantly pay more attention to what their damage type is, for example if i'm in a shield dropship with a 60% hardener on, don't expect to get anywhere shooting me with swarms, the damage you do is so little i can actively ignore till the last 5 seconds of my activation time, then i pull back out of range. if there's a forge gun shooting me however, i still panic and get the hell out of there, though hugely reduced with hardeners on FGs still kill me pretty quick, hell two FGs in tandem will punch through my hardener so fast half the time i don't have time to activate my booster. so, use the correct damage type for the correct tank, its as simple as that. though i will admit swarms could probably do with a damage buff, i speak as a shield user though, so i don't know if that's appropriate compared to how they fair against armour vehicles.

as for tanks, they are currently bugged, as such any balance discussions about them will be worthless till he bug is fixed, this is due to the fact that they are bugged, they aren't working as they normally should, hence any balance attempts will be against the broken model, screwing over the intended one. that said some, such as jason pearson (a tanker btw) have suggested reducing tanks base speed, so that it takes longer to escape the danger zone, hence giving AV more time to shoot at it.

and please, can we just leave all the insults, drama, raging e-peens, superiority complexes at the door and attempt a useful, civil, and productive conversation?

Kids do not listen to this man ^^
Hes insane and does not know what hes talking about =-o

Kids do not listen to this man ^^
Hes insane and does not know what hes talking about =-o

I personally think swarms could use a new range system. Something along the lines of the closer you are the more effective you're swarms are the farther you are the less effective you are (Like the regular weapon ranges). This would allow you to not have a hard cap on range but discourage longer range combat with swarms and maybe even give a bonus to people who fight closer to combat. It could be like when you're within 50 meters you get a large boost to projectile speeds or something while when you go further out the projectile speed and damage starts decreasing. I don't know this is just something I was thinking of earlier.

Yea. The biggest problem with swarms in my opinion is that they are quite limited in range and vehicles can get out of range pretty quickly (Tanks can usually get out of range by the time I shoot out my 2nd volley)

I personally think swarms could use a new range system. Something along the lines of the closer you are the more effective you're swarms are the farther you are the less effective you are (Like the regular weapon ranges). This would allow you to not have a hard cap on range but discourage longer range combat with swarms and maybe even give a bonus to people who fight closer to combat. It could be like when you're within 25-50 meters you get a large boost to projectile speeds while when you go further out the projectile speed and damage starts decreasing. I don't know this is just something I was thinking of earlier.

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Swarms need faster travel time

Yea. The biggest problem with swarms in my opinion is that they are quite limited in range and vehicles can get out of range pretty quickly (Tanks can usually get out of range by the time I shoot out my 2nd volley)

Yea. The biggest problem with swarms in my opinion is that they are quite limited in range and vehicles can get out of range pretty quickly (Tanks can usually get out of range by the time I shoot out my 2nd volley)

I have been killed by swarms several times once I let my shields drop and left my actives off. Sure, shield ship with actives on and no chance. Off however is a different story.

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See why we cant have nice things gbghg ?

you are the main reason we can't have nice things, you infect everybody' minds with stupidity... DIE BACH!

Kane, you mention the limited range of swarms. Watch my latest video and it will show you that the numbers you see as range do not tell the whole story.

I have not joined in with any discussion as there is too much aggressive passion, and too little fact. But passion is an important thing we should give some ear too. Those people raging. They clearly care about the game. Sometimes they sound just angry, but under that lies a love of DUST.

I use dropships. I am filming lots of games and fits. I will let any non dropship players see what the truth of the build is like for us. I will make Videos to show a balanced review. Many pilots want balance. But we need a week or more to see where faults lie, to test builds and to test those builds again when infantry adjust. We need to run that cycle a few times. Please give us time.

If nothing else I ask people to trust that I will say it like it is with video for you to see it too. Vehicle users are not evil trolls who want to just win and crush and lol.

Oh hey it worked.

Finally, we have an V/AV thread where people aren't ripping at each others throats and actually trying to do something to balance this game.

What's next? GalLogis are gonna put the ARs down?

This ^^^