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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 -
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Cpt Merdock wrote:How are those flavour of the month? Hmm? Please explain how what side we choose is flavour of the month. It doesnt matter, you dont get bonuses for choosing a specific side, you just get access to the limited gear in the loyalty point store. Minmatar has never been flavour of the month for anything, we finally get an item that can match with the Armour tanking, damage mod stacking amarr and caldari players and you all get more pissy than ever. Go get some team players and come back before whining on the forums, CCP cant help that you guys cant work together.
People inherently flock to what is easy*. Minnie/gallente FW is just about the easiest thing you can do in this game at the moment.
*proof of flocking in order of apperance: LR spam flaylock spam MD spam AR spam SCR spam Tank spam |
Foley Jones
The Exemplars Top Men.
371
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Posted - 2013.12.15 05:25:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Foley Jones wrote:I fight for the caldari - im not going to ***** and moan about the fact we suck so dont worry
What I will moan about though is the fact that it is insanely hard to get my caldari standing up becuase we lose so much
So I purpose that the losing team still receives some standing points for effort and trying
I went in there, killed some feds, I tryed as hard as I can to win but factions won't like you anymore unless you win?
Show some mercy CCP - Give the losing tea like 10-30 points for trying you already give a small amount of LP for losing, at least let us try and get our standings up a level so we can earn more My concern would be if you give a standing gain you then have both LP and Standing gains you would be giving to potential AFK awoxers and/or farmers. Why on the surface standings for loosing may seem good they can get exploited in a hurry. Are you kidding? You can already do this extensively as long as you choose the FotM minmatar/gallente. Join minne/gall match, AFK, +standings like crazy.
Tis why the wp system suggested before is a good idea
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
677
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Posted - 2013.12.15 08:46:00 -
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Cpt Merdock wrote:How are those flavour of the month? Hmm? Please explain how what side we choose is flavour of the month. It doesnt matter, you dont get bonuses for choosing a specific side, you just get access to the limited gear in the loyalty point store. Minmatar has never been flavour of the month for anything, we finally get an item that can match with the Armour tanking, damage mod stacking amarr and caldari players and you all get more pissy than ever. Go get some team players and come back before whining on the forums, CCP cant help that you guys cant work together.
Yes, of course. We scrubs need simply to git gud. Squads are a brilliant idea, I wish I had thought of that. How could we have not figured out how to use our dedicated FW channel and FW oriented corp to make squads without your help?
I'm pretty sure we have some actual TeamPlayers (or at least former ones, like Cubs), doesn't matter. When you consistently have 5 or 6 blueberries (presumably awoxers) who end the match with 0 WP, unless you are able to get 2 full squads into every battle you are SOL.
Also: I'm pretty fond of the CR myself but let's not go crazy attributing your success to it.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
393
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Posted - 2013.12.15 09:48:00 -
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Shooty Dangerman wrote:I think 5 standing points for 500 WP is the best idea. It could apply to winners and losers with a cap at 20 or 25. When you know your team is gonna lose the match there is really no incentive to keep playing, but a change like this would keep me fighting at least.
I know gaining for losing lends itself open to AFK farming but the WP system isn't perfect either.
You can just exploit the revive mechanic, or call in BPO vehicles and have a friend awoxing the other side destroy them constantly. Actually with AWOXING this would be way to easy to exploit.
Plus this completely favors certain playstyles, Logis would explode and could generate more points than a guy actually defending/capping objs.
This could be terrible for battles, once they even seem like a chance for a loss it's going to be about gaining WP not fighting hard to actually win. Or before a battle even starts see that your up against a decent squad and don't even bother trying, just milk WPs. Destroy all turrets even if they could help your team, revive with crappy injectors so you get more rep points. Run only free gear and sit and milk wps any way you can. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
456
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:06:00 -
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WP system is by far the best suggestion, it would also hurt afkers on the winning side, people could try and exploit but it wouldnt be worth their time. Step up CCP |
Acturus Galaxy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
299
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:15:00 -
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I do not like the rewards based on WP in FW matches. It will end up like pub matches where everyone is trying to farm WP rather than winning the match. As it is now you will gain very little for loosing. If you join FW for passive LP farming you decrease the chance of your team winning and you will get next to nothing for spending 20-30 minuttes of your time.
Now you have to parcicipate to secure that you get an LP payout even if it is in starter suits or BPO suits. Doing nothing decreases your own chance of getting any loyality points. Most FW matches I have been in has been close as it is obvious everyone is fighting to the end to win the match. Join a pub skirmish and redlining and pub stomping is the norm. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
679
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:20:00 -
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Acturus Galaxy wrote:I do not like the rewards based on WP in FW matches. It will end up like pub matches where everyone is trying to farm WP rather than winning the match. As it is now you will gain very little for loosing. If you join FW for passive LP farming you decrease the chance of your team winning and you will get next to nothing for spending 20-30 minuttes of your time.
Now you have to parcicipate to secure that you get an LP payout even if it is in starter suits or BPO suits. Doing nothing decreases your own chance of getting any loyality points. Most FW matches I have been in has been close as it is obvious everyone is fighting to the end to win the match. Join a pub skirmish and redlining and pub stomping is the norm.
The difference is that you keep the mechanic where the winning side gets dramatically better payouts. The only real change from the current system is that good players on the losing side still get something for actually trying. Don't want to make it purely WP based, then give something to the top 3 players on the board for the losing side instead.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Acturus Galaxy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
299
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:29:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Acturus Galaxy wrote:I do not like the rewards based on WP in FW matches. It will end up like pub matches where everyone is trying to farm WP rather than winning the match. As it is now you will gain very little for loosing. If you join FW for passive LP farming you decrease the chance of your team winning and you will get next to nothing for spending 20-30 minuttes of your time.
Now you have to parcicipate to secure that you get an LP payout even if it is in starter suits or BPO suits. Doing nothing decreases your own chance of getting any loyality points. Most FW matches I have been in has been close as it is obvious everyone is fighting to the end to win the match. Join a pub skirmish and redlining and pub stomping is the norm. The difference is that you keep the mechanic where the winning side gets dramatically better payouts. The only real change from the current system is that good players on the losing side still get something for actually trying. Don't want to make it purely WP based, then give something to the top 3 players on the board for the losing side instead.
I understand that you wish to reward the members that might be spending the most isk trying to win the match. But you will also open up the option to WP farming instead of trying to win the match.
I see FW matches as a team gamemode unlike pub commercial contracts. FW does not discreminate new players from old players, they get an equal share of LP and is expected to do their best within the limits of their SP.
I hate pub matches for the rush to destroy every single installtion on the map for war points. I dislike pub matches for letting down players with a prefered role that provides little warpoints. Look at snipers, they are anoying, they get very little warpoints for their effort trying to help the team remotely. Tanks and logis get tons of war points.
In FW everyone is selecting a role that improves the chance of winning the match and not a role that yeild the highest amount of warpoints. I like that there is this difference between pubs and FW matches. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
680
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:36:00 -
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Again, says the Gallente. Go ahead and play some Amarr battles. You won't lose standings for Gallente, so it's cool. Try that for a few days and see how much you like the losing side getting nothing.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
539
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:51:00 -
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Players that are loyal enough to lose for their faction time over time deserve their loyalty points and standing too, it's as easy as that.
Then again...CCP also named the ambush spawn button 'Smart Spawn'. They like to give unrelated names to stuff. |
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Acturus Galaxy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
299
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Posted - 2013.12.15 13:11:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Again, says the Gallente who's probably won 3/4 of his battles. Go ahead and play some Amarr FW. You won't lose standings for Gallente, so it's cool. Try that for a few days and see how much you like the losing side getting nothing.
Take a look at how all the asshats awox all match in the roles they are selecting to lose the battle instead of yielding the most WP or however you put it. Have fun losing 150,000 ISK to get more kills and WP than the top 3 players on the other side and be given nothing in return.
I am actually planning to play a few amar FW matches, could use the special droplinks you have, not that little me will make that big a difference.
Not every Gallente match is a Victory, had four matches yesterday in a row with looses against the Caldari. I have started to run in cheap suits primarily, have SP capped but continue to play FW matches as I find them much more fun than pub matches. Even with 0 payout I would prefer FW matches over pub matches.
I promise to run allot of amar fw matches and will report back, might change my mind if every match is as bad as I hear on the forums.
The Gallente/Amar preference is not bad, the EVE sisters of eve faction is Gallente/Amar, for RP reasons I can support Amar as well as the Gallente. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
680
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Posted - 2013.12.15 13:37:00 -
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Acturus Galaxy wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Again, says the Gallente who's probably won 3/4 of his battles. Go ahead and play some Amarr FW. You won't lose standings for Gallente, so it's cool. Try that for a few days and see how much you like the losing side getting nothing.
Take a look at how all the asshats awox all match in the roles they are selecting to lose the battle instead of yielding the most WP or however you put it. Have fun losing 150,000 ISK to get more kills and WP than the top 3 players on the other side and be given nothing in return. I am actually planning to play a few amar FW matches, could use the special droplinks you have, not that little me will make that big a difference. Not every Gallente match is a Victory, had four matches yesterday in a row with looses against the Caldari. I have started to run in cheap suits primarily, have SP capped but continue to play FW matches as I find them much more fun than pub matches. Even with 0 payout I would prefer FW matches over pub matches. I promise to run allot of amar fw matches and will report back, might change my mind if every match is as bad as I hear on the forums. The Gallente/Amar preference is not bad, the EVE sisters of eve faction is Gallente/Amar, for RP reasons I can support Amar as well as the Gallente.
Please do. My CEO plays Gallente so I did some of those, they were quite refreshing. Couldn't follow him into minmatar though.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Foley Jones
The Exemplars Top Men.
376
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Posted - 2013.12.15 14:48:00 -
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Alright with some thought I have established a system for this
100 wp = 5 standing
Losers would be capped at 30 so a nice 600 would be rewarded Winner's wp would be doubled for winning so a cap of 60 would be in order
Most likely a terrible system but hey at least I tryed?
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Acturus Galaxy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
299
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Posted - 2013.12.15 15:29:00 -
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Acturus Galaxy wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Again, says the Gallente who's probably won 3/4 of his battles. Go ahead and play some Amarr FW. You won't lose standings for Gallente, so it's cool. Try that for a few days and see how much you like the losing side getting nothing.
Take a look at how all the asshats awox all match in the roles they are selecting to lose the battle instead of yielding the most WP or however you put it. Have fun losing 150,000 ISK to get more kills and WP than the top 3 players on the other side and be given nothing in return. I am actually planning to play a few amar FW matches, could use the special droplinks you have, not that little me will make that big a difference. Not every Gallente match is a Victory, had four matches yesterday in a row with looses against the Caldari. I have started to run in cheap suits primarily, have SP capped but continue to play FW matches as I find them much more fun than pub matches. Even with 0 payout I would prefer FW matches over pub matches. I promise to run allot of amar fw matches and will report back, might change my mind if every match is as bad as I hear on the forums. The Gallente/Amar preference is not bad, the EVE sisters of eve faction is Gallente/Amar, for RP reasons I can support Amar as well as the Gallente.
Allright 5 Amar FW matches played and 5 matches lost. All of them have been really close with just 1-5 bars left on the Minmartar MCC, so close. Very fun matches actually, I like the challenge and will continue a few more.
I did notice a fair amount of Amar team members jumping ship as soon as the Minmartar got ahead, bloody hard to turn the match when the Amar is running away from the match. I did do my best getting 1 in two of the matches.
Also, allot of Minmartar are using the Amar suits, seemed to be more frequent than on the amar side. They are a pain to fight with my scout shotgun, they are either amar heavies or minmartar logis.
And I see the Amar have a real challenge here, that CR is insanly strong. I ghouthg the rail rifle used by the Caldari was bad, but that is no match to the assault CR. Wow my scout melts in under a second even at 50+ meters. Against most other rifles I can get 2 shots with my shotgun, but this rifle melts me in an instant.
And with everyone on the Amar side giving up early the 3 proto Minimartar have it easy. Where are all the OP proto scrambler rifles and amar assault suits.
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
296
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Posted - 2013.12.15 15:53:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:I've played 10-15 battles for the Amarr so far, averaging 1500 WP, topped the board (overall - both teams) in WP for close to 1/2 of them, and yet I have not advanced a single level yet. Disheartening.
I feel your pain
Preeminent Scrambler Rifle User & Dropship Enthusiast
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SHANN da MAN
D3LTA FORC3
109
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:06:00 -
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I think the solution to this is that players should get BOTH ...
NEG Standing points to whole team for losing battle POS standing points for individual effort based on WP
So that at the end of battle some underperforming team members would come out of the match with NEG overall standing And those that performed well / scored many WP would come out of the match with POS overall standing
This is a computer game, I'm sure it can handle the maths
nothing to see here ... move along
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Foley Jones
The Exemplars Top Men.
378
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:49:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:I've played 10-15 battles for the Amarr so far, averaging 1500 WP, topped the board (overall - both teams) in WP for close to 1/2 of them, and yet I have not advanced a single level yet. Disheartening. I feel your pain
Yeah its extremely frustrating
Im going to have gray hair by the time im 20 (im 17) at this rate
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