DUST Search - at least give the losing faction some standing points

Acturus Galaxy wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Again, says the Gallente who's probably won 3/4 of his battles. Go ahead and play some Amarr FW. You won't lose standings for Gallente, so it's cool. Try that for a few days and see how much you like the losing side getting nothing.

Take a look at how all the asshats awox all match in the roles they are selecting to lose the battle instead of yielding the most WP or however you put it. Have fun losing 150,000 ISK to get more kills and WP than the top 3 players on the other side and be given nothing in return.

I am actually planning to play a few amar FW matches, could use the special droplinks you have, not that little me will make that big a difference.

Not every Gallente match is a Victory, had four matches yesterday in a row with looses against the Caldari. I have started to run in cheap suits primarily, have SP capped but continue to play FW matches as I find them much more fun than pub matches. Even with 0 payout I would prefer FW matches over pub matches.

I promise to run allot of amar fw matches and will report back, might change my mind if every match is as bad as I hear on the forums.

The Gallente/Amar preference is not bad, the EVE sisters of eve faction is Gallente/Amar, for RP reasons I can support Amar as well as the Gallente.


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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 669	Posted - 2013.12.14 18:48:00 - [1] - Quote This is one of the things I suggested in a feedback thread. My concept is that the faction will still "pay" you (in standings) for a "good loss." I'm all for incentives to win but the current system, but like Rhadamanthus said, when you see you are on a losing team there is zero incentive to try because you get nothing for your efforts. I suggested that the top 1-3 people on the board and/or everyone who gets more than a certain number of WP should still be awarded at least a small amount of standings for their trouble. Even if it's only 10-20% of what you get for a win! there's at least a reason to give your best effort. The way it is now only frustrates and crushes the morale of the Caldari and Amarr sides making us less interested in playing because we have no real control over outer own fates. I mean, I've played 10-15 battles for the Amarr so far, averaging 1500 WP, topped the board (overall - both teams) in WP for fully 1/2 of them, and yet I have not advanced a single level yet. Disheartening. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 673	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:44:00 - [2] - Quote Napoleon? Waterloo is synonymous with a military debacle. George Washington famously lost more battles than he won (debatable but he had barely over a .500 at best) as well. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 674	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:06:00 - [3] - Quote Bethhy wrote: We wanted this. A venue where *Winning matters.* that isn't PC. now that you have it ... it's not fair enough for you? CCP gives you all the tools in a sandbox to build a FW team... to organize whatever you see fit. We have normal public matches where little difference happens when you loose... don't do that to this. I'll never understand why everyone want's to be rewarded for just participating... with no drive to improve them self's or their surroundings... just sit down and be rewarded.. its sick. Easy for a Gallente player to say. Besides, nobody is asking for it to be like pubs where the reward is essentially the same win or lose. Those of us who are fighting for Caldari/Amarr are sick of banging into a wall of awoxers every match and just want some token reward for our efforts. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 677	Posted - 2013.12.15 08:46:00 - [4] - Quote Cpt Merdock wrote: How are those flavour of the month? Hmm? Please explain how what side we choose is flavour of the month. It doesnt matter, you dont get bonuses for choosing a specific side, you just get access to the limited gear in the loyalty point store. Minmatar has never been flavour of the month for anything, we finally get an item that can match with the Armour tanking, damage mod stacking amarr and caldari players and you all get more pissy than ever. Go get some team players and come back before whining on the forums, CCP cant help that you guys cant work together. Yes, of course. We scrubs need simply to git gud. Squads are a brilliant idea, I wish I had thought of that. How could we have not figured out how to use our dedicated FW channel and FW oriented corp to make squads without your help? I'm pretty sure we have some actual TeamPlayers (or at least former ones, like Cubs), doesn't matter. When you consistently have 5 or 6 blueberries (presumably awoxers) who end the match with 0 WP, unless you are able to get 2 full squads into every battle you are SOL. Also: I'm pretty fond of the CR myself but let's not go crazy attributing your success to it. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 679	Posted - 2013.12.15 12:20:00 - [5] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: I do not like the rewards based on WP in FW matches. It will end up like pub matches where everyone is trying to farm WP rather than winning the match. As it is now you will gain very little for loosing. If you join FW for passive LP farming you decrease the chance of your team winning and you will get next to nothing for spending 20-30 minuttes of your time. Now you have to parcicipate to secure that you get an LP payout even if it is in starter suits or BPO suits. Doing nothing decreases your own chance of getting any loyality points. Most FW matches I have been in has been close as it is obvious everyone is fighting to the end to win the match. Join a pub skirmish and redlining and pub stomping is the norm. The difference is that you keep the mechanic where the winning side gets dramatically better payouts. The only real change from the current system is that good players on the losing side still get something for actually trying. Don't want to make it purely WP based, then give something to the top 3 players on the board for the losing side instead. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 680	Posted - 2013.12.15 12:36:00 - [6] - Quote Again, says the Gallente. Go ahead and play some Amarr battles. You won't lose standings for Gallente, so it's cool. Try that for a few days and see how much you like the losing side getting nothing. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 680	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:37:00 - [7] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Again, says the Gallente who's probably won 3/4 of his battles. Go ahead and play some Amarr FW. You won't lose standings for Gallente, so it's cool. Try that for a few days and see how much you like the losing side getting nothing. Take a look at how all the asshats awox all match in the roles they are selecting to lose the battle instead of yielding the most WP or however you put it. Have fun losing 150,000 ISK to get more kills and WP than the top 3 players on the other side and be given nothing in return. I am actually planning to play a few amar FW matches, could use the special droplinks you have, not that little me will make that big a difference. Not every Gallente match is a Victory, had four matches yesterday in a row with looses against the Caldari. I have started to run in cheap suits primarily, have SP capped but continue to play FW matches as I find them much more fun than pub matches. Even with 0 payout I would prefer FW matches over pub matches. I promise to run allot of amar fw matches and will report back, might change my mind if every match is as bad as I hear on the forums. The Gallente/Amar preference is not bad, the EVE sisters of eve faction is Gallente/Amar, for RP reasons I can support Amar as well as the Gallente. Please do. My CEO plays Gallente so I did some of those, they were quite refreshing. Couldn't follow him into minmatar though. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!