DUST Search - let the tankers have their victory

Darken-Sol wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Darken-Sol wrote:

These guys have been crying since open beta ended. That's way longer than anyone, they need their turn with the paddle or they will quit. You can bet AV will get a buff, the infantry cry louder and harder. This game has become a cry till CCP gives you the win kind of affair. That's fine. Tanks will be abused and nerfed. Chromosome had everything even super tank spam. What happened to those tanks? Removed.

I tanked in 1.6, it was fun any challenging. Now days Sica or soma is the equivalent of a decent tank a week ago. This is sweet as a tanker. As AV I just avoid them. Really they are so busy killing blueberries you can just walk around the battlefield. Any hope on using them for squad based combat? Don't count on it. They can't move with infantry or provide transportation. Too fast and no seats.

I feel cheated in regards to seriousness. This game is more fun, but less tactical. This is really what tankers wanted? I think tanking is a joke, but jokes are fun, for a bit.

The thing is infantry has never had 'their turn with the paddle'. Tell me, when did you ever see infantry effectively immune to tank fire, in the way that tanks are effectively immune to infantry fire (including AV) at the moment? Infantry versus AV was more or less balanced between launch and 1.7 - infantry scared of tanks+tanks scared of AV=balance. In beta it was Tank 514 like it is now.

I'd like to see CCP give infantry the upper hand for once, but I don't think I'll still be playing when they finally pull their heads out their arses.

swarms were stupidly op in 1.6. Shield tanks were laughable. Maddies relied on a broken rep cycle. It took alot of skill and aPC fit Maddy to not get instapopped. I loved it. On both sides. Now we see generic fits and tank spam. How is this better. If it took more than a mlt tank to be effective I would have skilled back into tanks.

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Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 786	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:10:00 - [31] - Quote 8213 wrote: HiddenBrother wrote: You're the guy that kept redlining my 2.2 million ISK Vayu. Alone. I remember that game. My boss kept you redlined the whole game, because: 1. You were to stupid to just recall and give up. 2. Couldn't deal with ONE guy shooting you... did it ever occur to you to just jump out of your tank and shoot him? 3. We destroyed a few tanks that game as a team and you high tailed it to the redline because you got scared and paniced. I think he had a blueberry. Also this guy redlined me, so what if it was his red line. I could have been useful elsewhere.
HiddenBrother Days of Ruin 3	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:10:00 - [32] - Quote 8213 wrote: HiddenBrother wrote: You're the guy that kept redlining my 2.2 million ISK Vayu. Alone. I remember that game. My boss kept you redlined the whole game, because: 1. You were to stupid to just recall and give up. 2. Couldn't deal with ONE guy shooting you... did it ever occur to you to just jump out of your tank and shoot him? 3. We destroyed a few tanks that game as a team and you high tailed it to the redline because you got scared and paniced. You really should refrain from personal attacks. Did it ever occur to you that my suit was militia; because I invested all of my SP into tanks? It was likely that he was carrying an advanced sidearm. Ruin.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 853	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:12:00 - [33] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: AVare fine, its tank pilots which are ******* stuipd CCP had to buff then since they are that dense fixed
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 786	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:16:00 - [34] - Quote HiddenBrother wrote: 8213 wrote: HiddenBrother wrote: You're the guy that kept redlining my 2.2 million ISK Vayu. Alone. I remember that game. My boss kept you redlined the whole game, because: 1. You were to stupid to just recall and give up. 2. Couldn't deal with ONE guy shooting you... did it ever occur to you to just jump out of your tank and shoot him? 3. We destroyed a few tanks that game as a team and you high tailed it to the redline because you got scared and paniced. You really should refrain from personal attacks. Did it ever occur to you that my suit was militia; because I invested all of my SP into tanks? It was likely that he was carrying an advanced sidearm. it would have been a terrible mistake to step out. You are right about that. You could have gotten out of the redline though. A good tanker knows the maps and the redline is huge. Your tank was pretty tough but your skittish. YOLO.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 828	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:18:00 - [35] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: That's way longer than anyone, they need their turn with the paddle or they will quit. 2 words: Nova Knifers. As for the rest of your post, the sooner it's fixed, the better. As bad as new player turnover rate was before, it will be 100x worse as long as 5 Mach 10 tanks fly around the field, jetting out of range before AV can even dent them. This is a fix that is needed ASAP no matter how much fun it is for which players. Other fixes to AV can come later, but the speed issue with militia boosters needs to be fixed *YESTERDAY. It's dangerous to travel the forums alone, take this! (.:'Honeyed'*Lamb**':.) FIX TTK & MINSUITS (GîÉ_GîÉ )
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 60	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:20:00 - [36] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: These guys have been crying since open beta ended. That's way longer than anyone, they need their turn with the paddle or they will quit. You can bet AV will get a buff, the infantry cry louder and harder. This game has become a cry till CCP gives you the win kind of affair. That's fine. Tanks will be abused and nerfed. Chromosome had everything even super tank spam. What happened to those tanks? Removed. I tanked in 1.6, it was fun any challenging. Now days Sica or soma is the equivalent of a decent tank a week ago. This is sweet as a tanker. As AV I just avoid them. Really they are so busy killing blueberries you can just walk around the battlefield. Any hope on using them for squad based combat? Don't count on it. They can't move with infantry or provide transportation. Too fast and no seats. I feel cheated in regards to seriousness. This game is more fun, but less tactical. This is really what tankers wanted? I think tanking is a joke, but jokes are fun, for a bit. lol, "or they will quit", lol. So, playercount drops from 3600 to 3450........bahahahaahahahhahaahhhahahahahah
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1411	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:21:00 - [37] - Quote 8213 wrote: pegasis prime wrote: 8213 wrote: On December 10th, the tank thing was fun. I didn't care, it was just so cool to see tanks doing flips n' sht. But the fun is done now. I want to get back to playing the game, but I can't because tanks broke it. good god can we just see how it pans out once they fix the nitro bug..............iv seen allot of QQ here over the last 24 hours along the lines of QQ my swarm launcher is unneffective while the gunlogi has its hardners up , QQ tanks are too fast and they can get away from me now instead of instapoping (yes the mlt nitro is broken reall tankers use the complex one any way ) lets just see how this all pans out once they have fixed the nitro bug and infantry learn how effective the plasma cannon is against gunlogis it really is effective but takes skill to use so don't expect to see many folks using it. Peg, its more than just a nitro bug. I know you've been wanting a good tank buff and AV nerf but this --like everything CCP does-- went way overboard. Tanks are cheap, idiot proof, insanely survivable, deadly... I rolled up to a Sica with my Soma. When the Soma turned on the hardener, my blaster did 0 damage. It healed through my shots and stayed at full as I pelt blaster shots into it. My 77k ISK Soma can survive 4 volleys from proto swarms. (I actually stayed in place w/ mine just to find out) The only effective AV is to simply put REs on a LAV and commit suicide. And the tanker can just call in another tank because they are cheap throw aways. The balance in vehicles is broken. I have found it cheaper and more effective to just use tanks now 100% of the time. It's not a specialty like it once was. Everybody and their grandmother has a tank and is rping face with it. Tankers got f*cked over the most by this, because in a few months they will get nerfed so hard you'll want your pre 1.7 back. first off the sica if it was running 2 hardners would negate your damage so lesson don't charge a shield tank when you see it glowing.... and you said your soma survived 4 vollys of proto swarms was it a hardner or rep fit ??? level of skills ??? I take it the 5th volley would have if it did not kill you ?? iv lost gunlogis to forges and swarms but only when they catch me on cool down which can vary from 15-45 seconds pending on how many hardeners iv had to activate to negate the previous encounter . i.e. if I activate 2 hardeners I will not take any damage from swarms blasters missiles or av nades for 30 seconds and have to be in cover before they run short . so combat effective time with 2 hardeners is 15 seconds in 15 seconds to retreat and 45 seconds in the red line . now if I run 1 of my 2 hardeners at a time av nades unless proto packed wont touch my shields and neither will swarms but forges, plasma cannons, flux nades and blasters will hit at 40% of their damage and will stop my shield regen , I will have a combat effective time of 60 seconds on field, 5-15 seconds off field while I go on cool down, that way is more frontline time but I will receive damage from weapons designed to damage shields. every tank I have lost its because iv been on cool down , and iv been insta popped but that's my fault for either hanging around too long or not taking my retreat to rep into account. the whole dynamic of how vehicles work has been changed as ell as how mercs are to counter them 1 don't attack a gunlogi when it is glowing 2 if you do then make sure you are using either flux nades , plasma cannon , forge gun or rail turret . yes blasters will cut through 1 hardner but not 2 , the only wepon that can effectively cut through 2 hardners is a rail with a damage mod. now havs will be op when the hardners are active but you have plenty of timer to attack when inactive i.e. any time between 5-60 seconds pending on their fit. tanks will have a combat effective time of aprox 10-60 seconds to balance this out the longer the tank wants to stay and fight the more vulnerable it is while on the front and the hit run hide tanks will be running for cover after 5-10 seconds of hitting the front before retreating to cool down. yes tank spam will seem morte than normal right now but its only a day after the changes so folks are trying it out it will subside and the clown car tanks will follow suit. lets just see how thing pan out Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1037	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:23:00 - [38] - Quote HiddenBrother wrote: 8213 wrote: HiddenBrother wrote: You're the guy that kept redlining my 2.2 million ISK Vayu. Alone. I remember that game. My boss kept you redlined the whole game, because: 1. You were to stupid to just recall and give up. 2. Couldn't deal with ONE guy shooting you... did it ever occur to you to just jump out of your tank and shoot him? 3. We destroyed a few tanks that game as a team and you high tailed it to the redline because you got scared and paniced. You really should refrain from personal attacks. Did it ever occur to you that my suit was militia; because I invested all of my SP into tanks? It was likely that he was carrying an advanced sidearm. Knowing him, he was carrying a Scrambler Pistol, probably a Prototype one... But if you can't shoot a guy with a Militia AR, grenades, and sidearm as backup, then I see why you stay in your tanks... Tanks are a weapon, and their is a time and place for every weapon. You didn't have a back up plan,. If I remember we lost that game anyway, because we had to waste to much time on dealing with tanks. Sure, we destoryed the tanks (except yours) but we still lost because of it. Because it took that much effort to be that effective at AV, because despite what tankers think AV wasn't an idiot proof guarantee to kill a tank, especially one that actually but effort into their specialty.. Against anyone else, your team's tanks would have walked all over the map and you would have won by a very wide margin. We were able to neutralize you and cut down the lead you took in the beginning, but it wasn't enough. Winning is all that matters. You won... and got to keep your expensive tuna can. But to be honest, we are the best AV Corp in the game. You can't use an experience against us as the norm. You normally did more than well with your tanks, I'm sure. Or else you wouldn't of had the confidence to bring a 2.2million ISK piece of machinery out on the battle field in a match that would only awarded you 400k ISK at most...
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 828	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:24:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Terra Thesis wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Please shut the fuuck up about the nitrous bug. No one gives a damn about it here. i give a damn, and so should everyone, because that's the one thing keeping me from assault forge gunning 80% of these tanks into oblivion. every single one of these threads is just pointless noise unless they address the bug that lets vehicles dispatch at warp speed at the first hint of damage. Getting fixed soon as the hotfix is approved. Thank you. It's dangerous to travel the forums alone, take this! (.:'Honeyed'Lamb**':.) FIX TTK & MINSUITS (GîÉ_GîÉ )
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1865	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:26:00 - [40] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: AVare fine, its tank pilots which are ******* stuipd CCP had to buff then since they are that dense fixed This coming from a dust uni member who keeps saying that he couldnt kill a soma in 1.6 with proto swarms and 3 complex damage mods in less than 30seconds You need to be schooled properly or at least pull your head out of your arse

Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 787	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:37:00 - [41] - Quote Poppin tanks is easy. Enemy tanks are of no concern to me. I got proto AV. the suit costs 90k. Why bother? I can drop a soma kill the tank and rapefest infantry too, for 70k. there was a time when it took skill and intelligence to be a pilot. I have no reason not to drop cheap tanks and mow down anyone I see. Nobody does. That's why there is so much tank spam. The novelty is wearing off. I don't even watch out for good tankers anymore or care if its armor or Shield. It doesn't matter its just a job now.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 356	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:37:00 - [42] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: These guys have been crying since open beta ended. That's way longer than anyone, they need their turn with the paddle or they will quit. You can bet AV will get a buff, the infantry cry louder and harder. This game has become a cry till CCP gives you the win kind of affair. That's fine. Tanks will be abused and nerfed. Chromosome had everything even super tank spam. What happened to those tanks? Removed. I tanked in 1.6, it was fun any challenging. Now days Sica or soma is the equivalent of a decent tank a week ago. This is sweet as a tanker. As AV I just avoid them. Really they are so busy killing blueberries you can just walk around the battlefield. Any hope on using them for squad based combat? Don't count on it. They can't move with infantry or provide transportation. Too fast and no seats. I feel cheated in regards to seriousness. This game is more fun, but less tactical. This is really what tankers wanted? I think tanking is a joke, but jokes are fun, for a bit. The thing is infantry has never had 'their turn with the paddle'. Tell me, when did you ever see infantry effectively immune to tank fire, in the way that tanks are effectively immune to infantry fire (including AV) at the moment? Infantry versus AV was more or less balanced between launch and 1.7 - infantry scared of tanks+tanks scared of AV=balance. In beta it was Tank 514 like it is now. I'd like to see CCP give infantry the upper hand for once, but I don't think I'll still be playing when they finally pull their heads out their arses.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 788	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:44:00 - [43] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: These guys have been crying since open beta ended. That's way longer than anyone, they need their turn with the paddle or they will quit. You can bet AV will get a buff, the infantry cry louder and harder. This game has become a cry till CCP gives you the win kind of affair. That's fine. Tanks will be abused and nerfed. Chromosome had everything even super tank spam. What happened to those tanks? Removed. I tanked in 1.6, it was fun any challenging. Now days Sica or soma is the equivalent of a decent tank a week ago. This is sweet as a tanker. As AV I just avoid them. Really they are so busy killing blueberries you can just walk around the battlefield. Any hope on using them for squad based combat? Don't count on it. They can't move with infantry or provide transportation. Too fast and no seats. I feel cheated in regards to seriousness. This game is more fun, but less tactical. This is really what tankers wanted? I think tanking is a joke, but jokes are fun, for a bit. The thing is infantry has never had 'their turn with the paddle'. Tell me, when did you ever see infantry effectively immune to tank fire, in the way that tanks are effectively immune to infantry fire (including AV) at the moment? Infantry versus AV was more or less balanced between launch and 1.7 - infantry scared of tanks+tanks scared of AV=balance. In beta it was Tank 514 like it is now. I'd like to see CCP give infantry the upper hand for once, but I don't think I'll still be playing when they finally pull their heads out their arses. swarms were stupidly op in 1.6. Shield tanks were laughable. Maddies relied on a broken rep cycle. It took alot of skill and aPC fit Maddy to not get instapopped. I loved it. On both sides. Now we see generic fits and tank spam. How is this better. If it took more than a mlt tank to be effective I would have skilled back into tanks.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 535	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:48:00 - [44] - Quote Can a tanker confirm whether the militia nitro bug has been hotfixed?
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 328	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:54:00 - [45] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: These guys have been crying since open beta ended. That's way longer than anyone, they need their turn with the paddle or they will quit. You can bet AV will get a buff, the infantry cry louder and harder. This game has become a cry till CCP gives you the win kind of affair. That's fine. Tanks will be abused and nerfed. Chromosome had everything even super tank spam. What happened to those tanks? Removed. I tanked in 1.6, it was fun any challenging. Now days Sica or soma is the equivalent of a decent tank a week ago. This is sweet as a tanker. As AV I just avoid them. Really they are so busy killing blueberries you can just walk around the battlefield. Any hope on using them for squad based combat? Don't count on it. They can't move with infantry or provide transportation. Too fast and no seats. I feel cheated in regards to seriousness. This game is more fun, but less tactical. This is really what tankers wanted? I think tanking is a joke, but jokes are fun, for a bit. The thing is infantry has never had 'their turn with the paddle'. Tell me, when did you ever see infantry effectively immune to tank fire, in the way that tanks are effectively immune to infantry fire (including AV) at the moment? Infantry versus AV was more or less balanced between launch and 1.7 - infantry scared of tanks+tanks scared of AV=balance. In beta it was Tank 514 like it is now. I'd like to see CCP give infantry the upper hand for once, but I don't think I'll still be playing when they finally pull their heads out their arses. swarms were stupidly op in 1.6. Shield tanks were laughable. Maddies relied on a broken rep cycle. It took alot of skill and aPC fit Maddy to not get instapopped. I loved it. On both sides. Now we see generic fits and tank spam. How is this better. If it took more than a mlt tank to be effective I would have skilled back into tanks. I agree Swarms were a bit OP (but not nearly as OP as many told they were) CCP should have done one nerf to them but not both at the same time while buffing vehicles. I think the Range nerf would be the better nerf as with the lower Range the swarmi need to get rather close and has to put himself at greater danger to fight of vehicles. Currently there is no reason to even think of using a swarm fit you are eays prey even easier than before thanks to the new rifles and can't do anything against tanks. I would say apart from RE's the forge is currently the only halfway decent AV weapon on the field.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 789	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:57:00 - [46] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Can a tanker confirm whether the militia nitro bug has been hotfixed? there are other threads for this type of nonsense.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1352	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:15:00 - [47] - Quote I'm thinking it's early days yet, conversation won't really be able to start until nitrous bug is fixed, prolly in a few days. I like CCP's design goal for tanks: a very tough active phase followed by cool-down vulnerability. It adds interesting dynamics for both the vehicle pilot and the AV infantry. Because this design is a dynamic balance, it will in all likelihood take a bit of back-and-forth adjustment before things are in a happy place. We should all cool off, wait for the bugfix, and just play for awhile. As infantry AV, i will say that the real boosted speed of the tanks will probably be the primary determining factor for my effectiveness in-match. Attacks will have to be made on the cooldown phase and this means location, location, location. The faster a vehicle, the greater the number of options available when the time comes to bug-out. My feeling is that to be effective in the AV role i'm going to be spending the entire match as AV in a logistics suit because traps are going to have to be laid and there's also going to be a lot of waiting around and dying to infantry. Kills will be either opportunistic/lucky or will be manufactured. Manufactured kills will almost certainly require 2+ coordinating infantry dedicating a significant portion or all of the match to generating those kills. That's not very appealing to me - i'm hoping when the multiple RE self-damage thing is fixed that a low-profile sticky-RE build will do the job just as well, and provide an AV option for those who don't want to spend the entire match skulking in the hills. But for now, the job of AV and tankers is to get out there and beat the everloving f*ck out of each other ;) I support SP rollover.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 359	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:18:00 - [48] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: But for now, the job of AV and tankers is target practice for the tankers Fixed
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 112	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:30:00 - [49] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: These guys have been crying since open beta ended. That's way longer than anyone, they need their turn with the paddle or they will quit. You can bet AV will get a buff, the infantry cry louder and harder. This game has become a cry till CCP gives you the win kind of affair. That's fine. Tanks will be abused and nerfed. Chromosome had everything even super tank spam. What happened to those tanks? Removed. I tanked in 1.6, it was fun any challenging. Now days Sica or soma is the equivalent of a decent tank a week ago. This is sweet as a tanker. As AV I just avoid them. Really they are so busy killing blueberries you can just walk around the battlefield. Any hope on using them for squad based combat? Don't count on it. They can't move with infantry or provide transportation. Too fast and no seats. I feel cheated in regards to seriousness. This game is more fun, but less tactical. This is really what tankers wanted? I think tanking is a joke, but jokes are fun, for a bit. we wanted viability. not tank spam and easy-to-get tanks.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 791	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:54:00 - [50] - Quote Chilling for a week is good advice. I personally think good tankers will all be running the same builds. And so will all the blueberries, just slightly less effective. A decent fit is what?750k? A MLT variant of that fit is 1/10 of that, with no sp investment. Is the badass tank 10 times more effective? Would it take 10 MLT tanks to pop him?

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1479	Posted - 2013.12.12 15:20:00 - [51] - Quote 8213 wrote: HiddenBrother wrote: You're the guy that kept redlining my 2.2 million ISK Vayu. Alone. I remember that game. My boss kept you redlined the whole game, because: 1. You were to stupid to just recall and give up. 2. Couldn't deal with ONE guy shooting you... did it ever occur to you to just jump out of your tank and shoot him? 3. We destroyed a few tanks that game as a team and you high tailed it to the redline because you got scared and paniced. You obviously don't understand tanking. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 791	Posted - 2013.12.12 15:36:00 - [52] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: 8213 wrote: HiddenBrother wrote: You're the guy that kept redlining my 2.2 million ISK Vayu. Alone. I remember that game. My boss kept you redlined the whole game, because: 1. You were to stupid to just recall and give up. 2. Couldn't deal with ONE guy shooting you... did it ever occur to you to just jump out of your tank and shoot him? 3. We destroyed a few tanks that game as a team and you high tailed it to the redline because you got scared and paniced. You obviously don't understand tanking. 8213 is a competent tanker. Also a slayer of men on the ground. He understands battle and is helpful with new guys. This fellow in the vayu was simply a coward. As cowards go he is afraid of them too. He skilled into a tank he couldn't afford and we crushed his armored column(I think ahrendee tanks for the most part) and chased him the 20 meters it took for him to make back to his ground spawn. He just hid the rest of the time. Also 1 proxy in the road held him at bay for a good 3minutes. He had a tough vayu, he was just to scared to use it. alas, glory days. Now tanking is a big joke. Maybe he will find a spine somewhere and come and play. Cowards don't usually change their stripes, its easier to change their pants.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 849	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:55:00 - [53] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Chilling for a week is good advice. I personally think good tankers will all be running the same builds. And so will all the blueberries, just slightly less effective. A decent fit is what?750k? A MLT variant of that fit is 1/10 of that, with no sp investment. Is the badass tank 10 times more effective? Would it take 10 MLT tanks to pop him? I don't know if I feel the same or different after a week. Been trying to do corp stuff. I bought some basic tanks. But usually pull out a sica to pop other tanks. Its still weird, I miss my Maddy and my 4226.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 865	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:01:00 - [54] - Quote Has a combat tank ever been about transport? Squad with people that agree to be your gunners if you want to have team play and seats. Tanks that move with infantry are dead. They help according to how they have to move and operate. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
HiddenBrother Days of Ruin 14	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:04:00 - [55] - Quote lol this guy is still whining about tanks. Ruin.


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