i have to start by saying that it is ridiculous to have needle laser like dot for its crosshair, if it is going to have such short range , its dispersion should be greater and do more damage, secondly both when ADS and when hip firing the muzzle flash makes it nearly impossible to even see the crosshair we're meant to be so accurate with, so i ask you people see for yourself , links below, in order not firing hip fire and ads, ccp save the fat people before all our kind use light weapons, we need way less muzzle flash to be able to actually see, we need more dispersion and it needs to do more damage, like radiating to that large circle, sorry the pics are all angled , i was in a hurry, apparently red dots dont care about any photo oportunitys and were shooting me in the back so hence the rush and funky angle




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With all the changes, i dont know the current laser rifle max range, but my guess is thats around 90-100m, so i'd think that a heavy machine gun should hit at those distances, not even by chance... it makes it way too OP.

With the 2.8-¦ spread it would be ~200 DPS at 100m if the target was entirely inside the cone of fire. That isn't much and the Heavy would most likely be melted by the laser rifle by that point. Besides, the laser rifle has a range of 120m.

Maybe tweak it more and have it's falloff begin at 80m so that it does even less damage at those ranges.

2nd, and regarding the post per se, if by chance a scout gets hit from 100m 2 bullets in the head from a hmg like that u say he dies, and thats nuts, im sentinel with laser and smg, and sometimes from medium range heavy machines can kill my 700hp shield before making them take cover, if you give them more range it'd be crazy.

My only counterpoint is that we are talking about a Heavy Machine Gun here. A Heavy Machine Gun that looks exactly like the M134 yet is over 5000 years in the future. The modern M134 can shred a car in 2 seconds at 1000 meters. Now I know were not playing ARMA and for game balance the thing can't have realistic range and damage. But come on, it should still resemble a Heavy Machine Gun in spirit! Where if you're in front of it while it's firing, regardless of range, then jump for cover because it's going to hurt...

Heavies are slow, big, limited in slots, and have no equipment. As such, the gun they're carrying should make up for it in sheer suppressive power.

The flare is stupid you can't see anything. Given that everyone else has these wonderful cross hairs I think the heavies should not be blinded by a stupid animation.

i have to start by saying that it is ridiculous to have needle laser like dot for its crosshair, if it is going to have such short range , its dispersion should be greater and do more damage, secondly both when ADS and when hip firing the muzzle flash makes it nearly impossible to even see the crosshair we're meant to be so accurate with, so i ask you people see for yourself , links below, in order not firing hip fire and ads, ccp save the fat people before all our kind use light weapons, we need way less muzzle flash to be able to actually see, we need more dispersion and it needs to do more damage, like radiating to that large circle, sorry the pics are all angled , i was in a hurry, apparently red dots dont care about any photo oportunitys and were shooting me in the back so hence the rush and funky angle




http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y337/noxmort3m/rant1_zps370907fd.jpg

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y337/noxmort3m/ranthipfire_zps836b0241.jpg

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y337/noxmort3m/rantads_zps77a1de29.jpg

It would be awesome to get a dev response

so i ask you people see for yourself , links below, in order not firing hip fire and ads, ccp save the fat people before all our kind use light weapons, we need way less muzzle flash to be able to actually see, we need more dispersion and it needs to do more damage,

TO LATE CCP I ALREADY HAD TO GOT DOUCHE BAG AND RUN A LIGHT WEAPON IN MY HEAVY WEAPON SLOT. I AM SURE ONCE I KILL ENOUGH MEDIUM AND LIGHT SUITS THEY WILL CRY OP ON THE HEAVY SUIT AND MAYBE THEN WE WILL HAVE A TRUE SENTINAL BACK IN THE GAME WITH A REAL HEAVY MACHINE GUN THAT CUTS TREES DOWN LIKE A MULTIBARREL MACHINE GUN SHOULD.



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I am wondering are you trying to phase out the Heavy in this game. The heavy or sentinel as you like to call it is far from being able to complete it's role of defender, guard(sentinel), or like the start of the game would show a force to be reckoned with. I don't see one new HMG weapon on your list for 1.7. As of late you have promoted scouts and free scout suits which leads me to believe you would prefer a bunch of jack rabbits running around with shotguns that poop grenades when you kill them.
The HMG is no longer a true HEAVY MACHINE GUN. If you need proof watch a modded Gek take down a heavy at close range. Even in the present there isn't much of a chance of any assualt weapon (AR) cutting down someone in front of them with a multi-barrel HMG! If you think it has to do with my own personnal skills in the game then look around and you will see Heavies running with assualt weapons or the OP-scrambler rifles or even worse a heavy with a shotgun. As of late I have had to damage mod my proto HMG just to try and compete with the damage dealt out by other advanced weapons. Awhile back you took away the range of HMG and added red and yellow flames that come out of the barrel when firing at red targets(bad idea). You took away the range and now the blast radius of the forge gun making it half the weapon it used to be for infantry kills but you are soon going to increase the power of tanks? All of this nerfing to the heavie's weapons and new weapons for other roles leads me to believe the heavy is not an important role in the future of this game and you don't mind if HMG's are not used by Heavies with heavy weapon slots.
A true sentinel of any objective should be feared as the name sentinel reflects but this is far from true and the options if you stay true to character and run heavy weapons is very shallow. Thank you, Slade

I roger what you're saying, I really do.

But why are all these pictures taken at "MySpace Selfie" angle?

i have to start by saying that it is ridiculous to have needle laser like dot for its crosshair, if it is going to have such short range , its dispersion should be greater and do more damage, secondly both when ADS and when hip firing the muzzle flash makes it nearly impossible to even see the crosshair we're meant to be so accurate with, so i ask you people see for yourself , links below, in order not firing hip fire and ads, ccp save the fat people before all our kind use light weapons, we need way less muzzle flash to be able to actually see, we need more dispersion and it needs to do more damage, like radiating to that large circle, sorry the pics are all angled , i was in a hurry, apparently red dots dont care about any photo oportunitys and were shooting me in the back so hence the rush and funky angle




http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y337/noxmort3m/rant1_zps370907fd.jpg

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y337/noxmort3m/ranthipfire_zps836b0241.jpg

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y337/noxmort3m/rantads_zps77a1de29.jpg

Sounds like it's time to get a Hip Shot Dot

new and improved photos of the struggle of the blind cotton ball shooting fat man
http://s1027.photobucket.com/user/noxmort3m/library/

i have to start by saying that it is ridiculous to have needle laser like dot for its crosshair, if it is going to have such short range , its dispersion should be greater and do more damage, secondly both when ADS and when hip firing the muzzle flash makes it nearly impossible to even see the crosshair we're meant to be so accurate with, so i ask you people see for yourself , links below, in order not firing hip fire and ads, ccp save the fat people before all our kind use light weapons, we need way less muzzle flash to be able to actually see, we need more dispersion and it needs to do more damage, like radiating to that large circle, sorry the pics are all angled , i was in a hurry, apparently red dots dont care about any photo oportunitys and were shooting me in the back so hence the rush and funky angle


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so last night before work i had my fiance take a bunch of pictures of my screen while i shot with my HMG , there are something like 15 different pictures over the course of a few mins, in most you can hardly see the red dot, in some its not so bad, but id like to point out that the flare is flickering all over the place so literally every second its covering a different part of the screen, if you actually click the images you can read the distances to the targets, this is about the best i can do my wonderful people, form your opinions, ccp , grant us your mighty dev responses

http://s1027.photobucket.com/user/noxmort3m/library/

To me its obvious ccp hates heavies. I would just like a respec at this point.

Good pics Nox. I can see that there really is no real reason to consider going back to that MH-82 I used to love so much. I think if the fire is supposed to be Pin Point accurate you should have a crosshair not a circle with a 1px dot for the crosshair if CCP used a + in the center of the circle like a O with an X or + that covers the diameter of the circle it would solve most of the issue, be easier to aim and still allow heavies some range, which is needed being so slow that a turtle can jog backwards faster than them.

...as usual CCP is ignoring heavy threads

I support heavies (they are nice people, and I am a born logi with a scout's soul [want logiscout with 2 equipment slots and no light weapon!]), and have recently proposed a plan that would increase Heavy HP by 25%-50% while at the same time making them a lock-able target by swarm launchers (or some variant of the swarms). I believe that this would promote a new angle of the traditional paper-rock-scissors::AV-vehicles-infantry game by allowing heavies a better posture in their role, and making AV users valuable infantry squad members.

I say all those nice things so that you know I'm not trolling when I point out that your pictures of "the problem" included a pile of corpses you had created "for demonstration purposes."

I LOL'd.

Bump. Do not let this thread die until CCP gives a detailed plan (if they finally have one) about what the **** are they going to do about HMGs.

I've been asking.....no pleading.....with CCP to say SOMETHING about heavies being outclassed by every other suit(with the exception of scouts in some cases)......its been since the launch of uprising........no response....it seems that they don't care

I support heavies (they are nice people, and I am a born logi with a scout's soul [want logiscout with 2 equipment slots and no light weapon!]), and have recently proposed a plan that would increase Heavy HP by 25%-50% while at the same time making them a lock-able target by swarm launchers (or some variant of the swarms). I believe that this would promote a new angle of the traditional paper-rock-scissors::AV-vehicles-infantry game by allowing heavies a better posture in their role, and making AV users valuable infantry squad members.

I say all those nice things so that you know I'm not trolling when I point out that your pictures of "the problem" included a pile of corpses you had created "for demonstration purposes."

I LOL'd.

It is no more pinpoint than any other weapon, last thing it needs is more dispersion. What it needs is way more range. It makes no sense that long barrelled HMG like that are supposed to be a CQC weapon. Its like having a sniper rifle with the range of an shotgun.

My only counterpoint is that we are talking about a Heavy Machine Gun here. A Heavy Machine Gun that looks exactly like the M134 yet is over 5000 years in the future. The modern M134 can shred a car in 2 seconds at 1000 meters. Now I know were not playing ARMA and for game balance the thing can't have realistic range and damage. But come on, it should still resemble a Heavy Machine Gun in spirit! Where if you're in front of it while it's firing, regardless of range, then jump for cover because it's going to hurt...

Heavies are slow, big, limited in slots, and have no equipment. As such, the gun they're carrying should make up for it in sheer suppressive power.

Look! I think they did something...

* Improved HMG effectiveness at short/medium range.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129785&find=unread

Ya lol when i seen it i was like ill keep it in, the corpses were donated to science,lol but ya if it makes anyone feel better those picturea were over around five deaths and most reds were in militia. Not gonna lie my girl took like fifty snap shots. I picked the 18 that looked the most valid and entertaining

yeah........really vague

I've noticed that the shots are no longer concentrated on that single tiny point, but rather spread out more into the reticule. AT least, that's how it seems since it seems easier to hit with the HMG.

WOW that looks like a giant problem; thing is that, I don't see those problems with my tv and dust graphics settings.