No, reduce the speed of vehicles. What was CCP thinking when they increased speed 10 fold. Doubling vehicle speed would have been a significant change. They went way over board.

Churning in my head a bit on how to make AV 'threatening' to vehicles considering that I just went a round where I parked a maddy and just ate everything shot at me by infantry. (approximately ate about 15 av shots and only got to half armor and didn't have hardener so there may be a number adjustment needed regardless)

As we all know the pendulum keeps swinging back and forth and now the pendulum is back in tank's favor in terms of infantry av vs tanks the problem I honestly feel is that throwing the numbers back is going to constantly just keep the pendulum swinging back and forth.

So what if we gave all the current AV weapons some form of 'debuff' that would hurt the targeted vehicles in ways they don't need to be hurt.

For example a Plasma Cannon shot becomes sticky and does its damage to the attached vehicle (or unlucky infantry) that get directly struck by it?

Forge guns slam so hard they disrupt hardeners biting into a second of effective up time remaining and increasing cooldown by a second for that cycle

AV grenades could lock up vehicle modules from activating. (this would require limiting the grenade to 1 throw)

Swarm Launchers slowing down vehicles?

These are just examples but there are plenty of legs on the stool to kick out aside from HP. like regen, shield delay, sensors, turret cooldown rates, ammo reserves the list goes on. Come up with your own that you might think would make them a viable threat and useful alone or in groups.

Anti-vehicle grenades - Slow down vehicles
Flux grenades and Forgegun shots - Reduce Active duration of modules by 1 second and increase their cooldown by 1 second.
Missiles from swarm launchers, remote explosives, and proxy mines - Reduce armor rep rate
They should also get a buff to their explosive force, so they can disrupt steering and flight even more.
Plasma Cannon shots - Reduce shield regeneration rate
The projectiles also becomes sticky and does damage over time to the target that gets directly hit.

Churning in my head a bit on how to make AV 'threatening' to vehicles considering that I just went a round where I parked a maddy and just ate everything shot at me by infantry. (approximately ate about 15 av shots and only got to half armor and didn't have hardener so there may be a number adjustment needed regardless)

As we all know the pendulum keeps swinging back and forth and now the pendulum is back in tank's favor in terms of infantry av vs tanks the problem I honestly feel is that throwing the numbers back is going to constantly just keep the pendulum swinging back and forth.

So what if we gave all the current AV weapons some form of 'debuff' that would hurt the targeted vehicles in ways they don't need to be hurt.

For example a Plasma Cannon shot becomes sticky and does its damage to the attached vehicle (or unlucky infantry) that get directly struck by it?

Forge guns slam so hard they disrupt hardeners biting into a second of effective up time remaining and increasing cooldown by a second for that cycle

AV grenades could lock up vehicle modules from activating. (this would require limiting the grenade to 1 throw)

Swarm Launchers slowing down vehicles?

These are just examples but there are plenty of legs on the stool to kick out aside from HP. like regen, shield delay, sensors, turret cooldown rates, ammo reserves the list goes on. Come up with your own that you might think would make them a viable threat and useful alone or in groups.

The speed is fine. Actual tanks are faster, and they run on diesel!

I don't think I've ever seen a game get that right before. It's irritating but there are better ways to deal with it than taking the lazy approach and making them perform like something that went obsolete in the 1940s.

Now, what players need is ways to wear them down. Something that infantry can use to ambush a tank and lock it down so they can destroy it would be ideal. Could be a webber device or something as simple as damage over a certain threshold gumming up the treads. Or both, even.

can we please not the repeat the "dropships and lavs are in a good place against AV, but tanks are a bit OP, lets buff AV. Oh look, now Dropships and lavs are dying too easily, ah well at least tanks are okay" rather than buff av, just do something about tanks specifically, dropships finally feel good again, hell all of the old dropship guys have come out of the woodwork and i have seen nothing but praise so far for the dropship changes. whatever you do, don't buff AV (well maybe buff swarms a tad), reduce tanks speed whatever instead.

edit: as to the whole buff/debuff idea, EW sounds cool, but lets make sure we have some way to counter/reduce its effect as well.

I honestly feel is that throwing the numbers back is going to constantly just keep the pendulum swinging back and forth.

On the AV side of things I understand the need to focus on changing values for testing, rather than time consuming code changes, but I still think that we won't see much improvement in game play without looking at the mechanics. Static damage application between light, medium, and heavy vehicles will always struggle for balance.

AV homing radius should respond to vehicle profile, as should swarm lock time. Larger Swarm launchers should be heavier and should track more slowly. Anti-tank missiles should be guide by wire not fire and forget. Let LAVs and dropships speed and signature tank and give scout LAVs and assault dropships a role at the same time.

Please remember I'm seriously running for CPM 1

I'm on the fence on which way to go. On one hand you can add debuffs to all AV weapons I fear they will be useless, 1 second? On the other hand introducing 2-3 brand new EW equipment would require art production and effects, lots of other busy work and would take more time away from other features like new Minmatar LAV and HAV. I would argue it's a waste of arts time.

I would propose a middle ground. Using existing AV weapons lower the production and time needed to deliver.

Web Swarm launcher
0 Damage
150 range *too much?*
velocity lowered by 50% for 3/5/7 seconds, multiple shots reset the timer
skill for 5% per level more duration

Web Prox mine
0 Damage
Velocity lowered by 50% for 5/7/9 seconds
same skill bonus

What else do we need? I'm serious I can't think of anything more important. Also Why do tanks move so fast uphill while LAVs slow down while going uphill? That's not fair... Anyways let me go on.

Other effects like a low damage forge gun that saps cap would be awesome, but CCP needs to introduce cap mechanics into dust. Lets just focus on two forms of web warfare using weapons already in the game is genius. If you put small de-buffs on normal weapons you create more balance issues than you even want to have to waste time on.

Also, remove the 360 3rd person view from all vehicles (dropships could keep it). If a tank gets it for some reason, why does my dropsuit not? Limit it so you have blind spots.

Churning in my head a bit on how to make AV 'threatening' to vehicles considering that I just went a round where I parked a maddy and just ate everything shot at me by infantry. (approximately ate about 15 av shots and only got to half armor and didn't have hardener so there may be a number adjustment needed regardless)

As we all know the pendulum keeps swinging back and forth and now the pendulum is back in tank's favor in terms of infantry av vs tanks the problem I honestly feel is that throwing the numbers back is going to constantly just keep the pendulum swinging back and forth.

So what if we gave all the current AV weapons some form of 'debuff' that would hurt the targeted vehicles in ways they don't need to be hurt.

For example a Plasma Cannon shot becomes sticky and does its damage to the attached vehicle (or unlucky infantry) that get directly struck by it?

Forge guns slam so hard they disrupt hardeners biting into a second of effective up time remaining and increasing cooldown by a second for that cycle

AV grenades could lock up vehicle modules from activating. (this would require limiting the grenade to 1 throw)

Swarm Launchers slowing down vehicles?

These are just examples but there are plenty of legs on the stool to kick out aside from HP. like regen, shield delay, sensors, turret cooldown rates, ammo reserves the list goes on. Come up with your own that you might think would make them a viable threat and useful alone or in groups.

can we please not the repeat the "dropships and lavs are in a good place against AV, but tanks are a bit OP, lets buff AV. Oh look, now Dropships and lavs are dying too easily, ah well at least tanks are okay" rather than buff av, just do something about tanks specifically, dropships finally feel good again, hell all of the old dropship guys have come out of the woodwork and i have seen nothing but praise so far for the dropship changes. whatever you do, don't buff AV (well maybe buff swarms a tad), reduce tanks speed whatever instead.

edit: as to the whole buff/debuff idea, EW sounds cool, but lets make sure we have some way to counter/reduce its effect as well.

Churning in my head a bit on how to make AV 'threatening' to vehicles considering that I just went a round where I parked a maddy and just ate everything shot at me by infantry. (approximately ate about 15 av shots and only got to half armor and didn't have hardener so there may be a number adjustment needed regardless)

As we all know the pendulum keeps swinging back and forth and now the pendulum is back in tank's favor in terms of infantry av vs tanks the problem I honestly feel is that throwing the numbers back is going to constantly just keep the pendulum swinging back and forth.

So what if we gave all the current AV weapons some form of 'debuff' that would hurt the targeted vehicles in ways they don't need to be hurt.

For example a Plasma Cannon shot becomes sticky and does its damage to the attached vehicle (or unlucky infantry) that get directly struck by it?

Forge guns slam so hard they disrupt hardeners biting into a second of effective up time remaining and increasing cooldown by a second for that cycle

AV grenades could lock up vehicle modules from activating. (this would require limiting the grenade to 1 throw)

Swarm Launchers slowing down vehicles?

These are just examples but there are plenty of legs on the stool to kick out aside from HP. like regen, shield delay, sensors, turret cooldown rates, ammo reserves the list goes on. Come up with your own that you might think would make them a viable threat and useful alone or in groups.

lolno

How does a FG disrupt something thats inside a vehicle?

How does a nade lock up a switch?

How does a swarm slow down a vehicle?


Just more bad ideas again from infantry


If you want EWAR and webs and neuts and tracking disruptors then add in capacitors for all vehicles, copy and paste from EVE all the mods/skills and transfer into DUST

lolno

How does a FG disrupt something thats inside a vehicle?

How does a nade lock up a switch?

How does a swarm slow down a vehicle?


Just more bad ideas again from infantry


If you want EWAR and webs and neuts and tracking disruptors then add in capacitors for all vehicles, copy and paste from EVE all the mods/skills and transfer into DUST

Or, now that active mods are king, EWAR equipment.

Grenades that reduce "capacitor" (the time left on the module running).

AoE Hives/Webifiers that slow vehicles/nullify nitrus boosts(could be activated when run over at high speed

Just a few ideas.

Or just add capacitors so Ccp doesn't halfass another eve mechanic into dust.
Do it right or not at all.
5 module slots are bad enough.

Give me my prototype tanks!