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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:39:00 -
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Really? Who ever wanted a faster TTK!
Here is the link
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1586138#post1586138 |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:42:00 -
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But.. he says that mods should matter? 
KDR > ALL
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:43:00 -
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They should buff damage on other weapons then, cause right now only rifles are viable
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:45:00 -
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This is why I quit. I don't even give a **** about 1.7 either.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:45:00 -
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Yeah, THAT is what I was worried about that.
Faster TTK evens/smoothens out the skill gap between noobs and vets. This means everyone will die more frequently, which means people who use AUR gear will have to purchase AUR gear more frequently.
The current TTK also falls between the TTK from other games like halo and battlefield.
It just makes sense. It's just something that we have to get used to I suppose.  |
Drak velvel
Blauhelme
Die Fremdenlegion
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:46:00 -
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lol, more tactics and squads, nice when you die most the time there could be tactics
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:46:00 -
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Actually he says he wants to make it just long enough that circle strafing and bunny hopping isn't viable.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4142
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:47:00 -
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It must be because they want to have new players feel like they are getting kills? But then why skill into all these mids if they do so very little to helps you stay alive? |
Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:This is why I quit. I don't even give a **** about 1.7 either.
Dust 514 is so FOTM. 
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:52:00 -
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CCP Remnant wrote: the TTK IGÇÖd like to see in DUST is one long enough for the differences in dropsuit fittings (be that higher damage, more HP or faster regen) to help shape the outcome, but short enough to not have to dance around my opponent until one of us is mercifully put out of our misery; that fine line where the edge given by twitch skill or a smart fitting blurs and the outcome becomes unpredictable
At no point does he say TTK is currently "working as intended".
He talks about the TTK he'd "like to see", implying strongly that what we have right now is different.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:55:00 -
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Quote:
1. I believe that TTK (Time-to-Kill) was never intended to be as short as it is now. What kind of FPS does CCP want DUST to be?
by Vrain Matari, ZionTCD, DUST 514 Forums
A fun FPS :)
First and foremost, combat should be fun. Long TTK is not fun if itGÇÖs the result of loose controls, poor aim assists or dance-strafing/bunny-hopping combat GÇô all problems that DUST has suffered from in the past.
What the actual ****.
He is basically saying he wants footwork to not matter in an engagement. Everyone should should just slowly turret around and hope for the best.
Jeez.
And I hate the use of the turn "bunny hopping" to mean any jumping at all. Bunny hopping specifically refers to an abuse of some quake engine physics to gain ridiculous speed by jumping and strafing. Just jumping around *IS NOT* bunny hopping.
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:55:00 -
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Stupid to have different movement speed on suits if strafing is marginalized.
CCP, what are you DOING??
KDR > ALL
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ME > ALL
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God Hates Lags
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:56:00 -
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That answer was the of the finest displays of someone giving the longest answer possible while still at no point actually answer the question asked. Remnant has a career in politics.
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:13:00 -
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TTK was too long in 1.3. I hope that's what he was referring to. I think 1.4 - 1.5 was pretty close to the sweet spot, but still a little too short. 1.6+ has been miserably broken IMO. Short TTK is the wrong way to balance noobs vs. vets (improved matchmaking, 2nd tier optional academy up to 2-5 million SP etc. would be better solutions for that).
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:20:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Stupid to have different movement speed on suits if strafing is marginalized.
CCP, what are you DOING??
Speed tanking is really unique feature in dust and EVE. Its a skill that needs to be perfectedn by the player. Why get rid of it?
The advantage of strafing is avoiding bullets, and it still does that. What it doesn't do anymore is stop hits from registering. In other words, the game works much better now. |
Billi Gene
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:21:00 -
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dying within a span of a couple of seconds or less is not fun.
not when ive tanked out my Logi suit as hard as i can, i don't even use damage mods on my logi suits.
the worst is when one doesnt even have enough time to ascertain where you are getting shot from.
And no not talking niche weapons like the sniper rifle MD or forge or cannon....
currently TTK is too short ..."imho"
Pedant, Ape, Troll.
My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:30:00 -
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Why even have dropsuits with different slot layouts, movement speeds or anything other than shields and armor modules. They're totally saving face here. They don't want to fix TTK because it's going to require work to do so. At this point they might as well make the game turn based since they don't understand FPS fundamentals. Hell, there's even strafing in CoD.
Now we jus got another middle of the road FTP CoD with a spreadsheet added for window dressing. I'm officially done.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:34:00 -
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Wow... That really shook my hopes for Dust...
They do realize many people got into this game because it wasn't another twitch shooter right?
The only reason I was continuing to play from time to time was my hope that CCP would increase TTK and make fittings other than armor/dual/damage tanks viable again.
My Plasma Cannon relies on a long TTK. Idk if I'm going to keep playing Dust anymore...
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The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:36:00 -
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You misinterpreted what he said. As Spectral Clone points out, he said that TTK should be long enough that module choice matters. That means longer than the current TTK.
I expect they want to see data from all 4 Infantry Rifle variants before they do the TTK tweak. Hopefully we will see at least some minor tweaking in 1.8. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:39:00 -
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I got BF4 on PC in bday present from my brother.
Good fps. Good platform (future proof). Good keyboard and mouse controls.
Havent installed it yet though :) Maybe I should not play dust tonight...
KDR > ALL
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ME > ALL
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:42:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:You misinterpreted what he said. As Spectral Clone points out, he said that TTK should be long enough that module choice matters. That means longer than the current TTK. I expect they want to see data from all 4 Infantry Rifle variants before they do the TTK tweak. Hopefully we will see at least some minor tweaking in 1.8.
Don't you think this should've been resolved in Alpha? Almost 2 years and they can't get this game right. I had my hopes, but it looks like no DICE.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:44:00 -
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Do people even read the things they are linking? In no point does it say that TTK is 'working as intended'
Learn to read you idiots.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published 05/12/13
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:44:00 -
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And if anyone is wondering why I'm royally pissed off right now, that was my question, phrased exactly the way I posted it.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:45:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Wow... That really shook my hopes for Dust...
They do realize many people got into this game because it wasn't another twitch shooter right?
The only reason I was continuing to play from time to time was my hope that CCP would increase TTK and make fittings other than armor/dual/damage tanks viable again.
My Plasma Cannon relies on a long TTK. Idk if I'm going to keep playing Dust anymore...
What shakes my hopes for DUST are people who takes a Troll at his word without actually reading what he linked, and people who actually read it but completely fail at reading comprehension. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:46:00 -
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I did because of growth of the game. If we stayed on course Dust 514 would of died.
Troll, For lifeGǪ But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:48:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Wow... That really shook my hopes for Dust...
They do realize many people got into this game because it wasn't another twitch shooter right?
The only reason I was continuing to play from time to time was my hope that CCP would increase TTK and make fittings other than armor/dual/damage tanks viable again.
My Plasma Cannon relies on a long TTK. Idk if I'm going to keep playing Dust anymore... What shakes my hopes for DUST are people who takes a Troll at his word without actually reading what he linked, and people who actually read it but completely fail at reading comprehension. By the way, did you completely miss the stealth Buff to the Plasma Cannon?
What did they do to my baby?
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:49:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:You misinterpreted what he said. As Spectral Clone points out, he said that TTK should be long enough that module choice matters. That means longer than the current TTK. I expect they want to see data from all 4 Infantry Rifle variants before they do the TTK tweak. Hopefully we will see at least some minor tweaking in 1.8. Don't you think this should've been resolved in Alpha? Almost 2 years and they can't get this game right. I had my hopes, but it looks like no DICE.
To be fair, the game was balanced around sh*tty hit detection. As the underlying engine has improved, balance adjustments need to be made. It would have been great if CCP could have made a flawless engine in Alpha, but it's not a realistic expectation. I just hope they realize that TTK needs to increase significantly or they are going to loose a lot of players. Peek-a-boo twitch shooting with scanner spam isn't a fun mechanic.
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:52:00 -
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Its really fun to see people misinterpreting what someone wrote and then raging about that misinterpretation.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:54:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Wow... That really shook my hopes for Dust...
They do realize many people got into this game because it wasn't another twitch shooter right?
The only reason I was continuing to play from time to time was my hope that CCP would increase TTK and make fittings other than armor/dual/damage tanks viable again.
My Plasma Cannon relies on a long TTK. Idk if I'm going to keep playing Dust anymore... What shakes my hopes for DUST are people who takes a Troll at his word without actually reading what he linked, and people who actually read it but completely fail at reading comprehension. By the way, did you completely miss the stealth Buff to the Plasma Cannon?
I read the link. It sounds like CCP Remnant is happy where we are now... I am not happy where we are now.
Also, did they "fix" it? It better still be the same weapon that it was before, or I really won't have a reason to play Dust anymore.
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:55:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Its really fun to see people misinterpreting what someone wrote and then raging about that misinterpretation.
Try re reading it yourself. Instead of quoting one sentence comprehend the whole paragraph as whole. Good luck.
First and foremost, combat should be fun. Long TTK is not fun if itGÇÖs the result of loose controls, poor aim assists or dance-strafing/bunny-hopping combat GÇô all problems that DUST has suffered from in the past. The work weGÇÖve done on aim and control systems has only really come together in the last few months, and this combined with recent changes to weapon range have been the biggest culprits behind the shorter TTK. ItGÇÖs taken us longer than weGÇÖd have liked, but I do believe that the second-to-second combat in DUST is more enjoyable than itGÇÖs ever been. Not perfect, but a lot better. DUST is very much a game about outcomes and so the TTK IGÇÖd like to see in DUST is one long enough for the differences in dropsuit fittings (be that higher damage, more HP or faster regen) to help shape the outcome, but short enough to not have to dance around my opponent until one of us is mercifully put out of our misery; that fine line where the edge given by twitch skill or a smart fitting blurs and the outcome becomes unpredictable. Beyond that, though, is the minute-to-minute battlefield experience, the sort of timescale where squad play, tactics and combined roles become a larger factor in the outcome of a firefight, and this is an area that will get significant attention going forward. |
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