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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1659
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:30:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Send another tank after it. No more rock, paper, scissors, it's just tank>infantry, is it? No wonder the game is dying with geniuses like this running things. I'm shocked that you of all people say that, two people will blow a tank up no problem so what is the problem? All I see are solo av people butthurt they can't solo now. The tanks in ww2 needed teams to take out so clearly a behemoth 22 thousand years in the future will need two guys. The problem isn't the tanks, its solo av barbarian's. Someone's been drinking the tank coolant too often. Neither vehicles or AV are supposed to have an empirical advantage. If so a squad with just two tanks on the field would already have 12.5% more equivalent infantry on the ground, vehicles are not a replacement for teamwork. Because of this, one tank should be a me to take out one AV guy and vice versa.
Someone's projecting what they think it should be like as opposed to how it should be.
A tank IS an advantage, you get in a tank to gain a slaying advantage, its not a tin can mate, the whole point of a tank is so your side gains an advantage, you don't bring a tank onto the field because theres no advantage do you lol
Its a tank ffs and my point still stands as you can clearly tell from the game and reality.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1659
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:32:00 -
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Me and a corp mate can demolish any tank within seconds.
Solo av barbarians.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
230
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Ahem
Its Tank Rock <> Tank Paper <> Tank Scissors now.
I am sure you can squeeze in a LAV in it.
SO ... Sab any word about putting WP for AV damage back in ?
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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LudiKure ninda
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
54
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:34:00 -
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tank 514 finaly :DDD
I can finaly stomp infantry with my tank until rail/mislle tank comes in |
Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
230
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:35:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Me and a corp mate can demolish any tank within seconds.
Solo av barbarians.
Which one of you gets paid ? Or do you switch of the kill shot ? When did AV become playing the frigging lottery in order to make a profit ?
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11153
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:36:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Ahem
Its Tank Rock <> Tank Paper <> Tank Scissors now.
I am sure you can squeeze in a LAV in it. SO ... Sab any word about putting WP for AV damage back in ?
I need a few days to see the environment through.
Right now I feel a hell lot safer calling a tank down for some odd reason to engage other tanks at least.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1659
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:36:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Me and a corp mate can demolish any tank within seconds.
Solo av barbarians. Which one of you gets paid ? Or do you switch of the kill shot ? When did AV become playing the frigging lottery in order to make a profit ?
I have no idea what that has to do with anything.
You sir are clearly a solo av scrubber, posts hidden, good day.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
1161
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:37:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:Thats not a counter if the only counter for z is z or z+ theres something wrong, granted i dont actually know if the tank speed is op have yet to play 1.7 just a responce to the send another tank responce On the contrary, tank speed is a VERY good thing. It means tanks have more of a "shock trooper" role. Come in, do massive damage, and leave for a minute of whatever. If you have a proto AV squad keeping watch it'll probably be pretty reasonable to kill these tanks but otherwise, if left uncontested, these things will be able to do good damage again! (which is what they wanted I believe). AV squads are the easiest units to kill in the game, they lack tank, speed and stealth. One guy with a Militia AR and you can take half of them out no problem. I've gone slaying with a swarm+SMG fit. Don't give me the ''AV Players are defenseless'' crap. If they can't defend themselves with an SMG, that their fault.
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The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
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Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
223
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:40:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Slag Emberforge wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Send another tank after it. No more rock, paper, scissors, it's just tank>infantry, is it? No wonder the game is dying with geniuses like this running things. I'm shocked that you of all people say that, two people will blow a tank up no problem so what is the problem? All I see are solo av people butthurt they can't solo now. The tanks in ww2 needed teams to take out so clearly a behemoth 22 thousand years in the future will need two guys. The problem isn't the tanks, its solo av barbarian's. Someone's been drinking the tank coolant too often. Neither vehicles or AV are supposed to have an empirical advantage. If so a squad with just two tanks on the field would already have 12.5% more equivalent infantry on the ground, vehicles are not a replacement for teamwork. Because of this, one tank should be a me to take out one AV guy and vice versa. Someone's projecting what they think it should be like as opposed to how it should be. A tank IS an advantage, you get in a tank to gain a slaying advantage, its not a tin can mate, the whole point of a tank is so your side gains an advantage, you don't bring a tank onto the field because theres no advantage do you lol Its a tank ffs and my point still stands as you can clearly tell from the game and reality.
It's been said before it'll be said again, this game is risk vs reward, tanks are a game changer without the appropriate counter on the field, and while tanks are literally superior ok every way to infantry, av is not. To allow for fun competitive play, bringing out tanks can't be considered a "win button" I don't give a **** how much your tank costs, it doesn't make sense that one side requires teamwork and the other requires none.
Also don't bring realism into this argument, not only does it not have a place in dust, it also only leads you to being wrong. One Javelin can take out a tank. Mini-guns are accurate to 600m, and mass drivers equivalent the m203, has a 15ft KILL radius per shot.
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Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
223
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:44:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:Thats not a counter if the only counter for z is z or z+ theres something wrong, granted i dont actually know if the tank speed is op have yet to play 1.7 just a responce to the send another tank responce On the contrary, tank speed is a VERY good thing. It means tanks have more of a "shock trooper" role. Come in, do massive damage, and leave for a minute of whatever. If you have a proto AV squad keeping watch it'll probably be pretty reasonable to kill these tanks but otherwise, if left uncontested, these things will be able to do good damage again! (which is what they wanted I believe). AV squads are the easiest units to kill in the game, they lack tank, speed and stealth. One guy with a Militia AR and you can take half of them out no problem. I've gone slaying with a swarm+SMG fit. Don't give me the ''AV Players are defenseless'' crap. If they can't defend themselves with an SMG, that their fault.
SMGs are awesome, until you get riddled at 60 meters by an assault rifle or SCR. Good luck killing anyone of equivalent gear at that range. Also wasting the time to shoot them can easily allow vehicles to escape, now more than ever. |
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Thanatus Sleep
65
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:33:00 -
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Yup NEW God Mode.
Great men are forged in fire. It is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame. Whatever the cost.
> Warrior Doctor
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
822
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:35:00 -
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Booker DaFooker wrote:Thanatus Sleep wrote:So fast you can't kill. Faster than swarms? I fear not sharp turn and 50% of the missile crash into the ground during the attempt to realign to the new direction.
this is how it has always been which I mentioned several times but obviously nobody cared, just the usual CoD kids responded with some troll posts.
welcome to tanks 514 |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1661
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:43:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Booker DaFooker wrote:Thanatus Sleep wrote:So fast you can't kill. Faster than swarms? I fear not sharp turn and 50% of the missile crash into the ground during the attempt to realign to the new direction. this is how it has always been which I mentioned several times but obviously nobody cared about swarm pathing once a certain speed is reached, just the usual CoD kids responded with some troll posts. welcome to tanks 514
Oh look another solo av barbarian who calls people cod kids yet wants to solo tanks, you are a fool who is good a trolling, posts also hidden.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
822
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:55:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Booker DaFooker wrote:Thanatus Sleep wrote:So fast you can't kill. Faster than swarms? I fear not sharp turn and 50% of the missile crash into the ground during the attempt to realign to the new direction. this is how it has always been which I mentioned several times but obviously nobody cared about swarm pathing once a certain speed is reached, just the usual CoD kids responded with some troll posts. welcome to tanks 514 Oh look another solo av barbarian who calls people cod kids yet wants to solo tanks, you are a fool who is good a trolling, posts also hidden. please try again when you are able to provide something of value with some arguments instead of this pathetic troll answer all you have done is just make yourself look stupid.
first of all, as long as you can drive a tank solo a solo player should be able to hold a tank off. this is not rocket science, as soon as a tank is equal more than a single suit you create an arfiticial balance issue which turns the game into "the team with more tanks win"
and to clear things up, pre patch tanks were not soloable when driven by a nonscrub. the problem was that AV scaled too fast compared to tanks and tanks were a bit too low on hp. I posted the math several times how long it takes to down a SP maxed tank with proper fit solo pre patch moths ago and the question is, what was the tank driver doing in those 20 to 30 seconds while being shot by a single guy? masturbating? tank whines only serve a single thing, highlight which player is just bad at tank driving.
I also warned when tank vehicle changes were announced that 20k+ehp is already much and every further change has to be done with cauiton but instead of only changaing tanks the devs also have thrown AV nerf into it the mix. now we have vehicles with 20k+ ehp and AV weaponry doing 30% less damage.
now you have the complete opposite to before, sooner or later tanks will get nerfed again and histroy repeats. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1479
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Send another tank after it. I love you, cause you get it!!!
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
272
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:12:00 -
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I just witnessed a flurry of tank on tank combat, and it was hilarious. Watching these things zoom around like go-carts and shooting each other...just hilarious. Totally ignored me, a lone infantryman amid a tornado of tank violence.
I saw one injured Madrugar try to retreat, but he was so fast that he zoomed backwards and hit a rock formation that was a good 15-20 ft behind him, and instantly exploded. Careful tankers, that speed might turn into your enemy! |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1486
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:15:00 -
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Forge Gun needs a buff....
....
... what?
The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
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Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
724
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:21:00 -
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Thanatus Sleep wrote:swarms suck balls now. TANK 514 Na just sounds like you suck balls and are used to easy mode swarms. They have pampered you way to long and now you lost your ability to think.
Going after a tank when it is hardened will only lose you your battle. You need to watch how it engages and then watch what they do when they disengage. Next time they engage go to where they pull out and you will have a easy kill with a tank that has no hardeners on. |
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
18
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:23:00 -
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At least tanks are not flying for the whole time...
Aren't they, right?
If you're an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
148
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:29:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Send another tank after it. No more rock, paper, scissors, it's just tank>infantry, is it? No wonder the game is dying with geniuses like this running things. I'm shocked that you of all people say that, two people will blow a tank up no problem so what is the problem? All I see are solo av people butthurt they can't solo now. The tanks in ww2 needed teams to take out so clearly a behemoth 22 thousand years in the future will need two guys. The problem isn't the tanks, its solo av barbarian's. 12 year old German children were able to solo tanks in WW2 with a Panzerfaust. Tanks can be taken out solo in today's wars. But to be totally honest there shouldn't even be any tanks in the future. The advanced weaponry and drones would render them useless.
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Thanatus Sleep
66
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:31:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Thanatus Sleep wrote:swarms suck balls now. TANK 514 Na just sounds like you suck balls and are used to easy mode swarms. They have pampered you way to long and now you lost your ability to think. Going after a tank when it is hardened will only lose you your battle. You need to watch how it engages and then watch what they do when they disengage. Next time they engage go to where they pull out and you will have a easy kill with a tank that has no hardeners on.
Yeah it take skill to speed back to the red line and roof FG is skill.
Don't know why guy keep give tip about tank that I know seen beta.
Great men are forged in fire. It is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame. Whatever the cost.
> Warrior Doctor
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Thanatus Sleep
66
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:33:00 -
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote:At least tanks are not flying for the whole time...
Aren't they, right?
Tank can fly for .5 sec now going full speed.
LOL, Ram a tank it funny as hell.
Great men are forged in fire. It is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame. Whatever the cost.
> Warrior Doctor
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4141
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:34:00 -
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Its pretty unbeiliavable as a forger I took a shot at a tank at my maximum range got his attention and he drove the distance before I could get my third shot out, now I did not have an lav close to me, so I was toast cause I had no where to run so after throwing my 3 proto av nades I was space particles.
The speed is wish my scout suit could carry the damn forge. Tactics are a changing |
Thanatus Sleep
66
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Posted - 2013.12.10 15:39:00 -
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Tank speed now is how scout need to be. LOL
Great men are forged in fire. It is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame. Whatever the cost.
> Warrior Doctor
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Thumb Green
Novashift
560
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:10:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Send another tank after it. No more rock, paper, scissors, it's just tank>infantry, is it? No wonder the game is dying with geniuses like this running things. I'm shocked that you of all people say that, two people will blow a tank up no problem so what is the problem? All I see are solo av people butthurt they can't solo now. The tanks in ww2 needed teams to take out so clearly a behemoth 22 thousand years in the future will need two guys.The problem isn't the tanks, its solo av barbarian's.
Someone doesn't know their ww2 weaponry very well. Say hello to the Panzerfaust "was operated by a single soldier", "The weapon, when correctly fired from the crook of the arm, could with its shaped charge warhead penetrate the armor of any armoured fighting vehicle of the period."
Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
823
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:16:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Send another tank after it. No more rock, paper, scissors, it's just tank>infantry, is it? No wonder the game is dying with geniuses like this running things. I'm shocked that you of all people say that, two people will blow a tank up no problem so what is the problem? All I see are solo av people butthurt they can't solo now. The tanks in ww2 needed teams to take out so clearly a behemoth 22 thousand years in the future will need two guys.The problem isn't the tanks, its solo av barbarian's. Someone doesn't know their ww2 weaponry very well. Say hello to the Panzerfaust "was operated by a single soldier", "The weapon, when correctly fired from the crook of the arm, could with its shaped charge warhead penetrate the armor of any armoured fighting vehicle of the period." yeah it is really funny when some internet historians think they know something.
and btw AV grenade also easily destroyed tanks because armor on tanks is thin on the top or under the tank. |
D3LTA Blitzkrieg II
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
65
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:22:00 -
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armor tanks plus active fuel injector is like a bullet shot out of a gun, OP as fuk. Nerf the speed and make some damn sense with the armor plates! Shield tank could use a little nerf in speed as well
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
985
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:26:00 -
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D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote:armor tanks plus active fuel injector is like a bullet shot out of a gun, OP as fuk. Nerf the speed and make some damn sense with the armor plates! Shield tank could use a little nerf in speed as well agreed. vehicle combat is to twitchy. it's all about who catches the other person with their resist down. then the fight ends in 2 seconds. not very cool
So about those vehicle locks...
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Phaize Kilrathi
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:45:00 -
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Kam Elto wrote: But to be totally honest there shouldn't even be any tanks in the future. The advanced weaponry and drones would render them useless.
Drone Tanks
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D3LTA Blitzkrieg II
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
65
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Posted - 2013.12.10 16:47:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote:armor tanks plus active fuel injector is like a bullet shot out of a gun, OP as fuk. Nerf the speed and make some damn sense with the armor plates! Shield tank could use a little nerf in speed as well agreed. vehicle combat is to twitchy. it's all about who catches the other person with their resist down. then the fight ends in 2 seconds. not very cool
slow em down. They outrun swarms
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