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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:46:00 -
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Well, it's finally time for 1.7. This presents me with a problem. I will be getting dropship, LLAV and turret SP back along with some from the core vehicle skills. I'll be getting back around 1,100,000-1,200,000 SP, and I have about 300,000 saved up right now. Here's the issue I'm working on is how to spend it:
I run Minmatar suits mostly, and plan to exclusively now that the Combat Rifle comes out with it's improved fitting requirements. However, I've been putting off getting a proto suit for the LONGEST time (23m+ SP, still no proto. I am TERRIBLE at saving SP lol, I have about 10 AUR ones for fitting experiments and I have SOOO MANY PASSIVE SKILLS), and I'd really like to get one by using this SP I am getting back. However, I also want to get my new Combat rifle. My current Minmatar Assault skill is at 3, so I still have 2 levels to go to proto and this SP won't put me in it, but it WILL put me close enough that I'd be willing to finish saving for it.
Soooo... should I apply all of my SP to the CR? Should I save it all and go for my proto? Or should I grab the first 3-4 levels of the CR and save the rest for working on my proto suit?
MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!
MATARI PRIDE!!
FIX TTK!!
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance
581
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:51:00 -
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At the very least - play FW for LP and try out a loyalty CR (or bypass this and get a AUR one)
You can make a more informed decision on if the rifle is right for you
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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Bad Heal
PwNdCaKeSnRapLeSyrup
96
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:53:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Well, it's finally time for 1.7. This presents me with a problem. I will be getting dropship, LLAV and turret SP back along with some from the core vehicle skills. I'll be getting back around 1,100,000-1,200,000 SP, and I have about 300,000 saved up right now. Here's the issue I'm working on is how to spend it: I run Minmatar suits mostly, and plan to exclusively now that the Combat Rifle comes out with it's improved fitting requirements. However, I've been putting off getting a proto suit for the LONGEST time (23m+ SP, still no proto. I am TERRIBLE at saving SP lol, I have about 10 AUR ones for fitting experiments and I have SOOO MANY PASSIVE SKILLS ), and I'd really like to get one by using this SP I am getting back. However, I also want to get my new Combat rifle. My current Minmatar Assault skill is at 3, so I still have 2 levels to go to proto and this SP won't put me in it, but it WILL put me close enough that I'd be willing to finish saving for it. Soooo... should I apply all of my SP to the CR? Should I save it all and go for my proto? Or should I grab the first 3-4 levels of the CR and save the rest for working on my proto suit?
You wont have enough to max out the CR but you will be able to finish that suit. Plus rest is coming you could get your CR with those points and participate in the Dec 11-18 event. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
823
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:53:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:At the very least - play FW for LP and try out a loyalty CR (or bypass this and get a AUR one)
You can make a more informed decision on if the rifle is right for you I know I want the rifle. There has been no doubt in my mind on that. If it's the most UP weapon in the game, I still want it. I will MAKE it OP. I just need to decide which I want to get first. Having trouble deciding, so I figured I'd ask the community while we await the CR arrival.
MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!
MATARI PRIDE!!
FIX TTK!!
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DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
359
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:57:00 -
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If your gunna grab one of em grab the suit, the grind for the suit is WAY too real and it will take what 2-3 weeks to get the combat rifle with prof 3? |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
2202
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:03:00 -
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The only reason you'd want prototype suits is for PC.
But the thing is, if you're frame rate sucks (powerpoint) or your network connection is weak (rubberbanding), then no amount of prototype gear will save you. With a good connection and frame rate I've managed to deal some damage in PC with advanced gear. That may be specifically because I'm a logibro though, and I'm hiding behind corpies who DO have prototype gear.
I never go for higher grade weapons than the suit, though. That's one of my rules for building good fittings. Not sure if it's effective but it keeps costs down. So if you want to max out a weapon, max the dropsuit first.
"When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
601
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:24:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:At the very least - play FW for LP and try out a loyalty CR (or bypass this and get a AUR one)
You can make a more informed decision on if the rifle is right for you I know I want the rifle. There has been no doubt in my mind on that. If it's the most UP weapon in the game, I still want it. I will MAKE it OP. I just need to decide which I want to get first. Having trouble deciding, so I figured I'd ask the community while we await the CR arrival.
Tough choise, I'd say get to LV three CbR, then go proto suit, and use the specialist CbR until, until you can get it skilled up. *shrugs*
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
823
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:45:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:At the very least - play FW for LP and try out a loyalty CR (or bypass this and get a AUR one)
You can make a more informed decision on if the rifle is right for you I know I want the rifle. There has been no doubt in my mind on that. If it's the most UP weapon in the game, I still want it. I will MAKE it OP. I just need to decide which I want to get first. Having trouble deciding, so I figured I'd ask the community while we await the CR arrival. Tough choise, I'd say get to LV three CbR, then go proto suit, and use the specialist CbR until, until you can get it skilled up. *shrugs* Yeah... that's what I was thinking too. Just wanted a second opinion. Thanks.
MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!
MATARI PRIDE!!
FIX TTK!!
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
1582
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:49:00 -
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I have two prototype suits and I still run ADV 90% of the time.
Trust me, some ADV suits become better than proto if you fit them right. However, the minmatar Assault isn't one of them I'm afraid :/ It's a rare case where the proto version of that suit is 100x better simply because you can fit so much more. Then again, passive skills usually make any ADV suit good, you just need to use it right.
If I were you I'd get minmatar logi to ADV if you like minmatar. I've been doing super well with it and it has the perfect amount of slots for almost any kind of role.
Having more versatility (i.e. more types of suits and weapons) is much better than just running the same proto suit over and over again. I have skills in shotguns, mass drivers, Forge guns, Heavy suits, HMGs, Scrambler Rifles, and soon here I will have the combat rifle maxed.
I have 26 million, and only have a few regrets in terms of unwise skill point spending (commando suits, plasma cannon, Assault Rifles, uplinks past level 2, etc). Another thing is that I don't have passives like hacking, armor, or shield upgrades past level 4. That amount of skill points they cost to upgrade compared to the benefit of the upgrade is not worthwhile. Same thing with weapon proficiency past level 3 for most weapons (scrambler and combat rifles are the only exception).
If you still can't decide, spend your points towards a prototype suit. You'll be happy later. Weapons are EASY to skill into compared to suits. It costs 600k to get to lvl 5 operation, and another 300 if you want proficiency 3 (9% extra damage). Best part is each step of the way takes only a short while to save up skill points for, and isn't just you sitting there waiting for 1 million sp. You won't ever have another chance like this so use that large chunk of skill points to your advantage.
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Varoth Drac
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:52:00 -
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I reckon it's much better to run a proto suit and an advanced weapon than a proto weapon on an advanced suit.
Go for the suit first. Skilling up weapons feels like less of a grind so will be easier after you've spent your saved sp. |
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
823
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:59:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I have two prototype suits and I still run ADV 90% of the time.
Trust me, some ADV suits become better than proto if you fit them right. However, the minmatar Assault isn't one of them I'm afraid :/ It's a rare case where the proto version of that suit is 100x better simply because you can fit so much more. Then again, passive skills usually make any ADV suit good, you just need to use it right.
If I were you I'd get minmatar logi to ADV if you like minmatar. I've been doing super well with it and it has the perfect amount of slots for almost any kind of role.
Having more versatility (i.e. more types of suits and weapons) is much better than just running the same proto suit over and over again. I have skills in shotguns, mass drivers, Forge guns, Heavy suits, HMGs, Scrambler Rifles, and soon here I will have the combat rifle maxed.
I have 26 million, and only have a few regrets in terms of unwise skill point spending (commando suits, plasma cannon, Assault Rifles, uplinks past level 2, etc). Another thing is that I don't have passives like hacking, armor, or shield upgrades past level 4. That amount of skill points they cost to upgrade compared to the benefit of the upgrade is not worthwhile. Same thing with weapon proficiency past level 3 for most weapons (scrambler and combat rifles are the only exception).
If you still can't decide, spend your points towards a prototype suit. You'll be happy later. Weapons are EASY to skill into compared to suits. It costs 600k to get to lvl 5 operation, and another 300 if you want proficiency 3 (9% extra damage). Best part is each step of the way takes only a short while to save up skill points for, and isn't just you sitting there waiting for 1 million sp. You won't ever have another chance like this so use that large chunk of skill points to your advantage. I haven't run a real logi fitting since Codex, so that thought is enticing.... however I just can't do it. I have prof. 5 subs, op 4 pistols, & op 3 flaylocks, I feel naked without my sidearms. But you do make a good case, the proto suit isn't that great for Minmatar Assault. I'd have 2 more highs and a little more PG/CPU. I do well enough in my basic & ADV fits. I may well just get the CR done and out of the way, then while I'm enjoying myself with it, I can try to ignore my SP for a month or so as it builds up. I'm also getting a decent amount of AUR back from BPO removals, so I'll be able to afford a few boosters to help as well.
Thank you all for your input, it has been a great help.
MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!
MATARI PRIDE!!
FIX TTK!!
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
478
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:08:00 -
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DO NOT GO MK.0 ASSAULT ITS A VERY UNDERWHELMING SUIT.
With the impending shield nerf, I dont hold much hope.
The logi counterpart is what I run, and whilst it doesnt have the biggest EHP, it is infact a very nice suit. Still not used in PC as much as any other suit but it will still do the job if you fit it right.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
432
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:09:00 -
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Remember that getting a proto dropsuit isn't just getting the suit, but the role and racial bonuses as well. Just something else to consider.
Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
326
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:10:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I have two prototype suits and I still run ADV 90% of the time.
Trust me, some ADV suits become better than proto if you fit them right. However, the minmatar Assault isn't one of them I'm afraid :/ It's a rare case where the proto version of that suit is 100x better simply because you can fit so much more. Then again, passive skills usually make any ADV suit good, you just need to use it right.
If I were you I'd get minmatar logi to ADV if you like minmatar. I've been doing super well with it and it has the perfect amount of slots for almost any kind of role.
Having more versatility (i.e. more types of suits and weapons) is much better than just running the same proto suit over and over again. I have skills in shotguns, mass drivers, Forge guns, Heavy suits, HMGs, Scrambler Rifles, and soon here I will have the combat rifle maxed.
I have 26 million, and only have a few regrets in terms of unwise skill point spending (commando suits, plasma cannon, Assault Rifles, uplinks past level 2, etc). Another thing is that I don't have passives like hacking, armor, or shield upgrades past level 4. That amount of skill points they cost to upgrade compared to the benefit of the upgrade is not worthwhile. Same thing with weapon proficiency past level 3 for most weapons (scrambler and combat rifles are the only exception).
If you still can't decide, spend your points towards a prototype suit. You'll be happy later. Weapons are EASY to skill into compared to suits. It costs 600k to get to lvl 5 operation, and another 300 if you want proficiency 3 (9% extra damage). Best part is each step of the way takes only a short while to save up skill points for, and isn't just you sitting there waiting for 1 million sp. You won't ever have another chance like this so use that large chunk of skill points to your advantage. The Min logi is a good suit but I don't think it's well suited to a CR fit. This is because you have no sidearm and the CR has a small amount of damage in the clip (off the top of my head it's something like 1,900 versus 2,200 for AR and RR). I must have thousands of kills with the last 10 bullets of my AR clip. If I was using a CR, I'd have been empty and in trouble.
Although the Min assault is generally a weaker suit than the logi, I think it is quite well suited to using the CR. The main problems with it are the PG/CPU limitations, which are mitigated by using the CR. That said, if the OP is planning to use the CR a lot, the importance of getting it to at least prof 3 can't be overstated. In their shoes I'd probably proto the assault suit and use the AR for now (assuming they have high proficiency), and switch to CR when I've saved SP for some proficiency with it. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
1339
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:21:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:At the very least - play FW for LP and try out a loyalty CR (or bypass this and get a AUR one)
You can make a more informed decision on if the rifle is right for you I know I want the rifle. There has been no doubt in my mind on that. If it's the most UP weapon in the game, I still want it. I will MAKE it OP. I just need to decide which I want to get first. Having trouble deciding, so I figured I'd ask the community while we await the CR arrival. Tough choise, I'd say get to LV three CbR, then go proto suit, and use the specialist CbR until, until you can get it skilled up. *shrugs* Yeah... that's what I was thinking too. Just wanted a second opinion. Thanks. I like this too. What tips the balance for me is the Assault suit bonuses will benefit every fit you have whether you're running proto or not - with the suit leveled that's +10% shield recharge rate and all that yummy sidearm clip size.
I support SP rollover.
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Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
65
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:25:00 -
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Save it and wait for the FOTM / patch / nerf or you will spend your SP skilling up for the last war.
Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
479
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:12:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I have two prototype suits and I still run ADV 90% of the time.
Trust me, some ADV suits become better than proto if you fit them right. However, the minmatar Assault isn't one of them I'm afraid :/ It's a rare case where the proto version of that suit is 100x better simply because you can fit so much more. Then again, passive skills usually make any ADV suit good, you just need to use it right.
If I were you I'd get minmatar logi to ADV if you like minmatar. I've been doing super well with it and it has the perfect amount of slots for almost any kind of role.
Having more versatility (i.e. more types of suits and weapons) is much better than just running the same proto suit over and over again. I have skills in shotguns, mass drivers, Forge guns, Heavy suits, HMGs, Scrambler Rifles, and soon here I will have the combat rifle maxed.
I have 26 million, and only have a few regrets in terms of unwise skill point spending (commando suits, plasma cannon, Assault Rifles, uplinks past level 2, etc). Another thing is that I don't have passives like hacking, armor, or shield upgrades past level 4. That amount of skill points they cost to upgrade compared to the benefit of the upgrade is not worthwhile. Same thing with weapon proficiency past level 3 for most weapons (scrambler and combat rifles are the only exception).
If you still can't decide, spend your points towards a prototype suit. You'll be happy later. Weapons are EASY to skill into compared to suits. It costs 600k to get to lvl 5 operation, and another 300 if you want proficiency 3 (9% extra damage). Best part is each step of the way takes only a short while to save up skill points for, and isn't just you sitting there waiting for 1 million sp. You won't ever have another chance like this so use that large chunk of skill points to your advantage. The Min logi is a good suit but I don't think it's well suited to a CR fit. This is because you have no sidearm and the CR has a small amount of damage in the clip (off the top of my head it's something like 1,900 versus 2,200 for AR and RR). I must have thousands of kills with the last 10 bullets of my AR clip. If I was using a CR, I'd have been empty and in trouble. Although the Min assault is generally a weaker suit than the logi, I think it is quite well suited to using the CR. The main problems with it are the PG/CPU limitations, which are mitigated by using the CR. That said, if the OP is planning to use the CR a lot, the importance of getting it to at least prof 3 can't be overstated. In their shoes I'd probably proto the assault suit and use the AR for now (assuming they have high proficiency), and switch to CR when I've saved SP for some proficiency with it.
Im sorry, but i completely disagree. The Assault mk.0 is a bad suit, you only need to look at the PC arena to work that out. I know serverall people who have skilled into the suit and don't use it. Also basing ideas off a gun that has come out today with little to no testing is pretty assumptious, even if it has smaller reqs. If anything it would mean we can run 4 bits of equipment again without gimping the logi tank.
Mk.0 is too squishy. It doesnt have enough CPU/PG or another low slot to compensate. Theres no lower sig profile for a suit thats designed for CQC, hit & run tactics. It simply needs to be overhauled. Worse proto suit in the game at the moment.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
328
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:02:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I have two prototype suits and I still run ADV 90% of the time.
Trust me, some ADV suits become better than proto if you fit them right. However, the minmatar Assault isn't one of them I'm afraid :/ It's a rare case where the proto version of that suit is 100x better simply because you can fit so much more. Then again, passive skills usually make any ADV suit good, you just need to use it right.
If I were you I'd get minmatar logi to ADV if you like minmatar. I've been doing super well with it and it has the perfect amount of slots for almost any kind of role.
Having more versatility (i.e. more types of suits and weapons) is much better than just running the same proto suit over and over again. I have skills in shotguns, mass drivers, Forge guns, Heavy suits, HMGs, Scrambler Rifles, and soon here I will have the combat rifle maxed.
I have 26 million, and only have a few regrets in terms of unwise skill point spending (commando suits, plasma cannon, Assault Rifles, uplinks past level 2, etc). Another thing is that I don't have passives like hacking, armor, or shield upgrades past level 4. That amount of skill points they cost to upgrade compared to the benefit of the upgrade is not worthwhile. Same thing with weapon proficiency past level 3 for most weapons (scrambler and combat rifles are the only exception).
If you still can't decide, spend your points towards a prototype suit. You'll be happy later. Weapons are EASY to skill into compared to suits. It costs 600k to get to lvl 5 operation, and another 300 if you want proficiency 3 (9% extra damage). Best part is each step of the way takes only a short while to save up skill points for, and isn't just you sitting there waiting for 1 million sp. You won't ever have another chance like this so use that large chunk of skill points to your advantage. The Min logi is a good suit but I don't think it's well suited to a CR fit. This is because you have no sidearm and the CR has a small amount of damage in the clip (off the top of my head it's something like 1,900 versus 2,200 for AR and RR). I must have thousands of kills with the last 10 bullets of my AR clip. If I was using a CR, I'd have been empty and in trouble. Although the Min assault is generally a weaker suit than the logi, I think it is quite well suited to using the CR. The main problems with it are the PG/CPU limitations, which are mitigated by using the CR. That said, if the OP is planning to use the CR a lot, the importance of getting it to at least prof 3 can't be overstated. In their shoes I'd probably proto the assault suit and use the AR for now (assuming they have high proficiency), and switch to CR when I've saved SP for some proficiency with it. Im sorry, but i completely disagree. The Assault mk.0 is a bad suit, you only need to look at the PC arena to work that out. I know serverall people who have skilled into the suit and don't use it. Also basing ideas off a gun that has come out today with little to no testing is pretty assumptious, even if it has smaller reqs. If anything it would mean we can run 4 bits of equipment again without gimping the logi tank. Mk.0 is too squishy. It doesnt have enough CPU/PG or another low slot to compensate. Theres no lower sig profile for a suit thats designed for CQC, hit & run tactics. It simply needs to be overhauled. Worse proto suit in the game at the moment. I don't disagree, I did say it's worse than the logi after all. If I was advising someone who didn't care about factions I'd suggest Amarr assault plus ScR or logi (any will do) plus AR/RR. But for a Min loyalist slayer who wants to use the CR, which is what the OP seems to be, I think the assault is a decent option due to the sidearm, especially as he already has level 3 Min assault.
I know people don't use the Min assault much in PC at the moment. But that's mostly because you can't fit much on it, which is mitigated by the low demands of the CR.
I also wonder if the specialist rifles might make Min assault more PC viable - if you've not seen these yet, it's basically advanced fitting to fit a proto weapon. An mk.0 assault with its highs filled with complex modules, its lows armour or speed tanked, a proto rifle, and core locus is a decent suit. That wasn't possible until the LP store. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:05:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Well, it's finally time for 1.7. This presents me with a problem. I will be getting dropship, LLAV and turret SP back along with some from the core vehicle skills. I'll be getting back around 1,100,000-1,200,000 SP, and I have about 300,000 saved up right now. Here's the issue I'm working on is how to spend it: I run Minmatar suits mostly, and plan to exclusively now that the Combat Rifle comes out with it's improved fitting requirements. However, I've been putting off getting a proto suit for the LONGEST time (23m+ SP, still no proto. I am TERRIBLE at saving SP lol, I have about 10 AUR ones for fitting experiments and I have SOOO MANY PASSIVE SKILLS ), and I'd really like to get one by using this SP I am getting back. However, I also want to get my new Combat rifle. My current Minmatar Assault skill is at 3, so I still have 2 levels to go to proto and this SP won't put me in it, but it WILL put me close enough that I'd be willing to finish saving for it. Soooo... should I apply all of my SP to the CR? Should I save it all and go for my proto? Or should I grab the first 3-4 levels of the CR and save the rest for working on my proto suit? I was the exact same way. Just get the proto and try not to think about it so much. You'll want it eventually and they just gave you a 1.1m head start. If you're as bad as I am with it then you probably should just bite the bullet now and go for it. |
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