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daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 490	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:26:00 - [1] - Quote Okay guys, today 1.7 hits and it will be A W E S O M E! So, lately many people asked me how to troll people in FW effectively and I can tell you, it isn't easy. A simple bullet into the head of one of your fellow teammates might kill him, but you'll get banned. Now ... don't worry. I'll present you some simple methods which will allows you to be effective in FW without getting punished. First Rule: Always use BPO because you chance of dying is extremly high. Method 1: I'll catch a grenade for ya Okay, this is fairly simple to begin with. You see a teammate throw a grenade into the redberries. Follow it. Plain simple. Most likely the redberries will run away and despite range fire there is nothing to fear. Most times this will be a secure PUNISH for this teammate fcker that killed you. Method 2: More people, more fun* Griefing presents a great opportunity for coordinated teamplay. Form a squad of griefers, catch those grenades together. Best thing you can do is run into a friendly orbital strike, because that's a solid 6x PUNISH for the MF that killed you. 6x PUNISH will get most people back to loyality 0 and banned for 24 h. That's what he gets for doing bullsht like this. Method 3: Show me your skills* You see a squad of proto guys in your team and they run together? Follow them! As soon as you encounter enemies start shooting them down to 1/2 armor, one after the other. (You are allowed to shoot 6-7 people down PER MATCH) Now those little fckers are able to show how get they are in their little proto suits. Stay back and watch them fight. Method 4: See ya next game* Make two alts and use them! Each of those alts is able to run a Frontline fit and can shoot people into 1/2 armor or straight up kill guys. You encountered some really nasty players? Maybe even a Thales Tar guy? Relog, join the side they played and straight up shoot them your opinion made of plasma into their head. They will understand. Be careful here and only use this to waste officers weapons of theirs. Method 5: Stay down Simple. Terminate clones of your side like there is no tomorrow. Show those logistic players with needles what you think of them. Terminate every clone (your side and opponent side) and watch them suffer. Method 6: No. See a friendly tanker recalling his tank? See a friendly tanker calling in his tanker under enemy fire? Give him a bullet into his head, he deserves it and will understand. This is it for now. If there is time I will add advanced methods later on. I want to finish this post with a quote of my favourite character Han Solo from Star Wars: Live long and prosper. To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1145	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:32:00 - [2] - Quote Get a girlfriend/boyfriend.... "Just another piece of duct tape" Drugs for mercs
Minako Nakajima Vortex State Empire Dark Taboo 52	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:35:00 - [3] - Quote Have a sexy time too... "Looks can kill." // Terminally Insane
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 491	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:36:00 - [4] - Quote Check. Check. I also got an Eve Account, a full time job, a good amount of close friends, many people I know and other stuff. Now you give me some input, some ideas, some tricks to make this world a better place. To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 117	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:39:00 - [5] - Quote Got to love the kids that can't play the game and the only satisfaction they know is getting the **** kicked outta them. They wonder why their daddy went to prison for beating their dumbasses.
dogmanpig black market bank 74	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:42:00 - [6] - Quote oh i got one, spawn uplink on top of your RE and when you get spawn in points hit the RE and send them back to the spawn screen. that'll teach those blue dots from using MY uplink You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1391	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:51:00 - [7] - Quote Some good solid advise there dashi. Will be sure to keep it in mind Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 411	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:51:00 - [8] - Quote griefing is the art of getting in the way of your oponent without being overtly agressive. griefing is the ultimate passive agressive form of gameplay you can do :P
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 934	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:57:00 - [9] - Quote Also remember, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! When they send you mails or chat messages containing 1) racists or sexist content, 2) lots of spam messages or, and this one is the golden ticket to perma-ban griefing, 3) Real Life threats. Now you must be rather careful with how you phrase any replies and _never_ move to any subject outside of in-game griefing. E.g. you can work up a player quite far with threats of continued griefing and in-game threats against their clone and honor, but always make sure it is clear the threat is against his clone. A lot of people who do not know the lines in the sand that CCP has put down will often overreact after losing expensive stuff, etc.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 411	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:01:00 - [10] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Also remember, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! When they send you mails or chat messages containing 1) racists or sexist content, 2) lots of spam messages or, and this one is the golden ticket to perma-ban griefing, 3) Real Life threats. Now you must be rather careful with how you phrase any replies and _never_ move to any subject outside of in-game griefing. E.g. you can work up a player quite far with threats of continued griefing and in-game threats against their clone and honor, but always make sure it is clear the threat is against his clone. A lot of people who do not know the lines in the sand that CCP has put down will often overreact after losing expensive stuff, etc. THIS seriously guys its a game. and should be treated as such. it amazes me when people try to bring real life into things. remember folks, were all playing characters here and its not real life :P

Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 934	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:03:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: THIS seriously guys its a game. and should be treated as such. it amazes me when people try to bring real life into things. remember folks, were all playing characters here and its not real life :P You forgot to include the part that I edited in where I said that you should report them if they do for maximum grief effect. ;)
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 395	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:04:00 - [12] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Also remember, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! When they send you mails or chat messages containing 1) racists or sexist content, 2) lots of spam messages or, and this one is the golden ticket to perma-ban griefing, 3) Real Life threats. Now you must be rather careful with how you phrase any replies and _never_ move to any subject outside of in-game griefing. E.g. you can work up a player quite far with threats of continued griefing and in-game threats against their clone and honor, but always make sure it is clear the threat is against his clone. A lot of people who do not know the lines in the sand that CCP has put down will often overreact after losing expensive stuff, etc. THIS seriously guys its a game. and should be treated as such. it amazes me when people try to bring real life into things. remember folks, were all playing characters here and its not real life :P Besides, being a pirate (and by extension, griefer) is supposed to ADD to the fun. It's healthy. Names of playstyles
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1145	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:11:00 - [13] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: THIS seriously guys its a game. and should be treated as such. it amazes me when people try to bring real life into things. remember folks, were all playing characters here and its not real life :P Well, but behind a character there is a person. I'll try to make a childish example: We are children and we are playing hide and seek, it's my turn to seek, someone in the other team decide to help me, he knows where are his teammates The first time is fun, the second time is fun, the third time is getting boring. For me that i have to seek and for the other team that hides. Multiply it for a decent amount of griefers.... "Just another piece of duct tape" Drugs for mercs
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 412	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:18:00 - [14] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: THIS seriously guys its a game. and should be treated as such. it amazes me when people try to bring real life into things. remember folks, were all playing characters here and its not real life :P Well, but behind a character there is a person. I'll try to make a childish example: We are children and we are playing hide and seek, it's my turn to seek, someone in the other team decide to help me, he knows where are his teammates The first time is fun, the second time is fun, the third time is getting boring. For me that i have to seek and for the other team that hides. Multiply it for a decent amount of griefers.... back in my days of hide and seek, we just figured it out and starting hiding from both..... im not kidding. also being that guy who helps out the kid everyone named "IT" just because he was slow on his feet and couldnt catch anyone was kinda hilarious. the third time we just kinda... ya know... adapted, and changed the game. i spent my childhood in amungst a legion of children in a townhouse making up games for everyone to play. if you can think up some stupid way some kid tryed to ruin things, ive seen it and thought up a way to turn it back into fun.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 143	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:23:00 - [15] - Quote I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1146	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:26:00 - [16] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: back in my days of hide and seek, we just figured it out and starting hiding from both..... im not kidding. also being that guy who helps out the kid everyone named "IT" just because he was slow on his feet and couldnt catch anyone was kinda hilarious. the third time we just kinda... ya know... adapted, and changed the game. i spent my childhood in amungst a legion of children in a townhouse making up games for everyone to play. if you can think up some stupid way some kid tryed to ruin things, ive seen it and thought up a way to turn it back into fun. its all just a game in the end and your always free to change the win condition. If you know things before they will happen... I suppose we have to grief the griefers "Just another piece of duct tape" Drugs for mercs
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 491	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:27:00 - [17] - Quote It's a sandbox, do what you want. Don't gimme that real life crap :D To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1147	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:29:00 - [18] - Quote It's not a sandbox BTW, even if it's a game, you are playing, don't try to hide. "Just another piece of duct tape" Drugs for mercs
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 412	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:30:00 - [19] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: back in my days of hide and seek, we just figured it out and starting hiding from both..... im not kidding. also being that guy who helps out the kid everyone named "IT" just because he was slow on his feet and couldnt catch anyone was kinda hilarious. the third time we just kinda... ya know... adapted, and changed the game. i spent my childhood in amungst a legion of children in a townhouse making up games for everyone to play. if you can think up some stupid way some kid tryed to ruin things, ive seen it and thought up a way to turn it back into fun. its all just a game in the end and your always free to change the win condition. If you know things before they will happen... I suppose we have to grief the griefers ? know things before they happen ? and yes, grief the grifers, that or accept that its a game, and when it happens clap along and enjoy it. someones GOING to grief you, its inevitable, so make sure your ready to accept it gracefully and return the favor.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 412	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:33:00 - [20] - Quote shaman oga wrote: It's not a sandbox every games a sandbox :P theres always new and interesting ways to play games.

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1147	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:34:00 - [21] - Quote Of course, i will be TK, but i don't see how this is funny... "Just another piece of duct tape" Drugs for mercs
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 67	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:43:00 - [22] - Quote I don't think ccp is ready for the not stop grief that comes from fps games that allow it. In mmo's it happens but is well spread out. You can go weeks or months without seeing any form of grief. In a fps, it's hard to find a match without griefing. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 412	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:44:00 - [23] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Of course, i will be TK, but i don't see how this is funny... its the game, its in the rules. and surprisingly you have the option of not partaking in that part of the game
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 412	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:46:00 - [24] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: I don't think ccp is ready for the not stop grief that comes from fps games that allow it. In mmo's it happens but is well spread out. You can go weeks or months without seeing any form of grief. In a fps, it's hard to find a match without griefing. CCP runs EvE online... a game where everything you do int he game is plagued by griefers. you cant mine in high sec without being can flipped or scuicide ganked. you cant mission run without ninja salvagers stealing all your **** you cant FW without AWOXers using purple status to get close you cant even go a day without either experiancing it or having to modify your gameplay to prevent it. CCP is perhaps the MOST qualified to handle this...
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1445	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:54:00 - [25] - Quote I applaud and approve this thread. may ccp find themselves lost on how to fix this griefing as punishment for lying about the safety of our bpo's and removing 4 of them. let the dream that was dust, die..... never again will i spend money on this broken game....
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 67	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:00:00 - [26] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: I don't think ccp is ready for the not stop grief that comes from fps games that allow it. In mmo's it happens but is well spread out. You can go weeks or months without seeing any form of grief. In a fps, it's hard to find a match without griefing. CCP runs EvE online... a game where everything you do int he game is plagued by griefers. you cant mine in high sec without being can flipped or scuicide ganked. you cant mission run without ninja salvagers stealing all your **** you cant FW without AWOXers using purple status to get close you cant even go a day without either experiancing it or having to modify your gameplay to prevent it. CCP is perhaps the MOST qualified to handle this... The difference between grieving in Eve and dust 514 works quite differently. It is built into Eve that any player can do anything with no ill effects. If someone tries to grief in eve, you can retaliate with no downside. In dust, countering a griever causes ill effects. Team kill him, you lose LP, and can get banned yourself. The grief causer, done in the manner op mentioned becomes uncounterable. It is one sided, therefore already broken. Not to mention griefing takes time in eve to get enough sp to do it effectively, in dust, simply create a new email for another psn account. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 412	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:00:00 - [27] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: I applaud and approve this thread. may ccp find themselves lost on how to fix this griefing as punishment for lying about the safety of our bpo's and removing 4 of them. let the dream that was dust, die..... you realise CCP did this on purpose right? its not something that needs to be fixed.
dustwaffle Xer Cloud Consortium 723	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:00:00 - [28] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Got to love the kids that can't play the game and the only satisfaction they know is getting the **** kicked outta them. They wonder why their daddy went to prison for beating their dumbasses. Projection much? It's a game dude, get your life sorted.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 412	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:02:00 - [29] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: I don't think ccp is ready for the not stop grief that comes from fps games that allow it. In mmo's it happens but is well spread out. You can go weeks or months without seeing any form of grief. In a fps, it's hard to find a match without griefing. CCP runs EvE online... a game where everything you do int he game is plagued by griefers. you cant mine in high sec without being can flipped or scuicide ganked. you cant mission run without ninja salvagers stealing all your **** you cant FW without AWOXers using purple status to get close you cant even go a day without either experiancing it or having to modify your gameplay to prevent it. CCP is perhaps the MOST qualified to handle this... The difference between grieving in Eve and dust 514 works quite differently. It is built into Eve that any player can do anything with no ill effects. If someone tries to grief in eve, you can retaliate with no downside. In dust, countering a griever causes ill effects. Team kill him, you lose LP, and can get banned yourself. The grief causer, done in the manner op mentioned becomes uncounterable. It is one sided, therefore already broken. Not to mention griefing takes time in eve to get enough sp to do it effectively, in dust, simply create a new email for another psn account. you can begin your griefing carrer with zero skill points spent in EvE..... and if you cant figure out a way to counter it by reading this, im going to LOVE the hate threads you start this week. i myself already have an arsenal of griefing and anti-griefing tactics up my sleve.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 654	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:04:00 - [30] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: CCP runs EvE online... a game where everything you do int he game is plagued by griefers. you cant mine in high sec without being can flipped or scuicide ganked. you cant mission run without ninja salvagers stealing all your **** you cant FW without AWOXers using purple status to get close you cant even go a day without either experiancing it or having to modify your gameplay to prevent it. CCP is perhaps the MOST qualified to handle this... But EVE is unique. There is nothing like it. So if you want to play it you have to play it as it is. DUST, on the other hand is one of dozens and dozens of FPS. So if you want to play one without griefing, you can take your pick. So maybe CCP isn't qualified to handle this? Munch Dedicated Sniper. Minmatar Patriot.

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 412	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:06:00 - [31] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CCP runs EvE online... a game where everything you do int he game is plagued by griefers. you cant mine in high sec without being can flipped or scuicide ganked. you cant mission run without ninja salvagers stealing all your **** you cant FW without AWOXers using purple status to get close you cant even go a day without either experiancing it or having to modify your gameplay to prevent it. CCP is perhaps the MOST qualified to handle this... But EVE is unique. There is nothing like it. So if you want to play it you have to play it as it is. DUST, on the other hand is one of dozens and dozens of FPS. So if you want to play one without griefing, you can take your pick. So maybe CCP isn't qualified to handle this? Munch you just said the answer... if you dont like it you can take your pick.
Freshticles DIOS EX. 326	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:10:00 - [32] - Quote I think my personal issue is that the measures put in place to stop over griefing are allowing players to do exactly that. Personally, I think this will come and go, like FW Awoxing. Level 9001 Forum Wizard
Chewie Parker Black Phoenix Mercenaries 95	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:10:00 - [33] - Quote simply add a full 16 deploy feature , problem solved
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 483	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:11:00 - [34] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Not to mention griefing takes time in eve to get enough sp to do it effectively, in dust, simply create a new email for another psn account. It is genius when you think about it. Think of the numbers of new players created just for griefers and those who want revenge on them but won't risk their status on their main. It will be touted as a success somewhere in some meeting "Our numbers have risen considerably since the deployment of 1.7!" The irony is that the griefers that want to hurt Dust are actually helping it! "Because beer, that's why."
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 414	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:13:00 - [35] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: Not to mention griefing takes time in eve to get enough sp to do it effectively, in dust, simply create a new email for another psn account. It is genius when you think about it. Think of the numbers of new players created just for griefers and those who want revenge on them but won't risk their status on their main. It will be touted as a success somewhere in some meeting "Our numbers have risen considerably since the deployment of 1.7!" The irony is that the griefers that want to hurt Dust are actually helping it! plus dude tottally doestnt realise you can grief in EvE with a trial account..... you dont need SP to steal **** and invoke the concorduken
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 68	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:14:00 - [36] - Quote Eve is just like every other MMO pvp game. If you don't want to get griefed, run in a pack and cover each other's back. More often than not, griefers run solo, so the pick on easy kills. Even if they are running in a pack, you have the option to use teamwork to counter them. This does not transfer to dust, or other fps for that matter. A griefer can not be countered with teamwork. A fps griefer tries to kill himself by using you as the method. Anything that has no counter, is simply game breaking. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:15:00 - [37] - Quote from a true logibro, i'd like to thank all the griefers in advanced.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 414	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:19:00 - [38] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Eve is just like every other MMO pvp game. If you don't want to get griefed, run in a pack and cover each other's back. More often than not, griefers run solo, so the pick on easy kills. Even if they are running in a pack, you have the option to use teamwork to counter them. This does not transfer to dust, or other fps for that matter. A griefer can not be countered with teamwork. A fps griefer tries to kill himself by using you as the method. Anything that has no counter, is simply game breaking. i have SEVERAL counters to the above griefing methods and no im not sharing them because i think it will be funnyer to watch everyone freeak the hell out. that and i want to horde all the LP stuff for myself and those like me for when the player market opens up. griefing in dust CAN be countered with teamwork, and solo :P so your wrong, deal with it, think outside the box, adapt or die, HTFU, and so on and so forth.
Billi Gene 434	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:32:00 - [39] - Quote if you find you have a blueberry, trying to jump on one of your grenades, switch up suit to something with AV grenades... now when you toss a grenade at some reds, you get to giggle at a pointless suicide run into the other team :) found a griefer? try getting three other mercs to body block them into shooting you out of boredom! grief the griefers! if you have a squad running: take turns to kill the griefer, you can only get booted for your own kills! if you've read this far into the thread, you should already know that sending hate mail is foolish. however, feel free to start a thread in the locker room sub forum (iirc) calling out all the griefers you discover, its always fun ruining someone deserving's day by having them become a priority target when ever they spawn into a match. If you discover that they are in an active and populated player Corp.. feel free to spread the word that it is terribad, and dont forget to spam it corp letter box once a day :) Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 496	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:40:00 - [40] - Quote hold that wrote: from a true logibro, i'd like to thank all the griefers in advance you realize griefers will terminate clones like there is no tomorrow and maybe some hat logis and will fk you up? To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 820	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:46:00 - [41] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I am a scrub thus cant play legitimately fixed
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 934	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:56:00 - [42] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: fixed I'm sorry to hear, did it hurt when they fixed you?
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 496	Posted - 2013.12.10 11:00:00 - [43] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: 1.7 hasn't started and I have sand in my vagoo already I'm sorry to hear this, have a +1 from me! To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 268	Posted - 2013.12.10 11:12:00 - [44] - Quote hold that wrote: from a true logibro, i'd like to thank all the griefers in advance I never thought of this, lots of war points to be harvested when greiefers are plaguing the team. What happens to the griefer if I resurrect him quickly after he is killed? Will he have time to push the punish button or can we harvest allot of war points by repeatable killing and reviving the griefer until match is over and he looses the opportunity to ban anyone?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 416	Posted - 2013.12.10 11:27:00 - [45] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: hold that wrote: from a true logibro, i'd like to thank all the griefers in advance I never thought of this, lots of war points to be harvested when greiefers are plaguing the team. What happens to the griefer if I resurrect him quickly after he is killed? Will he have time to push the punish button or can we harvest allot of war points by repeatable killing and reviving the griefer until match is over and he looses the opportunity to ban anyone? shhhhhhhh dont tell untill we can test it dammit
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 469	Posted - 2013.12.10 11:29:00 - [46] - Quote You just need to skill into a proto suit so you can use it and stop crying that others have already reached that milestone! Newb
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 88	Posted - 2013.12.10 12:28:00 - [47] - Quote Well isnGÇÖt FW going to be interesting. Once everyone spawns in all you see is reds killing reds and blues killing blues? Woot, what a success. My interest in FW dropped the second I heard there will be FF and no way of choosing your team. The last thing blueberries needed was another method to suck harder. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â. ... -¦ ß¦íß¦Ç-ò -òß¦äß¦Ç+¦+¦ß¦çß¦à ß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦ç... -òß¦¢-¦-ƒ-ƒ -ôß¦çß¦ç-ƒ ß¦Ç -ƒ-¦ß¦¢ß¦¢-ƒß¦ç ß¦á-¦ß¦Å-ƒß¦Çß¦¢ß¦çß¦à


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