Also remember, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!

When they send you mails or chat messages containing 1) racists or sexist content, 2) lots of spam messages or, and this one is the golden ticket to perma-ban griefing, 3) Real Life threats.

Now you must be rather careful with how you phrase any replies and _never_ move to any subject outside of in-game griefing. E.g. you can work up a player quite far with threats of continued griefing and in-game threats against their clone and honor, but always make sure it is clear the threat is against his clone.

A lot of people who do not know the lines in the sand that CCP has put down will often overreact after losing expensive stuff, etc.

Well, but behind a character there is a person.
I'll try to make a childish example:
We are children and we are playing hide and seek, it's my turn to seek, someone in the other team decide to help me, he knows where are his teammates
The first time is fun, the second time is fun, the third time is getting boring. For me that i have to seek and for the other team that hides.
Multiply it for a decent amount of griefers....

If you know things before they will happen...
I suppose we have to grief the griefers

It's not a sandbox

Of course, i will be TK, but i don't see how this is funny...

I don't think ccp is ready for the not stop grief that comes from fps games that allow it. In mmo's it happens but is well spread out. You can go weeks or months without seeing any form of grief. In a fps, it's hard to find a match without griefing.

I applaud and approve this thread.

may ccp find themselves lost on how to fix this griefing as punishment for lying about the safety of our bpo's and removing 4 of them.

let the dream that was dust, die.....

The difference between grieving in Eve and dust 514 works quite differently. It is built into Eve that any player can do anything with no ill effects. If someone tries to grief in eve, you can retaliate with no downside. In dust, countering a griever causes ill effects. Team kill him, you lose LP, and can get banned yourself. The grief causer, done in the manner op mentioned becomes uncounterable. It is one sided, therefore already broken. Not to mention griefing takes time in eve to get enough sp to do it effectively, in dust, simply create a new email for another psn account.

But EVE is unique. There is nothing like it. So if you want to play it you have to play it as it is.

DUST, on the other hand is one of dozens and dozens of FPS. So if you want to play one without griefing, you can take your pick.

So maybe CCP isn't qualified to handle this?


Munch

It is genius when you think about it.

Think of the numbers of new players created just for griefers and those who want revenge on them but won't risk their status on their main.

It will be touted as a success somewhere in some meeting "Our numbers have risen considerably since the deployment of 1.7!"

The irony is that the griefers that want to hurt Dust are actually helping it!

Eve is just like every other MMO pvp game. If you don't want to get griefed, run in a pack and cover each other's back. More often than not, griefers run solo, so the pick on easy kills. Even if they are running in a pack, you have the option to use teamwork to counter them.

This does not transfer to dust, or other fps for that matter. A griefer can not be countered with teamwork. A fps griefer tries to kill himself by using you as the method. Anything that has no counter, is simply game breaking.

I never thought of this, lots of war points to be harvested when greiefers are plaguing the team. What happens to the griefer if I resurrect him quickly after he is killed? Will he have time to push the punish button or can we harvest allot of war points by repeatable killing and reviving the griefer until match is over and he looses the opportunity to ban anyone?