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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:13:00 -
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Welcome to my magical world of rainbows, love and Tactical Assault Rifles!
An underused, yet delicious gun, every single shot is rewarding with it.
Unfortunately, 1.7 won't bring new people to this weapon I myself could temporary leave the gun until something is done to make it more viable. Rail and Combat rifles don't threat me, but the range nerf is some bad news.
But the real reason why I might give the Rail Rifle a go is the AR range buff. If only the AR had some recoil... as a dedicated marksman, the extended AR range is going to compromise my role, along the purpose of the TAR.
Since you enjoy this weapon as well, I'm curious to know if you're going to use it in 1.7 and, if you do, if you would still consider it a viable choice.
Anyway, I wish you the best luck with this weapon and infinte happiness.
With Love,
Keri
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
5905
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:20:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Welcome to my magical world of rainbows, love and Tactical Assault Rifles! An underused, yet delicious gun, every single shot is rewarding with it. Unfortunately, 1.7 won't bring new people to this weapon I myself could temporary leave the gun until something is done to make it more viable. Rail and Combat rifles don't threat me, but the range nerf is some bad news. But the real reason why I might give the Rail Rifle a go is the AR range buff. If only the AR had some recoil... as a dedicated marksman, the extended AR range is going to compromize my role, along the purpose of the TAR. Since you enjoy this weapon as well, I'm curious to know if you're going to use it in 1.7 and, if you do, if you would still consider it a viable choice. Anyway, I wish you the best luck with this weapon and infinte happiness. With Love, Keri
I'm going to try it in 1.7. I've also got some SP set aside for the rail rifle - I'm probably going to end up using both, though. I play Gal FW so I can get TARs from that store, but also rail rifles in salvage if/when people use them on the other side.
I really am quite worried about the range buffs - the TAR is going to be relatively short range compared to the other rifles, so the engagement envelope is going to be well within range of others.
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Funkmaster Whale
Fatal Absolution
1278
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:21:00 -
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Regular AR needs the same recoil as the TAR. Would help balance the laser-accuracy of an aim assisted AR.
Let me play you the song of my people!
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
367
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:07:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Thank you for saying TAR instead of TAC.
;D Tactical Assault Cankle?
ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist
Amarr Sentinel | Amarr Logi | Losematar Scout
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
1868
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:20:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I really am quite worried about the range buffs - the TAR is going to be relatively short range compared to the other rifles, so the engagement envelope is going to be well within range of others.
Exactly.
Anyway, I don't know exacly how the open market will work and if it will allow direct client-to-client services, but if this trading system will be implemented, you can buy Rail Rifles directly from me, if you wish, or trade them for some Gallente equipment. I have no idea if I will still use the Duvolle AR, I might stick to the Ishukone ARR if I like it (most likely I will).
I know we are supposed to be FW enemies, but who cares?
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Sgt Buttscratch
1106
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:25:00 -
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I like the TAR, catch std AR users of guard, they go from "meh" to "FFFFFFFFFF*****K" very fast when I start shooting
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
5907
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:50:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I really am quite worried about the range buffs - the TAR is going to be relatively short range compared to the other rifles, so the engagement envelope is going to be well within range of others.
Exactly. Anyway, I don't know exactly how the open market will work and if it will allow direct client-to-client services, but if this trading system will be implemented, you can buy Rail Rifles directly from me, if you wish, or trade them for some Gallente equipment. I have no idea if I will still use the Duvolle AR, I might stick to the Ishukone ARR if I like it (most likely I will). I know we are supposed to be FW enemies, but who cares?
Out of interest, what suit do you use? I'm using a standard calassault with mine atm, will probably take it to proto because of all the fun I'm having.
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1153
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:53:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:I am trying to use the TAR more often but I run logi a lot and I feel very exposed inside of medium range with no sidearm. Is the TAR, in capable hands, able to hold its own while hip firing?
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1499
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:10:00 -
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I've been rediscovering TARs. The improved HD is so much better and beneficial, where bullet lag had almost killed it. I don't have any Amarr suits (yet) so the Scramblers aren't an optimal fit and they sound too dinky for my taste. But, the Rail Rifles have my full attention with 1.6m SP in the bank.
I saw that some KDR whores were using them well, so I thought I'd give buy a few DTARs. OMJeezus. Ridic. Totsmagoats. Even my old budget-friendly GLU-5s are mildly beastly now. Just gotta get accustomed to the quick scope action...
Cheeseburgers.
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Tectonic Fusion
676
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:22:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:T'orq wrote:I have to say, I have started using it more, and am loving it! And I agree, it is so satisfying to kill some one, who has a gek-38, with it. It has a really satisfying feel to it as well. You can feel each shot. You can feel when it hits you too. I love that about Dust; the DS3 feedback is such that I can tell what kind of weapon is hitting me. And, until I recently got a headset with game sound, I have never appreciated how much info you gain from hearing the rich combat symphony around you. Glad to hear that the TAR isn't worthless from the hip. I will keep learning. Anyone using the TAR on a non-Amaar logi? I use it on a Scout suit. Scout mk.0Highs3x Complex Shield Extenders LowsBasic Armour Plate Basic Armour Repairer WeaponsGLU-5 Tactical Plasma Rifle Scrambler Pistol EQ + NadesLocus Nades Nanohive
I just run around and flank enemies LOOOOOOOOL
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3592
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:29:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:T'orq wrote:I have to say, I have started using it more, and am loving it! And I agree, it is so satisfying to kill some one, who has a gek-38, with it. It has a really satisfying feel to it as well. You can feel each shot. You can feel when it hits you too. I love that about Dust; the DS3 feedback is such that I can tell what kind of weapon is hitting me. And, until I recently got a headset with game sound, I have never appreciated how much info you gain from hearing the rich combat symphony around you. Glad to hear that the TAR isn't worthless from the hip. I will keep learning. Anyone using the TAR on a non-Amaar logi? I use it on a Scout suit. Scout mk.0Highs3x Complex Shield Extenders LowsBasic Armour Plate Basic Armour Repairer WeaponsGLU-5 Tactical Plasma Rifle Scrambler Pistol EQ + NadesLocus Nades Nanohive
I just run around and flank enemies LOOOOOOOOL
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
1875
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:49:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Out of interest, what suit do you use? I'm using a standard calassault with mine atm, will probably take it to proto because of all the fun I'm having.
Full time Caldari Assault.
I tested other suits with secondary characters and there are some of them I like very much (Amarr Assault, Minmatar Logi), but I haven't a crazy amount of SP (I started playing DUST during Uprising 1.0) and I'm just sticking to my favorite suit, upgrading every single piece of equipment and my fitting skills religiously.
I really had good luck choosing this suit at the very start of my DUST career. I picked it just because of the lovely design and because it was Caldari, but I found out it's the most comfortable and versatile suit to me. I never get bored of this suit and it fits my favorite roles perfectly (marksman, flanker, hit and run general playstyle).
If you enjoy it, I'd say get proto, yes. The depleted shield nerf is going to get a bit annoying, but it won't ruin this awesome suit. I just don't know why they nerfed shield and why they nerfed the TAR and buffed AR. Sometimes it seems like CCP decides random things throwing dice, but this is not Dungeons & Dragons...
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
646
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:52:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Welcome to my magical world of rainbows, love and Tactical Assault Rifles! An underused, yet delicious gun, every single shot is rewarding with it. Unfortunately, 1.7 won't bring new people to this weapon I myself could temporary leave the gun until something is done to make it more viable. Rail and Combat rifles don't threat me, but the range nerf is some bad news. But the real reason why I might give the Rail Rifle a go is the AR range buff. If only the AR had some recoil... as a dedicated marksman, the extended AR range is going to compromise my role, along the purpose of the TAR. Since you enjoy this weapon as well, I'm curious to know if you're going to use it in 1.7 and, if you do, if you would still consider it a viable choice. Anyway, I wish you the best luck with this weapon and infinte happiness. With Love, Keri
Dedicated Marksmen and Women <3
The Sinwarden
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
5913
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:56:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Out of interest, what suit do you use? I'm using a standard calassault with mine atm, will probably take it to proto because of all the fun I'm having. Full time Caldari Assault. I tested other suits with secondary characters and there are some of them I like very much (Amarr Assault, Minmatar Logi), but I haven't a crazy amount of SP (I started playing DUST during Uprising 1.0) and I'm just sticking to my favorite suit, upgrading every single piece of equipment and my fitting skills religiously. I really had good luck choosing this suit at the very start of my DUST career. I picked it just because of the lovely design and because it was Caldari, but I found out it's the most comfortable and versatile suit to me. I never get bored of this suit and it fits my favorite roles perfectly (marksman, flanker, hit and run general playstyle). If you enjoy it, I'd say get proto, yes. The depleted shield nerf is going to get a bit annoying, but it won't ruin this awesome suit. I just don't know why they nerfed shield and why they nerfed the TAR and buffed AR. Sometimes it seems like CCP decides random things throwing dice, but this is not Dungeons & Dragons...
Thanks - I'm thinking of going for a fit like this:
Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle M209 Assault SMG Core Locus Grenade
Complex Damage Modifier Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender
Complex Shield Regulator Complex Shield Regulator Complex CPU Upgrade
A-45 Quantum Active Scanner/X-3 Quantum Nanohive
I'm curious about the low slot options though. I have some biotics that I'm itching to use, but is it worth it? Can you feasibly fit a kincat there, and is it of any use?
I don't think the shield nerf is going to be significant - it's only 3% to the depleted delay only - but armour (and specifically the logis) is quite strong right now. The TAR range nerf seems to be completely insane though.
Weapon/suit/module balancing isn't great atm, which is a shame.
Thanks for the info. I love my SCR but it's really nice to have another option - it's not entirely analogous to the TAR, so it's a bit different.
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
1876
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Posted - 2013.12.07 23:23:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Thanks - I'm thinking of going for a fit like this: Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle M209 Assault SMG Core Locus Grenade Complex Damage Modifier Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Regulator Complex Shield Regulator Complex CPU Upgrade A-45 Quantum Active Scanner/X-3 Quantum Nanohive I'm curious about the low slot options though. I have some biotics that I'm itching to use, but is it worth it? Can you feasibly fit a kincat there, and is it of any use? I don't think the shield nerf is going to be significant - it's only 3% to the depleted delay only - but armour (and specifically the logis) is quite strong right now. The TAR range nerf seems to be completely insane though. Weapon/suit/module balancing isn't great atm, which is a shame. Thanks for the info. I love my SCR but it's really nice to have another option - it's not entirely analogous to the TAR, so it's a bit different.
I tried to make a fit like that one, with the CPU Upgrade, but I ended up with insufficient PG to fit all that stuff. Maybe it's because I haven't Fitting Optimization unlocked (I just have Proficiency 3), I don't know. Or maybe it's because of the Light Damage Modifier, I don't have them to proto level, so I'm just running 4 Complex Extenders. My Core Upgrades, Engineering and Electronics are all at 5, anyway.
I have a bunch of different fittings, for PC and public matches.
I've recently found out how amazing is Profile Dampening in Public matches, a single Complex Dampener is enough to beat ADV Scanners, which are the most common ones, so I'm actually running one in Pubs if I want to be stealthy. This really depends on the map. In wide open maps (Manus Peak, Line Harvest), I can always keep the perfect distance from my targets, so I don't need it. I just use my own Scanner to avoid being surrounded.
Another thing I'm doing for Publics is to fit ADV weapons (GLU-5 and M209) on my proto suit and use the remaining PG and CPU to fit better low powered modules without using a CPU upgrade.
In PC I find useful to run Armor Plates, it's not really out of the box, but it gives me extra survivability. Since the TTK is a bit short now (I don't really have a problem with it, I'm just adapting), I'm using a couple basic plates as a life-saver. It works most of the time, that extra 0.5 second might be enough to beat an AR user 1v1.
Regulators are a great choice, in any other case. I would use Shield Regulators over Biotics, since you are fast enough without Armor Plates and the Stamina is pretty good as well. The only faster suit would be the Minmatar Assault, as the Logi will be probably armor tanked. I believe the Caldari Assault is fast enough even without Biotics.
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
5919
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Posted - 2013.12.07 23:32:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Thanks - I'm thinking of going for a fit like this: Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle M209 Assault SMG Core Locus Grenade Complex Damage Modifier Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Extender Complex Shield Regulator Complex Shield Regulator Complex CPU Upgrade A-45 Quantum Active Scanner/X-3 Quantum Nanohive I'm curious about the low slot options though. I have some biotics that I'm itching to use, but is it worth it? Can you feasibly fit a kincat there, and is it of any use? I don't think the shield nerf is going to be significant - it's only 3% to the depleted delay only - but armour (and specifically the logis) is quite strong right now. The TAR range nerf seems to be completely insane though. Weapon/suit/module balancing isn't great atm, which is a shame. Thanks for the info. I love my SCR but it's really nice to have another option - it's not entirely analogous to the TAR, so it's a bit different. I tried to make a fit like that one, with the CPU Upgrade, but I ended up with insufficient PG to fit all that stuff. Maybe it's because I haven't Fitting Optimization unlocked (I just have Proficiency 3), I don't know. Or maybe it's because of the Light Damage Modifier, I don't have them to proto level, so I'm just running 4 Complex Extenders. My Core Upgrades, Engineering and Electronics are all at 5, anyway. I have a bunch of different fittings, for PC and public matches. I've recently found out how amazing is Profile Dampening in Public matches, a single Complex Dampener is enough to beat ADV Scanners, which are the most common ones, so I'm actually running one in Pubs if I want to be stealthy. This really depends on the map. In wide open maps (Manus Peak, Line Harvest), I can always keep the perfect distance from my targets, so I don't need it. I just use my own Scanner to avoid being surrounded. Another thing I'm doing for Publics is to fit ADV weapons (GLU-5 and M209) on my proto suit and use the remaining PG and CPU to fit better low powered modules without using a CPU upgrade. In PC I find useful to run Armor Plates, it's not really out of the box, but it gives me extra survivability. Since the TTK is a bit short now (I don't really have a problem with it, I'm just adapting), I'm using a couple basic plates as a life-saver. It works most of the time, that extra 0.5 second might be enough to beat an AR user 1v1. Regulators are a great choice, in any other case. I would use Shield Regulators over Biotics, since you are fast enough without Armor Plates and the Stamina is pretty good as well. The only faster suit would be the Minmatar Assault, as the Logi will be probably armor tanked. I believe the Caldari Assault is fast enough even without Biotics.
Very useful info, thanks!
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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T'orq
DUST University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2013.12.08 00:21:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:T'orq wrote:I have to say, I have started using it more, and am loving it! And I agree, it is so satisfying to kill some one, who has a gek-38, with it. It has a really satisfying feel to it as well. You can feel each shot. You can feel when it hits you too. I love that about Dust; the DS3 feedback is such that I can tell what kind of weapon is hitting me. And, until I recently got a headset with game sound, I have never appreciated how much info you gain from hearing the rich combat symphony around you. Glad to hear that the TAR isn't worthless from the hip. I will keep learning. Anyone using the TAR on a non-Amaar logi?
Yeah I use it on a commando or a basic caldari medium frame |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1674
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Posted - 2013.12.08 00:31:00 -
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You know what's a fun combo?
Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle and the Allotek Burst Assault Rifle on a ADV or PRO commando.
Try it. You'll melt in the chair when you realize how much fun your having.
My Very First Thread About Tanks
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T'orq
DUST University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2013.12.08 00:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:You know what's a fun combo?
Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle and the Allotek Burst Assault Rifle on a ADV or PRO commando.
Try it. You'll melt in the chair when you realize how much fun your having.
I will, but I am not a big fan of the burst ARs. I will give them a try again. |
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