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Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:37:00 - [1] - Quote Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1171	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:39:00 - [2] - Quote This is what I think. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 567	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:40:00 - [3] - Quote /threadjack Hey, great game I played against you and 8 other generals last night. While we had no chance at MCC victory I was reaaaaaaally trying to grab that third point so we could come in with the clone win. GG /end threadjack Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:42:00 - [4] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: /threadjack Hey, great game I played against you and 8 other generals last night. While we had no chance at MCC victory I was reaaaaaaally trying to grab that third point so we could come in with the clone win. GG /end threadjack I remember that gg I recalled because there were 2 ADS's and a AFG in a limbus running around I did stick around in my tank to pop the other tank though. I think a couple people in corp were explicitly trying to kill you. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:43:00 - [5] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. I watched like 3 seconds and then closed the tab. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:58:00 - [6] - Quote Bump so Atiim sees. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1661	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:06:00 - [7] - Quote Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread. It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Thumb Green Novashift 541	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:16:00 - [8] - Quote I've never seen him claim to be the best tanker so I won't comment on that; however you don't have to be the best to realize most tankers aren't very good. Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense I'd disagree. The best counter to most dropsuits is a tank because only 3 weapons actually pose a threat to tanks. Though your statement has truth when the dropsuits have those 3 weapons. Of course there's AV grenades but not many people use them anymore and I know this because my soma rarely gets hit with any grenade but locus grenades; and it's not because I get matched up against idiotic blueberries, I'm mostly matched up against teams of stacked recognizable corp squads. Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Personally I believe it's because it only take one person for a tank to be affective and if most tankers had their way there would only ever be one person in it. So why should it require teamwork to take out something that doesn't require teamwork to use, that's not balance. Want to talk about cost? My AV suit is right around 200k, sure that's not much at first glance but it isn't uncommon for me to die 5-10+ times in that suit even up on towers if the enemy have 1 or 2 snipers because unlike a tank all but one weapon can kill a suit. So I can lose anywhere from 1 to 3 million in a match depending on how stubbornly I want to take out vehicles. Which can take 5-15 matches if I'm in the top 5 & don't die at all to recoup the loss. Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 613	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:31:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread. It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes Don't you dare question the wisdom of Atiim! He is the Supreme Leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Tanks 514. Did you also know Atiim is also a perfect filmmaker and horticulturalist. He will create a masterful video demonstrating your public ass kicking and then provide a herbal balm to sooth the kicking of said ass. He is such a benevolent person! [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1661	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:34:00 - [10] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good". I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please. Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify. An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork? Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them. And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1661	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:34:00 - [11] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. WTF did I just watch? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 613	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:37:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. WTF did I just watch? What has been witnessed cannot be unseen. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Llast 326 An Arkhos 696	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:54:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread. It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes okay, I looked at page twoGÇª I expect isk in my account when I log in I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1666	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:28:00 - [14] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Atiim wrote: Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread. It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes okay, I looked at page twoGÇª I expect isk in my account when I log in Sure. Here's 1 ISK Don't spend it all in one place My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
General John Ripper Pradox One Proficiency V. 5742	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:29:00 - [15] - Quote I am the best tanker because my LLAV > tanks. I like tacos more than Cat Merc likes tuna.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1666	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:30:00 - [16] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I am the best tanker because my LLAV > tanks. Not sure if I should "LIke" or say "Please Don't". My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 116	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:34:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I am the best tanker because my LLAV > tanks. Not sure if I should "LIke" or say "Please Don't". I liked it because its true Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
Llast 326 An Arkhos 697	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:42:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Atiim wrote: Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread. It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes okay, I looked at page twoGÇª I expect isk in my account when I log in Sure. Here's 1 ISK Don't spend it all in one place Thank you I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1443	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:48:00 - [19] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 284	Posted - 2013.12.07 22:01:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank. I was in a tank and got hit pretty hard so I was backing away to recover when someone hit me with 3 proto swarms and I went pop, 5 min later he pulls out a tank he couldn't fight me like a man. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have

Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 285	Posted - 2013.12.07 22:28:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good". I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please. Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify. An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork? Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them. And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit. LOL you think we are all scrubs most of the tank QQers have millions of sp and dozens if not hundreds of hours in tanks we know what we are doing we spend hours learning what are limits are and how to get out of sticky situations to get instapoped by some one with little sp (comparatively 1mil isn't a lot compared to a maxed out tanker with 16) and time spent swarming it is a point and shoot weapon that follows you around corners and can pull 180s and can lock on from 300m+ You state you can easily kill us then when we want improvements you are against it how is that not against buffs. I don't want a price debuff I want a tank that can survive 10+ matches on a regular basis Ck.0 it is weak against an assault Ak.0 because Amarr weapons are more proficient at killing them, an assault Mk.0 can still kill them just takes more effort and work, so why can't a fast missile shield tank be the counter to slower Gallente tanks, AV will still be potent but not as effective. HAV without teamwork vs. AV without teamwork= bad for HAV AV without teamwork vs. HAV with teamwork = bad for AV sure I can use no teamwork but I am vulnerable because of it 200k is 1/7 of my best tank so you think do think a 200k assault should be easily taken out by a 20k logi I don't want tanks to be super easy to use which they aren't having to balance all those modules so more money = 85% better there is still the skill factor. A suit that can both render a tank useless as well as easily destroy it which 1/7 of the price of said tank is cheap. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1672	Posted - 2013.12.07 23:45:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank. Oh Spkr4TheDead you never cease to bring a smile to my face. Which reminds me, I've been slacking on my royalty payments haven't I? You should expect 20 ISK when you hop online. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1673	Posted - 2013.12.08 00:25:00 - [23] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: LOL you think we are all scrubs most of the tank QQers have millions of sp and dozens if not hundreds of hours in tanks we know what we are doing we spend hours learning what are limits are and how to get out of sticky situations to get instapoped by some one with little sp (comparatively 1mil isn't a lot compared to a maxed out tanker with 16) and time spent swarming it is a point and shoot weapon that follows you around corners and can pull 180s and can lock on from 300m+ You state you can easily kill us then when we want improvements you are against it how is that not against buffs. I don't want a price debuff I want a tank that can survive 10+ matches on a regular basis Ck.0 it is weak against an assault Ak.0 because Amarr weapons are more proficient at killing them, an assault Mk.0 can still kill them just takes more effort and work, so why can't a fast missile shield tank be the counter to slower Gallente tanks, AV will still be potent but not as effective. HAV without teamwork vs. AV without teamwork= bad for HAV AV without teamwork vs. HAV with teamwork = bad for AV sure I can use no teamwork but I am vulnerable because of it 200k is 1/7 of my best tank so you think do think a 200k assault should be easily taken out by a 20k logi I don't want tanks to be super easy to use which they aren't having to balance all those modules so more money = 85% better there is still the skill factor. A suit that can both render a tank useless as well as easily destroy it which 1/7 of the price of said tank is cheap. If you get killed by ONE volley of swarms at any tier, your a scrub. I think most vehicle pilots suck simply because they say they get instakilled by AV. If you have hardners, heck even before I started using hardners I could still survive a volley of swarms. No vehicle beyond MLT has ever been OHK'd by my Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher. And that's with 4 complex damage mods, proficiency and reload V, and Ammo count IV. I have also spent countless hours and lost tons of ISK learning how to effectively use an HAV. And when I got tired of running HAVs, I decided to start using AV. However, knowing what it's like to go up against a full squad of AV hiding on a roof, I constantly told myself that I wouldn't use cheap tactics like that. if I engage a vehicle, it's usually always in CQC with very few exceptions. You can't tell me that a SL is fire and forget when you are going toe to toe against a vehicle. When you aren't hiding in the redline or going 400m away from a vehicle like a b!tch, the SL becomes a fire, and hope that your swarms hit the target and that a full squad of people don't see the SL's flight path, trace it, and decide to buttplug you with the ever so famous Duvolle Assault Rifle. I am not against stronger HAVs. In fact, I actually want stronger vehicles. But what I am against is having both an HAV buff and an AV nerf. You can only have one. What I am also against is having HAVs being better at the Anti-Vehicle role than the Anti-Vehicle role itself. That's like making Heavies better at being a Scout than a Scout. Stop using your most expensive gear. A decent tank is about 4-600k ISK. A good AV infantry dies about 2-5 times while using a suit that costs 200k. If a tanker is good, he can easily cost me 600k to destroy.. And yes, a 20k logi can easily wreck a 200k Assault suit if they know what they are doing. That's the way it should be. Everything should be easy to destroy when in the right hands and everything should also be hard to destroy when in the wrong hands. Also, why does everyone believe that 175m will be fine? Any good dropship pilot can easily fly past 175m while still being able to drop infantry and can easily spray and pray with missiles. Especially when the small missiles do 300HP of damage. And I hope the Cycled Missile Launchers are being removed. 900HP of damage for a burst fire weapon with quick ROF? Even with limited ammo that's overpowered and broken. If you want to be the best counter against other vehicles then that's fine. But you can't be equally effective against infantry as well in the same sense that AV can't be effective against both Vehicles and infantry at the same time. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 605	Posted - 2013.12.08 01:05:00 - [24] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. It's always weird when you see something that you saw months ago being brought up again. True Story: One of my "mutual friends" nicknames all his game characters and himself Batman. He has referred to himself as "Sexy Batman". You can imagine what I did when I found this video. My logi-code.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2013.12.08 01:35:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: LOL you think we are all scrubs most of the tank QQers have millions of sp and dozens if not hundreds of hours in tanks we know what we are doing we spend hours learning what are limits are and how to get out of sticky situations to get instapoped by some one with little sp (comparatively 1mil isn't a lot compared to a maxed out tanker with 16) and time spent swarming it is a point and shoot weapon that follows you around corners and can pull 180s and can lock on from 300m+ You state you can easily kill us then when we want improvements you are against it how is that not against buffs. I don't want a price debuff I want a tank that can survive 10+ matches on a regular basis Ck.0 it is weak against an assault Ak.0 because Amarr weapons are more proficient at killing them, an assault Mk.0 can still kill them just takes more effort and work, so why can't a fast missile shield tank be the counter to slower Gallente tanks, AV will still be potent but not as effective. HAV without teamwork vs. AV without teamwork= bad for HAV AV without teamwork vs. HAV with teamwork = bad for AV sure I can use no teamwork but I am vulnerable because of it 200k is 1/7 of my best tank so you think do think a 200k assault should be easily taken out by a 20k logi I don't want tanks to be super easy to use which they aren't having to balance all those modules so more money = 85% better there is still the skill factor. A suit that can both render a tank useless as well as easily destroy it which 1/7 of the price of said tank is cheap. If you get killed by ONE volley of swarms at any tier, your a scrub. I think most vehicle pilots suck simply because they say they get instakilled by AV. If you have hardners, heck even before I started using hardners I could still survive a volley of swarms. No vehicle beyond MLT has ever been OHK'd by my Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher. And that's with 4 complex damage mods, proficiency and reload V, and Ammo count IV. I have also spent countless hours and lost tons of ISK learning how to effectively use an HAV. And when I got tired of running HAVs, I decided to start using AV. However, knowing what it's like to go up against a full squad of AV hiding on a roof, I constantly told myself that I wouldn't use cheap tactics like that. if I engage a vehicle, it's usually always in CQC with very few exceptions. You can't tell me that a SL is fire and forget when you are going toe to toe against a vehicle. When you aren't hiding in the redline or going 400m away from a vehicle like a b!tch, the SL becomes a fire, and hope that your swarms hit the target and that a full squad of people don't see the SL's flight path, trace it, and decide to buttplug you with the ever so famous Duvolle Assault Rifle. I am not against stronger HAVs. In fact, I actually want stronger vehicles. But what I am against is having both an HAV buff and an AV nerf. You can only have one. What I am also against is having HAVs being better at the Anti-Vehicle role than the Anti-Vehicle role itself. That's like making Heavies better at being a Scout than a Scout. Stop using your most expensive gear. A decent tank is about 4-600k ISK. A good AV infantry dies about 2-5 times while using a suit that costs 200k. If a tanker is good, he can easily cost me 600k to destroy.. And yes, a 20k logi can easily wreck a 200k Assault suit if they know what they are doing. That's the way it should be. Everything should be easy to destroy when in the right hands and everything should also be hard to destroy when in the wrong hands. Also, why does everyone believe that 175m will be fine? Any good dropship pilot can easily fly past 175m while still being able to drop infantry and can easily spray and pray with missiles. Especially when the small missiles do 300HP of damage. And I hope the Cycled Missile Launchers are being removed. 900HP of damage for a burst fire weapon with quick ROF? Even with limited ammo that's overpowered and broken. If you want to be the best counter against other vehicles then that's fine. But you can't be equally effective against infantry as well in the same sense that AV can't be effective against both Vehicles and infantry at the same time. I have never been killed by a single swarm shot nor did I state that I had. I run dual carapace hardeners on all of my fits you clearly don't seem to know what a tanker means when he says instapop it's used very loosely. It's ridiculously easy to strafe a tank, you can also use cover and the environment to your advantage as well as your range superiority So we got an HAV nerf and you got an AV buff it will be counteracted if there is an HAV buff and an AV nerf. I don't run my most expensive tank all the time in pubs I run an 800k fit same as my PC fit but I use a scattered neutron instead of the scattered ion and swapped the scanner for a nitrus so if I die in that I would have died in 1.4mil+ tank. With ease lol unless he is stupid. Not easy but capable 175m is fine! Your last point is flawed. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
skippy678 F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 329	Posted - 2013.12.08 01:47:00 - [26] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? Honestly, tankers like char,void,spkr...Dont need a buff they play good and take care of buisness. Its the partially skilled fanboi duchebags like you that need the buff. U.play.good? F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
skippy678 F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 332	Posted - 2013.12.08 01:49:00 - [27] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? Honestly, tankers like char,void,spkr...Dont need a buff they play good and take care of buisness. Its the partially skilled fanboi duchebags like you that need the buff. maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes. U.play.good? F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1684	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:10:00 - [28] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I have never been killed by a single swarm shot nor did I state that I had. I run dual carapace hardeners on all of my fits you clearly don't seem to know what a tanker means when he says instapop it's used very loosely. It's ridiculously easy to strafe a tank, you can also use cover and the environment to your advantage as well as your range superiority So we got an HAV nerf and you got an AV buff it will be counteracted if there is an HAV buff and an AV nerf. I don't run my most expensive tank all the time in pubs I run an 800k fit same as my PC fit but I use a scattered neutron instead of the scattered ion and swapped the scanner for a nitrus so if I die in that I would have died in 1.4mil+ tank. With ease lol unless he is stupid. Not easy but capable 175m is fine! Your last point is flawed. With carapace armor hardners and a 180 plate, you should be able to survive a full clip of Swarm Launchers. And I would assume that the term "instapoped" when used by a tanker means getting killed by 1-3 vollets of swarms. Am I correct? How can you use cover? I have to keep a direct line of sight when firing at you. Unlike FGs I have to step out of cover and stay out of cover to fire at you. (And the same goes for Breach FGs) Range advantage? You want me to take advantage of me not being able to render to my advantage? That's broken. I'd sooner run Core Locus Grenades and Ishukone Gauged Nanohives on the same fit than do that. If 175m is fine, then reduce the range of turrets to 175. This includes railguns. How is my point anymore flawed than yours about a class being the best counter to itself? Also, why do you believe that with a 20% bonus damage to armor, my prof V skill, and my 4 complex damage mods; that you should be able to shrug my Swarm volleys off as if they are nothing? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 479	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:27:00 - [29] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Personally I believe it's because it only takes one person for a tank to be affective and if most tankers had their way there would only ever be one person in it. So why should it require teamwork to take out something that doesn't require teamwork to use, that's not balance. well said
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4510	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:41:00 - [30] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? "Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best." Time doesn't necessarily make you better. I have around 8000 kills, and yet I am competitive in PC against players with 20k+ kills. "Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense" Actually the best counter to dropsuits is tanks. You can destroy both tanks and infantry, and your AI power is much more than any light weapon. While infantry have to choose between AI and AV. "Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss" Why do you think a militia scrub should be able to solo a proto suit with 22mil SP? **** happens, pay attention and it won't. Seriously I only die to those people if I don't pay attention and play lazily. "Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support?" Because they are different at the core. Tanks are fire support you bring to clear out an objective that's giving you problems, tanks are there to clear out other tanks, tanks are there to be an annoyance to infantry. They are not there to be the "be all, end all" infantry that is called tank, they need help, and with help they are the most powerful weapon in the game. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:41:00 - [31] - Quote skippy678 wrote: skippy678 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? Honestly, tankers like char,void,spkr...Dont need a buff they play good and take care of buisness. Its the partially skilled fanboi duchebags like you that need the buff. maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes. I specialize in tanks hell I have more SP than Char in tanks and I haven't lost my tank in the last 15 matches I dropped it into and I am not a fanbois I bet you those 3 couldn't survive 3 Lai Dai's and a proto rail all hitting them inside of 5 seconds. They have all experienced Proto AV and have complained about it how am I different from them in that aspect anybody who has seen me tank outside of 1 game can vouch for me Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 797	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:48:00 - [32] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Atiim wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. WTF did I just watch? What has been witnessed cannot be unseen. I tried to close the page..... but it was like witnessing a train wreck, you just can't look away... MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1687	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:52:00 - [33] - Quote skippy678 wrote: maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes. Not really. I have SP spread around everything, and I'd like to consider myself to be pretty good and even better than specialized players sometimes. Though there are a few things that I am specialized in. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:57:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? "Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best." Time doesn't necessarily make you better. I have around 8000 kills, and yet I am competitive in PC against players with 20k+ kills. "Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense" Actually the best counter to dropsuits is tanks. You can destroy both tanks and infantry, and your AI power is much more than any light weapon. While infantry have to choose between AI and AV. "Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss" Why do you think a militia scrub should be able to solo a proto suit with 22mil SP? **** happens, pay attention and it won't. Seriously I only die to those people if I don't pay attention and play lazily. "Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support?" Because they are different at the core. Tanks are fire support you bring to clear out an objective that's giving you problems, tanks are there to clear out other tanks, tanks are there to be an annoyance to infantry. They are not there to be the "be all, end all" infantry that is called tank, they need help, and with help they are the most powerful weapon in the game. I only meant time more or less equals experience and he most likely has less experience, I don't mean to say that if they spent more time they are better by default but that if someone has spent much more time than you and tanks as role not as a hoby they are most likely better What I meant is that infantry can follow other infantry onto buildings on top of towers into areas were tanks can not go nor shoot I understand that in 1v1 the tank > infantry every time I meant it more situationaly. I got poped by 3 AV nades and a rail up in the mountains there was no way of telling he had nades he spammed them before I could back away and the recently called rail finished me off, awareness and lazy ness can't save you from the guy who just pulled out proto swarms at a range he can hit you extensively and you can't touch him. I understand that I acknowledge I can not win the game alone so I only run in squads we work together they call out AV I clear objective's and diminish pushes, but if I am so easily killed I can't do that. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:59:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: skippy678 wrote: maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes. Not really. I have SP spread around everything, and I'd like to consider myself to be pretty good and even better than specialized players sometimes. Though there are a few things that I am specialized in. You sure he was even talking to you cause it sounded a lot like it was directed towards me. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 130	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:01:00 - [36] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: /threadjack Hey, great game I played against you and 8 other generals last night. While we had no chance at MCC victory I was reaaaaaaally trying to grab that third point so we could come in with the clone win. GG /end threadjack Yeah I can't wait for FW 2.0 and team deploy. It'll be like mini PC battles. GG indeed, not much made spam / uplink camping and a lot of back and forth OBs. Tried to hold D with 2 troops and a hand full of berries. On topic : I'd like to see tanks and vehicles have more of a presence. We need more attractive variety so that dust becomes that space opera mmofps universe. Just too easy to kill them right now with cheap infantry fits. P.S. I don't even tank Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1687	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:05:00 - [37] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: skippy678 wrote: maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes. Not really. I have SP spread around everything, and I'd like to consider myself to be pretty good and even better than specialized players sometimes. Though there are a few things that I am specialized in. You sure he was even talking to you cause it sounded a lot like it was directed towards me. I know he was talking to you. But he was still incorrect, so I responded anyway. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:06:00 - [38] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: MassiveNine wrote: /threadjack Hey, great game I played against you and 8 other generals last night. While we had no chance at MCC victory I was reaaaaaaally trying to grab that third point so we could come in with the clone win. GG /end threadjack Yeah I can't wait for FW 2.0 and team deploy. It'll be like mini PC battles. GG indeed, not much made spam / uplink camping and a lot of back and forth OBs. Tried to hold D with 2 troops and a hand full of berries. On topic : I'd like to see tanks and vehicles have more of a presence. We need more attractive variety so that dust becomes that space opera mmofps universe. Just too easy to kill them right now with cheap infantry fits. P.S. I don't even tank I know people for some reason think this is an infantry game CCP understood that's where you get most of your player base so they developed that area the most I would like to see more tank's and dropships utilized to have some epic 3 dimensional battles even if I lose as long as I get to really experience the entirety of the MMOFPS into some games. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Ahrendee Mercenaries 468	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:10:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good". I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please. Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify. An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork? Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them. And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit. You killed my tank today :( ... Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:14:00 - [40] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good". I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please. Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify. An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork? Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them. And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit. You killed my tank today :( ... You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1690	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:14:00 - [41] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: You killed my tank today :( ... You killed my Limbus though Though I probably would have gotten away if that blueberry didn't crash into the box and not activate the hardners. Which is why we need vehicle locks. Also, never kill my Limbus. Doing so guarantees that I will spend the entire match using AV until I destroy you. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 104	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:22:00 - [42] - Quote Atiim wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. WTF did I just watch? Uhhh. Dafaq???
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1690	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:24:00 - [43] - Quote chase rowland wrote: Atiim wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. WTF did I just watch? Uhhh. Dafaq??? I don't even want to think about that video. I will never play Batman games the same way ever again... My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 105	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:34:00 - [44] - Quote Atiim wrote: chase rowland wrote: Atiim wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. WTF did I just watch? Uhhh. Dafaq??? I don't even want to think about that video. I will never play Batman games the same way ever again... I think im scarred for life.....
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1692	Posted - 2013.12.08 03:42:00 - [45] - Quote chase rowland wrote: Atiim wrote: chase rowland wrote: Atiim wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. WTF did I just watch? Uhhh. Dafaq??? I don't even want to think about that video. I will never play Batman games the same way ever again... I think im scarred for life..... I haven't seen something on the DUST 514 forums make me slam my laptop shut in terror since I Cosgar showed me a link to DJINN Leukoplast's posts. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 118	Posted - 2013.12.08 04:05:00 - [46] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. haha.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1700	Posted - 2013.12.08 04:19:00 - [47] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank. Does that even constitute re-reimbursement? If so, then I'd like a refund on my Limbus please. 300k will be enough thanks. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 288	Posted - 2013.12.08 05:49:00 - [48] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank. Does that even constitute re-reimbursement? If so, then I'd like a refund on my Limbus please. 300k will be enough thanks. Uh No! Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1718	Posted - 2013.12.08 05:55:00 - [49] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank. Does that even constitute re-reimbursement? If so, then I'd like a refund on my Limbus please. 300k will be enough thanks. Uh No! Why not? I've been a good little boy! And he started it by destroying my Limbus! And it's not like I don't have access to my corp wallet with millions of ISK.... Oh wait... My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 401	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:02:00 - [50] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank. Does that even constitute re-reimbursement? If so, then I'd like a refund on my Limbus please. 300k will be enough thanks. Uh No! Why not? I've been a good little boy! And he started it by destroying my Limbus! And it's not like I don't have access to my corp wallet with millions of ISK.... Oh wait... I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled) *Sagaris lover!!!*

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1225	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:12:00 - [51] - Quote Atiim wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. I haven't seen something on the DUST 514 forums make me slam my laptop shut in terror since Cosgar showed me a link to all of DJINN Leukoplast's posts. The only appropriate response. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 200/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1722	Posted - 2013.12.08 06:16:00 - [52] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled) You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster. And now do you believe that I am a tanker? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 799	Posted - 2013.12.08 08:30:00 - [53] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: You killed my tank today :( ... You killed my Limbus though Though I probably would have gotten away if that blueberry didn't crash into the box and not activate the hardners. Which is why we need vehicle locks. Also, never kill my Limbus. Doing so guarantees that I will spend the entire match using AV until I destroy you. I am the same way with my Limbus. Kill my blues, fine. Kill my friends... ok. But you even look at my Gertrude wrong with a tank, and my Prof. 5 swarms are coming out with 3x complex damage mods to RUIN YOUR LIFE!!! MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
skippy678 F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 332	Posted - 2013.12.08 09:43:00 - [54] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: skippy678 wrote: maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes. Not really. I have SP spread around everything, and I'd like to consider myself to be pretty good and even better than specialized players sometimes. Though there are a few things that I am specialized in. You sure he was even talking to you cause it sounded a lot like it was directed towards me. t was not directed at atim. U.play.good? F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1066	Posted - 2013.12.08 10:04:00 - [55] - Quote LOL BEST TANKER LMAO U MAKE ME LAUGH My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1166	Posted - 2013.12.08 10:11:00 - [56] - Quote Lets be honest you tankers are no better, In one thread you sit there saying tanks are so weak, you could look at them and explode . . . In the adjacent thread you wax lyrical about how you have "adapted" through all the nerfs, how "your proto launchers won't get me". In one thread you complain about the over abundance of AV, yet in the next one you recall the days of old when it took almost the whole team on PRO AV to pop you. You say HAV units should be their own best counter. We have explained multiple times this is linear escalation, which always results in people spamming tanks. I'll concede that prehaps AV shouldn't be the best, I personally would say GUNSHIPS, but we don't have those yet. The thing is, ina game like this, there can be no top of the food chain, because their is no tactics to a food chain, its all about who is on the top. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 727	Posted - 2013.12.08 11:07:00 - [57] - Quote if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 727	Posted - 2013.12.08 11:09:00 - [58] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: In one thread you complain about the over abundance of AV, yet in the next one you recall the days of old when it took almost the whole team on PRO AV to pop you. . If by days of old you mean chromo, no one spec'd into proto AV. I remember me and my buddy with proto assault forges in chromo, just the two of us, running around in a free LAV popping Suyras and Sagarisis like bubbles. Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4523	Posted - 2013.12.08 12:22:00 - [59] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? "Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best." Time doesn't necessarily make you better. I have around 8000 kills, and yet I am competitive in PC against players with 20k+ kills. "Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense" Actually the best counter to dropsuits is tanks. You can destroy both tanks and infantry, and your AI power is much more than any light weapon. While infantry have to choose between AI and AV. "Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss" Why do you think a militia scrub should be able to solo a proto suit with 22mil SP? ** happens, pay attention and it won't. Seriously I only die to those people if I don't pay attention and play lazily. "Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support?" Because they are different at the core. Tanks are fire support you bring to clear out an objective that's giving you problems, tanks are there to clear out other tanks, tanks are there to be an annoyance to infantry. They are not there to be the "be all, end all" infantry that is called tank, they need help, and with help they are the most powerful weapon in the game. I only meant time more or less equals experience and he most likely has less experience, I don't mean to say that if they spent more time they are better by default but that if someone has spent much more time than you and tanks as role not as a hoby they are most likely better What I meant is that infantry can follow other infantry onto buildings on top of towers into areas were tanks can not go nor shoot I understand that in 1v1 the tank > infantry every time I meant it more situationaly. I got poped by 3 AV nades and a rail up in the mountains there was no way of telling he had nades he spammed them before I could back away and the recently called rail finished me off, awareness and lazy ness can't save you from the guy who just pulled out proto swarms at a range he can hit you extensively and you can't touch him. I understand that I acknowledge I can not win the game alone so I only run in squads we work together they call out AV I clear objective's and diminish pushes, but if I am so easily killed I can't do that. Good to see you're reasonable. By this time most tankers would shout at me saying that I'm a dipshit *****. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Minako Nakajima Vortex State Empire Dark Taboo 49	Posted - 2013.12.08 13:19:00 - [60] - Quote Internet text hadouken's and sonic boom's... "Looks can kill." // Terminally Insane

Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 288	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:31:00 - [61] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Lets be honest you tankers are no better, In one thread you sit there saying tanks are so weak, you could look at them and explode . . . In the adjacent thread you wax lyrical about how you have "adapted" through all the nerfs, how "your proto launchers won't get me". In one thread you complain about the over abundance of AV, yet in the next one you recall the days of old when it took almost the whole team on PRO AV to pop you. You say HAV units should be their own best counter. We have explained multiple times this is linear escalation, which always results in people spamming tanks. I'll concede that prehaps AV shouldn't be the best, I personally would say GUNSHIPS, but we don't have those yet. The thing is, ina game like this, there can be no top of the food chain, because their is no tactics to a food chain, its all about who is on the top. I don't think the current Air vehicles should be the best at destroying a tank but perhaps a future vehicle like the light and heavy aircraft, the only issue I have with the current DS killing me is that it chases me deep into my redline. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 403	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:35:00 - [62] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled) You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster. And now do you believe that I am a tanker? you can literately put 1.5 mil sp into tanks and call your self a tanker... (but your not) it takes like 300k sp to get into madrugar, 100k sp to get basic turrets, 300k sp to get basic armor plates and reppes, 400k to get active reppers.. *Sagaris lover!!!*
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 403	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:36:00 - [63] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. proto fg is 47k isk.. lol? *Sagaris lover!!!*
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 268	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:43:00 - [64] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank. Best way to pop a maddie ( a good fit one ). Save my gunnlogi for other gunnlogis and lol missile maddies. (Missile maddies will never beat me! damage is lol against gunnlogi shields) Nuff Said
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 288	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:46:00 - [65] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. proto fg is 47k isk.. lol? I was thinking the same thing unless it is Aurum or something. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1747	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:24:00 - [66] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled) You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster. And now do you believe that I am a tanker? you can literately put 1.5 mil sp into tanks and call your self a tanker... (but you're not) it takes like 300k sp to get into madrugar, 100k sp to get basic turrets, 300k sp to get basic armor plates and reppes, 400k to get active reppers.. -_- With that logic, your not AV. Also, I have way more SP invested then that. Just admit that your wrong and that I am a tanker already. You'd save yourself a lot of time. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1747	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:29:00 - [67] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. That's an obvious lie. The FG itself is 47k ISK. And why don't you share your good AV fit that's less than 30k? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 17	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:39:00 - [68] - Quote Atiim wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. That's an obvious lie. The FG itself is 47k ISK. And why don't you share your good AV fit that's less than 30k? starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1747	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:47:00 - [69] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Ahrendee Mercenaries 474	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:02:00 - [70] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good". I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please. Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify. An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork? Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them. And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit. You killed my tank today :( ... You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank. Yes. 1m please Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.

Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:36:00 - [71] - Quote Atiim wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. OHh boy, you are so very wrong, i have adv swarms and all i do is put on 2 complex dmg mods on my started anti-armor fit and rip the sht out of armor tanks... (okyish against shields) Sagaris lover!!!*
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:39:00 - [72] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled) You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster. And now do you believe that I am a tanker? you can literately put 1.5 mil sp into tanks and call your self a tanker... (but you're not) it takes like 300k sp to get into madrugar, 100k sp to get basic turrets, 300k sp to get basic armor plates and reppes, 400k to get active reppers.. -_- With that logic, your not AV. Also, I have way more SP invested then that. Just admit that your wrong and that I am a tanker already. You'd save yourself a lot of time. Ok, im not specalized av cuz i have 1mil sp in to forgegun, but do i really need more? hell no.. Im able to almost 4 shot madrugars when i hit em in the as* and don't even talk about them shield tanks... But to be a tanker you need at least 7mil sp into tanks to be semi-good against ADV av. You are not a tanker ATiim, you are merely just scratching the surface to tanking. Edit: i have 1 mil sp into forgegun and there is not a tank/tanker in this game that could survive my wrath... Someone has 1.5 mil sp into tanking can barley survive ADv av and that's if they are a good tanker... *Sagaris lover!!!*
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 729	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:56:00 - [73] - Quote 55k isk for my suit, sorry, was thinking of the price when I was using the DCU-Assault FG (or whatever the ADV one was called Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1776	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:19:00 - [74] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Atiim wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. OHh boy, you are so very wrong, i have adv swarms and all i do is put on 2 complex dmg mods on my started anti-armor fit and rip the sht out of armor tanks... (okyish against shields) Reading Comprehension: 0 He said using a Starter Fit or STD suit. Go try and put 2 complex dmg mods, ADV AV grenades, and a CBR7 SL on a MLT/STD fit and see how that works out for you. Also, all weapons in the game become uberstrong when you put 2 complex damage mods on it. 2 complex damage mods gives you a higher damage boost than Proficiency Level V. Edit: Sry I didn't read the post thuroghly. Let me see a picture of your 2 complex damage mods with your valid* starter fit. Do the Amarr suits even have 2 High slots on their Starter Fits? I'm pretty sure only the Caldari Starter fits have 2 high slots, with the Minmatar having 3 high slots. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:29:00 - [75] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Atiim wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. OHh boy, you are so very wrong, i have adv swarms and all i do is put on 2 complex dmg mods on my started anti-armor fit and rip the sht out of armor tanks... (okyish against shields) Reading Comprehension: 0 He said using a Starter Fit or STD suit. Go try and put 2 complex dmg mods, ADV AV grenades, and a CBR7 SL on a MLT/STD fit and see how that works out for you. Also, all weapons in the game become uberstrong when you put 2 complex damage mods on it. 2 complex damage mods gives you a higher damage boost than Proficiency Level V. Edit: Sry I didn't read the post thuroghly. Let me see a picture of your 2 complex damage mods with your valid* starter fit. Do the Amarr suits even have 2 High slots on their Starter Fits? I'm pretty sure only the Caldari Starter fits have 2 high slots, with the Minmatar having 3 high slots. Yes, amaar have 2 highs, and yes the ADV swarms i have are on my milita amarr... Btw, i have level 5 cpu with level 4 in the core skills and level 4 in engineering... I have std smg and no nades... EDit: i forgot that my anti-armor fit is not starter, its militia amarr... Sorry no pictures, i dont know how dont care, believe me or not... Edit: STD scrambler pistol... *Sagaris lover!!!*
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1780	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:33:00 - [76] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Ok, im not specialized av cuz i have 1mil sp in to forgegun, but do i really need more? hell no.. Im able to almost 4 shot madrugars when i hit em in the as* and don't even talk about them shield tanks... But to be a tanker you need at least 7mil sp into tanks to be semi-good against ADV av. You are not a tanker ATiim, you are merely just scratching the surface to tanking. Edit: i have 1 mil sp into forgegun and there is not a tank/tanker in this game that could survive my wrath... Someone has 1.5 mil sp into tanking can barley survive ADv av and that's if they are a good tanker... So you are using a PRO weapon, with Prof V, and your only hitting the weak-spot and you expect it not to die easily? LOL it's called a "Weak Spot" for a reason. I've been piloting Madrugars for 6+ months now. You can't tell me that I'm merely scratching the surface of tanking when I have 6+ months worth of time and SP investment into HAVs. The CBR7 Swarm Launcher is not that powerful. It only has an additional 330HP of damage per volley. If your HAV's HP falls to 330HP then you were most likely going to die anyway. Even Dropship pilots have laughed off my CBR7 SLs with ease. Me not agreeing with you does not make me any less of an HAV pilot in the same sense that you disagreeing with me does not make you any less of an AV infantry. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 762	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:35:00 - [77] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. I...I don't even know how to respond to this... Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:36:00 - [78] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Ok, im not specialized av cuz i have 1mil sp in to forgegun, but do i really need more? hell no.. Im able to almost 4 shot madrugars when i hit em in the as* and don't even talk about them shield tanks... But to be a tanker you need at least 7mil sp into tanks to be semi-good against ADV av. You are not a tanker ATiim, you are merely just scratching the surface to tanking. Edit: i have 1 mil sp into forgegun and there is not a tank/tanker in this game that could survive my wrath... Someone has 1.5 mil sp into tanking can barley survive ADv av and that's if they are a good tanker... So you are using a PRO weapon, with Prof V, and your only hitting the weak-spot and you expect it not to die easily? LOL it's called a "Weak Spot" for a reason. I've been piloting Madrugars for 6+ months now. You can't tell me that I'm merely scratching the surface of tanking when I have 6+ months worth of time and SP investment into HAVs. The CBR7 Swarm Launcher is not that powerful. It only has an additional 330HP of damage per volley. If your HAV's HP falls to 330HP then you were most likely going to die anyway. Even Dropship pilots have laughed off my CBR7 SLs with ease. Me not agreeing with you does not make me any less of an HAV pilot in the same sense that you disagreeing with me does not make you any less of an AV infantry. Pro 3... The CBR7 is enough to take out madrugars... You must really suck with swarms if you cannot do that. *Sagaris lover!!!*


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