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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.07 18:06:00 -
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Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread.
It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.07 18:34:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best.
Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks?
Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense
Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss
Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support?
I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good".
I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with
AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please.
Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify.
An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork?
Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them.
And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.07 18:34:00 -
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WTF did I just watch?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.07 19:28:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Atiim wrote:Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread.
It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes okay, I looked at page twoGǪ I expect isk in my account when I log in Sure. Here's 1 ISK
Don't spend it all in one place
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.07 19:30:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:I am the best tanker because my LLAV > tanks. Not sure if I should "LIke" or say "Please Don't".
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.07 23:45:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks?
He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank. Oh Spkr4TheDead you never cease to bring a smile to my face.
Which reminds me, I've been slacking on my royalty payments haven't I?
You should expect 20 ISK when you hop online.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 00:25:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote: LOL you think we are all scrubs most of the tank QQers have millions of sp and dozens if not hundreds of hours in tanks we know what we are doing we spend hours learning what are limits are and how to get out of sticky situations to get instapoped by some one with little sp (comparatively 1mil isn't a lot compared to a maxed out tanker with 16) and time spent swarming it is a point and shoot weapon that follows you around corners and can pull 180s and can lock on from 300m+
You state you can easily kill us then when we want improvements you are against it how is that not against buffs. I don't want a price debuff I want a tank that can survive 10+ matches on a regular basis
Ck.0 it is weak against an assault Ak.0 because Amarr weapons are more proficient at killing them, an assault Mk.0 can still kill them just takes more effort and work, so why can't a fast missile shield tank be the counter to slower Gallente tanks, AV will still be potent but not as effective.
HAV without teamwork vs. AV without teamwork= bad for HAV AV without teamwork vs. HAV with teamwork = bad for AV sure I can use no teamwork but I am vulnerable because of it
200k is 1/7 of my best tank so you think do think a 200k assault should be easily taken out by a 20k logi I don't want tanks to be super easy to use which they aren't having to balance all those modules so more money = 85% better there is still the skill factor.
A suit that can both render a tank useless as well as easily destroy it which 1/7 of the price of said tank is cheap.
If you get killed by ONE volley of swarms at any tier, your a scrub. I think most vehicle pilots suck simply because they say they get instakilled by AV. If you have hardners, heck even before I started using hardners I could still survive a volley of swarms. No vehicle beyond MLT has ever been OHK'd by my Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher. And that's with 4 complex damage mods, proficiency and reload V, and Ammo count IV.
I have also spent countless hours and lost tons of ISK learning how to effectively use an HAV. And when I got tired of running HAVs, I decided to start using AV. However, knowing what it's like to go up against a full squad of AV hiding on a roof, I constantly told myself that I wouldn't use cheap tactics like that. if I engage a vehicle, it's usually always in CQC with very few exceptions. You can't tell me that a SL is fire and forget when you are going toe to toe against a vehicle. When you aren't hiding in the redline or going 400m away from a vehicle like a b!tch, the SL becomes a fire, and hope that your swarms hit the target and that a full squad of people don't see the SL's flight path, trace it, and decide to buttplug you with the ever so famous Duvolle Assault Rifle.
I am not against stronger HAVs. In fact, I actually want stronger vehicles. But what I am against is having both an HAV buff and an AV nerf. You can only have one. What I am also against is having HAVs being better at the Anti-Vehicle role than the Anti-Vehicle role itself. That's like making Heavies better at being a Scout than a Scout.
Stop using your most expensive gear. A decent tank is about 4-600k ISK. A good AV infantry dies about 2-5 times while using a suit that costs 200k. If a tanker is good, he can easily cost me 600k to destroy.. And yes, a 20k logi can easily wreck a 200k Assault suit if they know what they are doing. That's the way it should be. Everything should be easy to destroy when in the right hands and everything should also be hard to destroy when in the wrong hands.
Also, why does everyone believe that 175m will be fine? Any good dropship pilot can easily fly past 175m while still being able to drop infantry and can easily spray and pray with missiles. Especially when the small missiles do 300HP of damage. And I hope the Cycled Missile Launchers are being removed. 900HP of damage for a burst fire weapon with quick ROF? Even with limited ammo that's overpowered and broken.
If you want to be the best counter against other vehicles then that's fine. But you can't be equally effective against infantry as well in the same sense that AV can't be effective against both Vehicles and infantry at the same time.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 02:10:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I have never been killed by a single swarm shot nor did I state that I had. I run dual carapace hardeners on all of my fits you clearly don't seem to know what a tanker means when he says instapop it's used very loosely.
It's ridiculously easy to strafe a tank, you can also use cover and the environment to your advantage as well as your range superiority
So we got an HAV nerf and you got an AV buff it will be counteracted if there is an HAV buff and an AV nerf.
I don't run my most expensive tank all the time in pubs I run an 800k fit same as my PC fit but I use a scattered neutron instead of the scattered ion and swapped the scanner for a nitrus so if I die in that I would have died in 1.4mil+ tank. With ease lol unless he is stupid. Not easy but capable
175m is fine!
Your last point is flawed.
With carapace armor hardners and a 180 plate, you should be able to survive a full clip of Swarm Launchers. And I would assume that the term "instapoped" when used by a tanker means getting killed by 1-3 vollets of swarms. Am I correct?
How can you use cover? I have to keep a direct line of sight when firing at you. Unlike FGs I have to step out of cover and stay out of cover to fire at you. (And the same goes for Breach FGs)
Range advantage? You want me to take advantage of me not being able to render to my advantage? That's broken. I'd sooner run Core Locus Grenades and Ishukone Gauged Nanohives on the same fit than do that.
If 175m is fine, then reduce the range of turrets to 175. This includes railguns.
How is my point anymore flawed than yours about a class being the best counter to itself?
Also, why do you believe that with a 20% bonus damage to armor, my prof V skill, and my 4 complex damage mods; that you should be able to shrug my Swarm volleys off as if they are nothing?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 02:52:00 -
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skippy678 wrote: maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes.
Not really.
I have SP spread around everything, and I'd like to consider myself to be pretty good and even better than specialized players sometimes.
Though there are a few things that I am specialized in.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 03:05:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:skippy678 wrote: maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes.
Not really. I have SP spread around everything, and I'd like to consider myself to be pretty good and even better than specialized players sometimes. Though there are a few things that I am specialized in. You sure he was even talking to you cause it sounded a lot like it was directed towards me. I know he was talking to you.
But he was still incorrect, so I responded anyway.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 03:14:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: You killed my tank today :( ...
You killed my Limbus though
Though I probably would have gotten away if that blueberry didn't crash into the box and not activate the hardners.
Which is why we need vehicle locks.
Also, never kill my Limbus. Doing so guarantees that I will spend the entire match using AV until I destroy you.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 03:24:00 -
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I don't even want to think about that video.
I will never play Batman games the same way ever again...
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 03:42:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:I don't even want to think about that video. I will never play Batman games the same way ever again... I think im scarred for life..... I haven't seen something on the DUST 514 forums make me slam my laptop shut in terror since I Cosgar showed me a link to DJINN Leukoplast's posts.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 04:19:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank.
Does that even constitute re-reimbursement?
If so, then I'd like a refund on my Limbus please.
300k will be enough thanks.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 05:55:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank.
Does that even constitute re-reimbursement? If so, then I'd like a refund on my Limbus please. 300k will be enough thanks. Uh No! Why not?
I've been a good little boy!
And he started it by destroying my Limbus!
And it's not like I don't have access to my corp wallet with millions of ISK....
Oh wait...
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 06:16:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled)
You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster.
And now do you believe that I am a tanker?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:24:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Atiim wrote:Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled)
You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster. And now do you believe that I am a tanker? you can literately put 1.5 mil sp into tanks and call your self a tanker... (but you're not) it takes like 300k sp to get into madrugar, 100k sp to get basic turrets, 300k sp to get basic armor plates and reppes, 400k to get active reppers.. -_-
With that logic, your not AV.
Also, I have way more SP invested then that. Just admit that your wrong and that I am a tanker already. You'd save yourself a lot of time.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:29:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper
Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. That's an obvious lie.
The FG itself is 47k ISK.
And why don't you share your good AV fit that's less than 30k?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:47:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive
MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing.
And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.09 03:19:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Atiim wrote:ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive
MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. OHh boy, you are so very wrong, i have adv swarms and all i do is put on 2 complex dmg mods on my started anti-armor fit and rip the sh*t out of armor tanks... (okyish against shields) Reading Comprehension: 0
He said using a Starter Fit or STD suit.
Go try and put 2 complex dmg mods, ADV AV grenades, and a CBR7 SL on a MLT/STD fit and see how that works out for you.
Also, all weapons in the game become uberstrong when you put 2 complex damage mods on it. 2 complex damage mods gives you a higher damage boost than Proficiency Level V.
Edit: Sry I didn't read the post thuroghly. Let me see a picture of your 2 complex damage mods with your valid starter fit.
Do the Amarr suits even have 2 High slots on their Starter Fits? I'm pretty sure only the Caldari Starter fits have 2 high slots, with the Minmatar having 3 high slots.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.09 03:33:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote: Ok, im not specialized av cuz i have 1mil sp in to forgegun, but do i really need more? hell no.. Im able to almost 4 shot madrugars when i hit em in the as* and don't even talk about them shield tanks... But to be a tanker you need at least 7mil sp into tanks to be semi-good against ADV av. You are not a tanker ATiim, you are merely just scratching the surface to tanking.
Edit: i have 1 mil sp into forgegun and there is not a tank/tanker in this game that could survive my wrath... Someone has 1.5 mil sp into tanking can barley survive ADv av and that's if they are a good tanker...
So you are using a PRO weapon, with Prof V, and your only hitting the weak-spot and you expect it not to die easily? LOL it's called a "Weak Spot" for a reason.
I've been piloting Madrugars for 6+ months now. You can't tell me that I'm merely scratching the surface of tanking when I have 6+ months worth of time and SP investment into HAVs.
The CBR7 Swarm Launcher is not that powerful. It only has an additional 330HP of damage per volley. If your HAV's HP falls to 330HP then you were most likely going to die anyway. Even Dropship pilots have laughed off my CBR7 SLs with ease.
Me not agreeing with you does not make me any less of an HAV pilot in the same sense that you disagreeing with me does not make you any less of an AV infantry.
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