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Hey, great game I played against you and 8 other generals last night. While we had no chance at MCC victory I was reaaaaaaally trying to grab that third point so we could come in with the clone win. GG

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This is what I think.

He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank.

I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good".

I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with

AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please.

Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify.

An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork?

Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them.

And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit.

If you get killed by ONE volley of swarms at any tier, your a scrub. I think most vehicle pilots suck simply because they say they get instakilled by AV. If you have hardners, heck even before I started using hardners I could still survive a volley of swarms. No vehicle beyond MLT has ever been OHK'd by my Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher. And that's with 4 complex damage mods, proficiency and reload V, and Ammo count IV.

I have also spent countless hours and lost tons of ISK learning how to effectively use an HAV. And when I got tired of running HAVs, I decided to start using AV. However, knowing what it's like to go up against a full squad of AV hiding on a roof, I constantly told myself that I wouldn't use cheap tactics like that. if I engage a vehicle, it's usually always in CQC with very few exceptions. You can't tell me that a SL is fire and forget when you are going toe to toe against a vehicle. When you aren't hiding in the redline or going 400m away from a vehicle like a b!tch, the SL becomes a fire, and hope that your swarms hit the target and that a full squad of people don't see the SL's flight path, trace it, and decide to buttplug you with the ever so famous Duvolle Assault Rifle.

I am not against stronger HAVs. In fact, I actually want stronger vehicles. But what I am against is having both an HAV buff and an AV nerf. You can only have one. What I am also against is having HAVs being better at the Anti-Vehicle role than the Anti-Vehicle role itself. That's like making Heavies better at being a Scout than a Scout.

Stop using your most expensive gear. A decent tank is about 4-600k ISK. A good AV infantry dies about 2-5 times while using a suit that costs 200k. If a tanker is good, he can easily cost me 600k to destroy.. And yes, a 20k logi can easily wreck a 200k Assault suit if they know what they are doing. That's the way it should be. Everything should be easy to destroy when in the right hands and everything should also be hard to destroy when in the wrong hands.

Also, why does everyone believe that 175m will be fine? Any good dropship pilot can easily fly past 175m while still being able to drop infantry and can easily spray and pray with missiles. Especially when the small missiles do 300HP of damage. And I hope the Cycled Missile Launchers are being removed. 900HP of damage for a burst fire weapon with quick ROF? Even with limited ammo that's overpowered and broken.

If you want to be the best counter against other vehicles then that's fine. But you can't be equally effective against infantry as well in the same sense that AV can't be effective against both Vehicles and infantry at the same time.

maybe the fact that your logi/vehicle is why your not as good as anybody who speacializes.

"Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%.
If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best."
Time doesn't necessarily make you better.
I have around 8000 kills, and yet I am competitive in PC against players with 20k+ kills.


"Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense"
Actually the best counter to dropsuits is tanks.
You can destroy both tanks and infantry, and your AI power is much more than any light weapon.
While infantry have to choose between AI and AV.


"Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss"
Why do you think a militia scrub should be able to solo a proto suit with 22mil SP?
**** happens, pay attention and it won't.
Seriously I only die to those people if I don't pay attention and play lazily.


"Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support?"
Because they are different at the core.
Tanks are fire support you bring to clear out an objective that's giving you problems, tanks are there to clear out other tanks, tanks are there to be an annoyance to infantry.
They are not there to be the "be all, end all" infantry that is called tank, they need help, and with help they are the most powerful weapon in the game.

Not really.

I have SP spread around everything, and I'd like to consider myself to be pretty good and even better than specialized players sometimes.

Though there are a few things that I am specialized in.

Yeah I can't wait for FW 2.0 and team deploy. It'll be like mini PC battles. GG indeed, not much made spam / uplink camping and a lot of back and forth OBs. Tried to hold D with 2 troops and a hand full of berries.

On topic : I'd like to see tanks and vehicles have more of a presence. We need more attractive variety so that dust becomes that space opera mmofps universe. Just too easy to kill them right now with cheap infantry fits.

P.S. I don't even tank

You killed my tank today :( ...

Does that even constitute re-reimbursement?

If so, then I'd like a refund on my Limbus please.

300k will be enough thanks.

Lets be honest you tankers are no better,

In one thread you sit there saying tanks are so weak, you could look at them and explode . . . In the adjacent thread you wax lyrical about how you have "adapted" through all the nerfs, how "your proto launchers won't get me".

In one thread you complain about the over abundance of AV, yet in the next one you recall the days of old when it took almost the whole team on PRO AV to pop you.

You say HAV units should be their own best counter. We have explained multiple times this is linear escalation, which always results in people spamming tanks. I'll concede that prehaps AV shouldn't be the best, I personally would say GUNSHIPS, but we don't have those yet.

The thing is, ina game like this, there can be no top of the food chain, because their is no tactics to a food chain, its all about who is on the top.

proto fg is 47k isk.. lol?