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Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 288	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:31:00 - [61] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Lets be honest you tankers are no better, In one thread you sit there saying tanks are so weak, you could look at them and explode . . . In the adjacent thread you wax lyrical about how you have "adapted" through all the nerfs, how "your proto launchers won't get me". In one thread you complain about the over abundance of AV, yet in the next one you recall the days of old when it took almost the whole team on PRO AV to pop you. You say HAV units should be their own best counter. We have explained multiple times this is linear escalation, which always results in people spamming tanks. I'll concede that prehaps AV shouldn't be the best, I personally would say GUNSHIPS, but we don't have those yet. The thing is, ina game like this, there can be no top of the food chain, because their is no tactics to a food chain, its all about who is on the top. I don't think the current Air vehicles should be the best at destroying a tank but perhaps a future vehicle like the light and heavy aircraft, the only issue I have with the current DS killing me is that it chases me deep into my redline. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 403	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:35:00 - [62] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled) You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster. And now do you believe that I am a tanker? you can literately put 1.5 mil sp into tanks and call your self a tanker... (but your not) it takes like 300k sp to get into madrugar, 100k sp to get basic turrets, 300k sp to get basic armor plates and reppes, 400k to get active reppers.. *Sagaris lover!!!*
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 403	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:36:00 - [63] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. proto fg is 47k isk.. lol? *Sagaris lover!!!*
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 268	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:43:00 - [64] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank. Best way to pop a maddie ( a good fit one ). Save my gunnlogi for other gunnlogis and lol missile maddies. (Missile maddies will never beat me! damage is lol against gunnlogi shields) Nuff Said
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 288	Posted - 2013.12.08 15:46:00 - [65] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. proto fg is 47k isk.. lol? I was thinking the same thing unless it is Aurum or something. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1747	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:24:00 - [66] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled) You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster. And now do you believe that I am a tanker? you can literately put 1.5 mil sp into tanks and call your self a tanker... (but you're not) it takes like 300k sp to get into madrugar, 100k sp to get basic turrets, 300k sp to get basic armor plates and reppes, 400k to get active reppers.. -_- With that logic, your not AV. Also, I have way more SP invested then that. Just admit that your wrong and that I am a tanker already. You'd save yourself a lot of time. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1747	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:29:00 - [67] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. That's an obvious lie. The FG itself is 47k ISK. And why don't you share your good AV fit that's less than 30k? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 17	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:39:00 - [68] - Quote Atiim wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: if you're spending 200k isk on an AV suit, you're doing it wrong proto assault FG blueprint scrambler pistol Exo AV grenade blueprint heavy suit (Im using the Templar Sentinal) damage mod Plate Repper Tanks go by by and it costs me less then 30k isk. That's an obvious lie. The FG itself is 47k ISK. And why don't you share your good AV fit that's less than 30k? starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1747	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:47:00 - [69] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Ahrendee Mercenaries 474	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:02:00 - [70] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%. If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best. Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks? Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks? Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support? I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good". I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please. Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify. An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork? Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them. And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit. You killed my tank today :( ... You want a refund if I am in a good mood when I get on just because Atiim killed you I will refund your tank. Yes. 1m please Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.

Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:36:00 - [71] - Quote Atiim wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. OHh boy, you are so very wrong, i have adv swarms and all i do is put on 2 complex dmg mods on my started anti-armor fit and rip the sht out of armor tanks... (okyish against shields) Sagaris lover!!!*
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:39:00 - [72] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: I went ham today in my tank :D, then it got almost owned by a railgun installation in the redline and a swarm launcher dude sniping me... ( i recalled) You did pretty well TBH. My missile launcher just couldn't compete against your blaster. And now do you believe that I am a tanker? you can literately put 1.5 mil sp into tanks and call your self a tanker... (but you're not) it takes like 300k sp to get into madrugar, 100k sp to get basic turrets, 300k sp to get basic armor plates and reppes, 400k to get active reppers.. -_- With that logic, your not AV. Also, I have way more SP invested then that. Just admit that your wrong and that I am a tanker already. You'd save yourself a lot of time. Ok, im not specalized av cuz i have 1mil sp in to forgegun, but do i really need more? hell no.. Im able to almost 4 shot madrugars when i hit em in the as* and don't even talk about them shield tanks... But to be a tanker you need at least 7mil sp into tanks to be semi-good against ADV av. You are not a tanker ATiim, you are merely just scratching the surface to tanking. Edit: i have 1 mil sp into forgegun and there is not a tank/tanker in this game that could survive my wrath... Someone has 1.5 mil sp into tanking can barley survive ADv av and that's if they are a good tanker... *Sagaris lover!!!*
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 729	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:56:00 - [73] - Quote 55k isk for my suit, sorry, was thinking of the price when I was using the DCU-Assault FG (or whatever the ADV one was called Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1776	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:19:00 - [74] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Atiim wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. OHh boy, you are so very wrong, i have adv swarms and all i do is put on 2 complex dmg mods on my started anti-armor fit and rip the sht out of armor tanks... (okyish against shields) Reading Comprehension: 0 He said using a Starter Fit or STD suit. Go try and put 2 complex dmg mods, ADV AV grenades, and a CBR7 SL on a MLT/STD fit and see how that works out for you. Also, all weapons in the game become uberstrong when you put 2 complex damage mods on it. 2 complex damage mods gives you a higher damage boost than Proficiency Level V. Edit: Sry I didn't read the post thuroghly. Let me see a picture of your 2 complex damage mods with your valid* starter fit. Do the Amarr suits even have 2 High slots on their Starter Fits? I'm pretty sure only the Caldari Starter fits have 2 high slots, with the Minmatar having 3 high slots. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:29:00 - [75] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Atiim wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: starter fit ot STD suit adv swarms adv av nades std hive MLT/STD/ADV Swarm Launchers are terribad. PRO or nothing. And I doubt you'd have enough CPU/PG without tons of SP invested into core skills. OHh boy, you are so very wrong, i have adv swarms and all i do is put on 2 complex dmg mods on my started anti-armor fit and rip the sht out of armor tanks... (okyish against shields) Reading Comprehension: 0 He said using a Starter Fit or STD suit. Go try and put 2 complex dmg mods, ADV AV grenades, and a CBR7 SL on a MLT/STD fit and see how that works out for you. Also, all weapons in the game become uberstrong when you put 2 complex damage mods on it. 2 complex damage mods gives you a higher damage boost than Proficiency Level V. Edit: Sry I didn't read the post thuroghly. Let me see a picture of your 2 complex damage mods with your valid* starter fit. Do the Amarr suits even have 2 High slots on their Starter Fits? I'm pretty sure only the Caldari Starter fits have 2 high slots, with the Minmatar having 3 high slots. Yes, amaar have 2 highs, and yes the ADV swarms i have are on my milita amarr... Btw, i have level 5 cpu with level 4 in the core skills and level 4 in engineering... I have std smg and no nades... EDit: i forgot that my anti-armor fit is not starter, its militia amarr... Sorry no pictures, i dont know how dont care, believe me or not... Edit: STD scrambler pistol... *Sagaris lover!!!*
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1780	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:33:00 - [76] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Ok, im not specialized av cuz i have 1mil sp in to forgegun, but do i really need more? hell no.. Im able to almost 4 shot madrugars when i hit em in the as* and don't even talk about them shield tanks... But to be a tanker you need at least 7mil sp into tanks to be semi-good against ADV av. You are not a tanker ATiim, you are merely just scratching the surface to tanking. Edit: i have 1 mil sp into forgegun and there is not a tank/tanker in this game that could survive my wrath... Someone has 1.5 mil sp into tanking can barley survive ADv av and that's if they are a good tanker... So you are using a PRO weapon, with Prof V, and your only hitting the weak-spot and you expect it not to die easily? LOL it's called a "Weak Spot" for a reason. I've been piloting Madrugars for 6+ months now. You can't tell me that I'm merely scratching the surface of tanking when I have 6+ months worth of time and SP investment into HAVs. The CBR7 Swarm Launcher is not that powerful. It only has an additional 330HP of damage per volley. If your HAV's HP falls to 330HP then you were most likely going to die anyway. Even Dropship pilots have laughed off my CBR7 SLs with ease. Me not agreeing with you does not make me any less of an HAV pilot in the same sense that you disagreeing with me does not make you any less of an AV infantry. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 762	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:35:00 - [77] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what I think. I...I don't even know how to respond to this... Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:36:00 - [78] - Quote Atiim wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Ok, im not specialized av cuz i have 1mil sp in to forgegun, but do i really need more? hell no.. Im able to almost 4 shot madrugars when i hit em in the as* and don't even talk about them shield tanks... But to be a tanker you need at least 7mil sp into tanks to be semi-good against ADV av. You are not a tanker ATiim, you are merely just scratching the surface to tanking. Edit: i have 1 mil sp into forgegun and there is not a tank/tanker in this game that could survive my wrath... Someone has 1.5 mil sp into tanking can barley survive ADv av and that's if they are a good tanker... So you are using a PRO weapon, with Prof V, and your only hitting the weak-spot and you expect it not to die easily? LOL it's called a "Weak Spot" for a reason. I've been piloting Madrugars for 6+ months now. You can't tell me that I'm merely scratching the surface of tanking when I have 6+ months worth of time and SP investment into HAVs. The CBR7 Swarm Launcher is not that powerful. It only has an additional 330HP of damage per volley. If your HAV's HP falls to 330HP then you were most likely going to die anyway. Even Dropship pilots have laughed off my CBR7 SLs with ease. Me not agreeing with you does not make me any less of an HAV pilot in the same sense that you disagreeing with me does not make you any less of an AV infantry. Pro 3... The CBR7 is enough to take out madrugars... You must really suck with swarms if you cannot do that. *Sagaris lover!!!*


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