/threadjack

Hey, great game I played against you and 8 other generals last night. While we had no chance at MCC victory I was reaaaaaaally trying to grab that third point so we could come in with the clone win. GG

/end threadjack

This is what I think.

Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense

Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss

Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread.

It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes

Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%.
If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best.

Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks?
Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks?

Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense

Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss

Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support?

This is what I think.

WTF did I just watch?

Oh hey, I didn't even see this thread.

It pays well to look at Page 2 sometimes

okay, I looked at page twoGǪ I expect isk in my account when I log in

I am the best tanker because my LLAV > tanks.

Not sure if I should "LIke" or say "Please Don't".

Sure. Here's 1 ISK

Don't spend it all in one place

Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks?

He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank.

I never said I was the best tanker in the game. In fact, I admit to being far from being the best tanker in the game. I say 99.99 of HAV pilots aren't good because they can't survive one volley of SL launchers. They also say that they can be easily killed by one full clip of a MLT Swarm Launcher. If you can't survive that with dual hardners then I just don't know what to tell you other than "Get Good".

I've also never said that I am against all "buffs" to vehicles. For example, I've stated many times that HAVs (DSs too) need a serious price de-buff, and that the Gunnlogi needs a serious buff. It's only certain buffs that I don't agree with

AV is already an extremely worthless SP sink. Vehicles are even worse. I'd say that vehicles need to have a lower sink than they do currently. And CCP didn't really help by increasing the sink in 1.7. Though I can't wait to see how the vehicle operations skills will work out. A skill that lets me use both Gunnlogies and Madrugars? Yes please.

Dropsuits vs Dropsuits are way to much of an over-generalization. Just like me saying vehicles vs vehicles would be to much of an over generalization. Please specify.

An HAV does not require a full squad of support. Nether does AV. I say teamwork for none, or teamwork for all. While most HAV users do use teamwork, there is nothing stopping them from running solo and still doing just as well. So why should AV users be FORCED to use teamwork when HAV pilots aren't FORCED to use teamwork?

Throwing ISK at something shouldn't make you 100% better than another. And why would a class be the best counter in comparison to a class that is specifically designed to destroy them.

And a "cheep" suit? I wish I could call 200k a "cheep" suit.

He says that because he uses PRO swarms instead of his own silly little tank.

LOL you think we are all scrubs most of the tank QQers have millions of sp and dozens if not hundreds of hours in tanks we know what we are doing we spend hours learning what are limits are and how to get out of sticky situations to get instapoped by some one with little sp (comparatively 1mil isn't a lot compared to a maxed out tanker with 16) and time spent swarming it is a point and shoot weapon that follows you around corners and can pull 180s and can lock on from 300m+

You state you can easily kill us then when we want improvements you are against it how is that not against buffs. I don't want a price debuff I want a tank that can survive 10+ matches on a regular basis

Ck.0 it is weak against an assault Ak.0 because Amarr weapons are more proficient at killing them, an assault Mk.0 can still kill them just takes more effort and work, so why can't a fast missile shield tank be the counter to slower Gallente tanks, AV will still be potent but not as effective.

HAV without teamwork vs. AV without teamwork= bad for HAV
AV without teamwork vs. HAV with teamwork = bad for AV
sure I can use no teamwork but I am vulnerable because of it

200k is 1/7 of my best tank so you think do think a 200k assault should be easily taken out by a 20k logi I don't want tanks to be super easy to use which they aren't having to balance all those modules so more money = 85% better there is still the skill factor.

A suit that can both render a tank useless as well as easily destroy it which 1/7 of the price of said tank is cheap.

This is what I think.

If you get killed by ONE volley of swarms at any tier, your a scrub. I think most vehicle pilots suck simply because they say they get instakilled by AV. If you have hardners, heck even before I started using hardners I could still survive a volley of swarms. No vehicle beyond MLT has ever been OHK'd by my Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher. And that's with 4 complex damage mods, proficiency and reload V, and Ammo count IV.

I have also spent countless hours and lost tons of ISK learning how to effectively use an HAV. And when I got tired of running HAVs, I decided to start using AV. However, knowing what it's like to go up against a full squad of AV hiding on a roof, I constantly told myself that I wouldn't use cheap tactics like that. if I engage a vehicle, it's usually always in CQC with very few exceptions. You can't tell me that a SL is fire and forget when you are going toe to toe against a vehicle. When you aren't hiding in the redline or going 400m away from a vehicle like a b!tch, the SL becomes a fire, and hope that your swarms hit the target and that a full squad of people don't see the SL's flight path, trace it, and decide to buttplug you with the ever so famous Duvolle Assault Rifle.

I am not against stronger HAVs. In fact, I actually want stronger vehicles. But what I am against is having both an HAV buff and an AV nerf. You can only have one. What I am also against is having HAVs being better at the Anti-Vehicle role than the Anti-Vehicle role itself. That's like making Heavies better at being a Scout than a Scout.

Stop using your most expensive gear. A decent tank is about 4-600k ISK. A good AV infantry dies about 2-5 times while using a suit that costs 200k. If a tanker is good, he can easily cost me 600k to destroy.. And yes, a 20k logi can easily wreck a 200k Assault suit if they know what they are doing. That's the way it should be. Everything should be easy to destroy when in the right hands and everything should also be hard to destroy when in the wrong hands.

Also, why does everyone believe that 175m will be fine? Any good dropship pilot can easily fly past 175m while still being able to drop infantry and can easily spray and pray with missiles. Especially when the small missiles do 300HP of damage. And I hope the Cycled Missile Launchers are being removed. 900HP of damage for a burst fire weapon with quick ROF? Even with limited ammo that's overpowered and broken.

If you want to be the best counter against other vehicles then that's fine. But you can't be equally effective against infantry as well in the same sense that AV can't be effective against both Vehicles and infantry at the same time.

Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%.
If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best.

Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks?
Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks?

Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense

Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss

Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support?

Honestly, tankers like char,void,spkr...Dont need a buff they play good and take care of buisness. Its the partially skilled fanboi duchebags like you that need the buff.

I have never been killed by a single swarm shot nor did I state that I had. I run dual carapace hardeners on all of my fits you clearly don't seem to know what a tanker means when he says instapop it's used very loosely.

It's ridiculously easy to strafe a tank, you can also use cover and the environment to your advantage as well as your range superiority

So we got an HAV nerf and you got an AV buff it will be counteracted if there is an HAV buff and an AV nerf.

I don't run my most expensive tank all the time in pubs I run an 800k fit same as my PC fit but I use a scattered neutron instead of the scattered ion and swapped the scanner for a nitrus so if I die in that I would have died in 1.4mil+ tank. With ease lol unless he is stupid. Not easy but capable

175m is fine!

Your last point is flawed.

Personally I believe it's because it only takes one person for a tank to be affective and if most tankers had their way there would only ever be one person in it. So why should it require teamwork to take out something that doesn't require teamwork to use, that's not balance.

Why do you think you are the best tanker in the game despite piloting tanks much less than tanking veterans and having much less sp into tanks? You have stated numerous times 99.99% of HAV pilots are not skilled I assume you are the 0.01%.
If Char, Bob, Void, Sprk went up against you, you would get waffle stomped so why do you still think your the best.

Why are you against tank buffs when you have stated you have no trouble taking out tanks?
Do you want them to be massive worthless sp sinks?

Why are you against tanks being the best but not only counter to other Tanks. Dropsuits are the best counter to dropsuits why not tanks be the best counter to tanks it's common sense

Why do you think you should be able to solo someone who has 10mil + in tanks with 5mil or less in AV with a cheep suit while they have to grind 6 plus matches to make up for the loss

Why do you think AV should require no team work to pop a tank while tanks require a full squad of support?