DUST Search - Active Scanners Make a Mockery of Scouts

Denak Kalamari wrote:

This is so incorrect and ignorant in so many ways.

First of all, using every single low slot you have for stealth modules makes your choices for tanking very small. You can't fit codebreakers to help hack objectives, armor plates to beef up your already redicilously small HP, an armor repairer to give you some survivability out of combat, biotic modules to make you run faster and longer to survive encounters. Nope, you can't do any of that, simply to avoid a single or a few people with a prototype level scanner, which makes the entire stealth aspect of your suit useless.

And you can't be more incorrect about the Focused scanners. As soon as people start noticing that there's a scout who can avoid the proto scanner, they instantly switch to the focused one just to find you and kill you easily with their stupid logi suits using Duvolle ARs and have a 1000 eHP.

You see, stealth is broken in this game, and grossly unbalanced towards active scanners. The fact that you have to waste over 5 million SP on scout suit levels and maxing out your profile dampening skill, and waste two slots to complex profile dampeners, maybe even a few million more SP to electronics and engineering just to make those complex dampeners fit, while you only need 1.5 million SP for an active scanner and one equipment slot, which the logi suits have at least three, and can make all that SP spent on boosting your stealth useless.

Get your facts right next time.

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DeadlyAztec11 2517	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:53:00 - [1] - Quote It is ridiculous that just one equipment, active scanners, can completely make scouts useless. Particularly at the Proto Level, where a scout with max proficiency in all dampening skills needs to run a Complex Dampener + Another Dampener. Two slots used already. That is one slot to many. The Scout at max skills should be able to avoid all scanners with no more than one Complex Dampener. Who dares agree! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 179	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:58:00 - [2] - Quote Yissss! The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1055	Posted - 2013.12.07 05:58:00 - [3] - Quote I do. How about making non-scouts think twice before using that scanner of theirs ? It's a bit odd that everyone can (and does) use active scanning without any drawbacks. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 460	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:03:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It is ridiculous that just one equipment, active scanners, can completely make scouts useless. Particularly at the Proto Level, where a scout with max proficiency in all dampening skills needs to run a Complex Dampener + Another Dampener. Two slots used already. That is one slot to many. The Scout at max skills should be able to avoid all scanners with no more than one Complex Dampener. Who dares agree! put two complex profile dampners and stop being a freaking noob about it. That will stop you from getting scanned from everything but the proto "FOCUSED" scanner. And guess what bro-ham. NO ONE USES THAT ONE EVER. So you're good. Be stealth and stop qqing Newb
JL3Eleven 1347	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:05:00 - [5] - Quote Scanners should be removed from the game. Keep it passive only. Dust Billionaire and LAV BPO Dealer "Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." -Henry David Thoreau
ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings 49	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:06:00 - [6] - Quote I honestly believe that a proto scout with profile dampening to 5 shouldn't have to worry about scanners period. Dampeners should only have to be used by wannabe scouts. If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
JL3Eleven 1347	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:06:00 - [7] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It is ridiculous that just one equipment, active scanners, can completely make scouts useless. Particularly at the Proto Level, where a scout with max proficiency in all dampening skills needs to run a Complex Dampener + Another Dampener. Two slots used already. That is one slot to many. The Scout at max skills should be able to avoid all scanners with no more than one Complex Dampener. Who dares agree! put two complex profile dampners and stop being a freaking noob about it. That will stop you from getting scanned from everything but the proto "FOCUSED" scanner. And guess what bro-ham. NO ONE USES THAT ONE EVER. So you're good. Be stealth and stop qqing lol bad advice is bad. yes please waist two slots for an easy mode preventer. Dust Billionaire and LAV BPO Dealer "Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." -Henry David Thoreau
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 109	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:31:00 - [8] - Quote And while their at it, fix my passive scans so they work in my 31 meter bubble, not just in front of me...its kinda offputting that I invested into radar only to get radar eyes! Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Pistol supremacy.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 577	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:34:00 - [9] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It is ridiculous that just one equipment, active scanners, can completely make scouts useless. Particularly at the Proto Level, where a scout with max proficiency in all dampening skills needs to run a Complex Dampener + Another Dampener. Two slots used already. That is one slot to many. The Scout at max skills should be able to avoid all scanners with no more than one Complex Dampener. Who dares agree! put two complex profile dampners and stop being a freaking noob about it. That will stop you from getting scanned from everything but the proto "FOCUSED" scanner. And guess what bro-ham. NO ONE USES THAT ONE EVER. So you're good. Be stealth and stop qqing You are way too obviously not a scout, and in fact you are most likely a dedicated FOTM (assault) logi with AR, Dmg mods and scanners and maybe even some rep hives if ya wanna be fancy... Host of Zilla's Games! The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 276	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:51:00 - [10] - Quote Everything makes a mockery of Scouts. Either (A) accept that CCP hates you and wants you to adopt a medium suit and assault rifle or (B) Quit playing the game and be happier for it.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1169	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:51:00 - [11] - Quote I feel for you paper people. I really do. What's worse is that there will be an even STRONGER scanner come 1.7. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
DeadlyAztec11 2521	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:57:00 - [12] - Quote ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Everything makes a mockery of Scouts. Either (A) accept that CCP hates you and wants you to adopt a medium suit and assault rifle or (B) Quit playing the game and be happier for it. I did. I got a Minmatar Assault and Burst AR. IT'S NOT BETTER! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 369	Posted - 2013.12.07 07:14:00 - [13] - Quote Yea, the Min Assault has become all but worthless in the past few months. I'm only around 12mil lifetime SP, but every last bit has been spent on improving skills and cores that apply to my role. Maybe I need more SP to break through to the next level, or maybe I just suck. But this suit was waaaaay better back when I started in July, even having a miniscule amount of SP. Every time I try to walk away, something makes me turn around and stay, and I can't tell you why Eagles Dust Tribute
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 312	Posted - 2013.12.07 07:30:00 - [14] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I feel for you paper people. I really do. What's worse is that there will be an even STRONGER scanner come 1.7. If you are talking about the LP active scanner then i think they will just have a longer scan duration not a lower scan threshold. And i dont mind using up my low slots with complex dampners. I find that even though people get a "Some Margin of Error" message they still trust their scanner... much makes my job sweeter. They are all afraid of what the scout could become... thats why they don't buff them. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Ghost Kaisar THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED 978	Posted - 2013.12.07 08:16:00 - [15] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It is ridiculous that just one equipment, active scanners, can completely make scouts useless. Particularly at the Proto Level, where a scout with max proficiency in all dampening skills needs to run a Complex Dampener + Another Dampener. Two slots used already. That is one slot to many. The Scout at max skills should be able to avoid all scanners with no more than one Complex Dampener. Who dares agree! put two complex profile dampners and stop being a freaking noob about it. That will stop you from getting scanned from everything but the proto "FOCUSED" scanner. And guess what bro-ham. NO ONE USES THAT ONE EVER. So you're good. Be stealth and stop qqing You do realize that minmatars only have 2 low slots right....... "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 343	Posted - 2013.12.07 08:21:00 - [16] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It is ridiculous that just one equipment, active scanners, can completely make scouts useless. Particularly at the Proto Level, where a scout with max proficiency in all dampening skills needs to run a Complex Dampener + Another Dampener. Two slots used already. That is one slot to many. The Scout at max skills should be able to avoid all scanners with no more than one Complex Dampener. Who dares agree! put two complex profile dampners and stop being a freaking noob about it. That will stop you from getting scanned from everything but the proto "FOCUSED" scanner. And guess what bro-ham. NO ONE USES THAT ONE EVER. So you're good. Be stealth and stop qqing You are way too obviously not a scout, and in fact you are most likely a dedicated FOTM (assault) logi with AR, Dmg mods and scanners and maybe even some rep hives if ya wanna be fancy... I resent that. I'm sometimes a Killer Bee, but I run CalLogi, which was nerfed. So there. Names of playstyles
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 685	Posted - 2013.12.07 08:27:00 - [17] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It is ridiculous that just one equipment, active scanners, can completely make scouts useless. Particularly at the Proto Level, where a scout with max proficiency in all dampening skills needs to run a Complex Dampener + Another Dampener. Two slots used already. That is one slot to many. The Scout at max skills should be able to avoid all scanners with no more than one Complex Dampener. Who dares agree! put two complex profile dampners and stop being a freaking noob about it. That will stop you from getting scanned from everything but the proto "FOCUSED" scanner. And guess what bro-ham. NO ONE USES THAT ONE EVER. So you're good. Be stealth and stop qqing This is so incorrect and ignorant in so many ways. First of all, using every single low slot you have for stealth modules makes your choices for tanking very small. You can't fit codebreakers to help hack objectives, armor plates to beef up your already redicilously small HP, an armor repairer to give you some survivability out of combat, biotic modules to make you run faster and longer to survive encounters. Nope, you can't do any of that, simply to avoid a single or a few people with a prototype level scanner, which makes the entire stealth aspect of your suit useless. And you can't be more incorrect about the Focused scanners. As soon as people start noticing that there's a scout who can avoid the proto scanner, they instantly switch to the focused one just to find you and kill you easily with their stupid logi suits using Duvolle ARs and have a 1000 eHP. You see, stealth is broken in this game, and grossly unbalanced towards active scanners. The fact that you have to waste over 5 million SP on scout suit levels and maxing out your profile dampening skill, and waste two slots to complex profile dampeners, while you only need 1.5 million SP for an active scanner that can make all that useless. Get your facts right next time. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published 05/12/13
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 393	Posted - 2013.12.07 08:48:00 - [18] - Quote I think those active scanners should be removed from this game for good. Or at least make the scouts immune to those silly things.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 387	Posted - 2013.12.07 08:58:00 - [19] - Quote I've actually resisted scans before on my Med suit (no dampeners) by apparently crouching... I wonder if that's actually a mechanic or just a coincidence. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 489	Posted - 2013.12.07 09:02:00 - [20] - Quote lol wut. So much misinformation in this thread. 1) Proto scouts only need Lvl 2 dampening and one basic or militia module to evade 28dB proto scanners. Only the Gal Scout can avoid the 15dB proto scans (using 4x complex) so if you don't intend to run this fit or dampeners on other suits, you've wasted your SP. 2) 15dB proto scanners are rare, have crappy light up time, have a long cooldown time, and are overall a lot worse than quantum scanners. Their scan visibility is only 10 seconds, with 33 seconds between scans, so for them to give constant data on you, your enemy would need three or more people taking turns to scan. If you gimp the enemy that much in terms of PG and time without a gun, consider it a job well done.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1064	Posted - 2013.12.07 09:27:00 - [21] - Quote ELITE INQUISITOR wrote: I honestly believe that a proto scout with profile dampening to 5 shouldn't have to worry about scanners period. Dampeners should only have to be used by wannabe scouts. I killed some proto scout today and u could straight out tell he was a wannabe because u just see him spinning like 5times in 10 seconds i was like tf lol so sad that people need this but dont know how to play. My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 554	Posted - 2013.12.07 10:58:00 - [22] - Quote I'm a scout, Its very rare that I ever get scanned. and I'm only at lvl 4 with the suit. Its only the dedicated scanners that can detect me and they're mostly in the hands of the proto logi's so if i'm clever I can easily avoid them. When I do get scanned I do have a 'stealthy' fit with dampeners (not even complex ones) and the problem goes away. I have no qualms with scanners at all. I run a logi too and they're a pig to fit so it kinda balances out cus both players have to compromise "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4486	Posted - 2013.12.07 11:02:00 - [23] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119796&find=unread Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 951	Posted - 2013.12.07 11:04:00 - [24] - Quote I was in a random squad tonight. A guy picked up on the scanner, so I cut him off as he rounded the corner. I dropped him like a bug... It was a Gk.0 Scout... I said to his dead clone "Buddy, I'm sorry. That should not have happened..." I'm not for having a Cloak. But I do think that scouts need to be invisible to ALL scanners. Stealth is their biggest tool, you take that away from them and they are useless even more so.
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 474	Posted - 2013.12.07 11:28:00 - [25] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It is ridiculous that just one equipment, active scanners, can completely make scouts useless. Particularly at the Proto Level, where a scout with max proficiency in all dampening skills needs to run a Complex Dampener + Another Dampener. Two slots used already. That is one slot to many. The Scout at max skills should be able to avoid all scanners with no more than one Complex Dampener. Heck if there was total justice in this world then the Scout Proficiency would be enough, not even one basic dampener. Who dares agree! Yup. agreed. +1 you have to use up all those slots which gives you guy probably 300hp and that means you'll be gunned down in 10 bullets, scanned or not. It puts you at a disadvantage in the situations in which you're scanned but ALSO in situations where you are not and that's the problem. You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
FAKIR REDETTa 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 22	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:41:00 - [26] - Quote make active scanner usage only unique for scout problem solved.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2138	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:12:00 - [27] - Quote Active scanners have their place. They need a balancing pass but aren't horrible. Saying scouts should be immune to active scanners is like saying heavies should be immune to light weapons. You counter them but can't completely defeat them. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8432	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:24:00 - [28] - Quote But scouts are so OP, how else would we balance them if they didn't glow like christmas trees on our radar? Win ISK / Vids / O7
DeadlyAztec11 2539	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:47:00 - [29] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: lol wut. So much misinformation in this thread. 1) Proto scouts only need Lvl 2 dampening and one basic or militia module to evade 28dB proto scanners. Only the Gal Scout can avoid the 15dB proto scans (using 4x complex) so if you don't intend to run this fit or dampeners on other suits, you've wasted your SP. 2) 15dB proto scanners are rare, have crappy light up time, have a long cooldown time, and are overall a lot worse than quantum scanners. Their scan visibility is only 10 seconds, with 33 seconds between scans, so for them to give constant data on you, your enemy would need three or more people taking turns to scan. If you gimp the enemy that much in terms of PG and time without a gun, consider it a job well done. Actually you are wrong on a few things: -Gallante Scouts are not any more stealthy than Minmatar Scouts because they both have 45 suit precision and both have the same "-5% suit profile per level". -Dampeners don't have stacking penalties -Logi's can use CPU and PG skills to still run everything Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 52	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:43:00 - [30] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: This is so incorrect and ignorant in so many ways. First of all, using every single low slot you have for stealth modules makes your choices for tanking very small. You can't fit codebreakers to help hack objectives, armor plates to beef up your already redicilously small HP, an armor repairer to give you some survivability out of combat, biotic modules to make you run faster and longer to survive encounters. Nope, you can't do any of that, simply to avoid a single or a few people with a prototype level scanner, which makes the entire stealth aspect of your suit useless. And you can't be more incorrect about the Focused scanners. As soon as people start noticing that there's a scout who can avoid the proto scanner, they instantly switch to the focused one just to find you and kill you easily with their stupid logi suits using Duvolle ARs and have a 1000 eHP. You see, stealth is broken in this game, and grossly unbalanced towards active scanners. The fact that you have to waste over 5 million SP on scout suit levels and maxing out your profile dampening skill, and waste two slots to complex profile dampeners, maybe even a few million more SP to electronics and engineering just to make those complex dampeners fit, while you only need 1.5 million SP for an active scanner and one equipment slot, which the logi suits have at least three, and can make all that SP spent on boosting your stealth useless. Get your facts right next time. Ok Settle down pal, for u ppl who don't get it this is the ony wayy scouts work (for me at least) Don't get seen ,don't get shot, kill em before they know what hit em. The suit is invisible to passive, and I can get a adv light suit under all but that one scanner for about the price of a scanner. Also put a basic scanner on ur scout and u should never have to have to worry about anyone but other scouts.

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