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Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 133	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:30:00 - [1] - Quote This is the best evidence compiled showing that the Gallente & Minmitar are not all good. Included in this you will begin to see why The Amarr & Caldari are NOT all bad. This is just to prove NONE of The 5 Empires are purely good. However this post is just specifically showing of Gallente & Minmitar. The Compiled Links http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/elokur-found-not-guilty-small-scale-riots-erupt/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/minmatar-react-to-senate-report-call-for-elokurs-freedom/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/minmatar-call-for-release-of-imprisoned-brutor-student/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/federation-minmatar-report-widespread-discrimination/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/conservative-senator-calls-republic-untrustworthy/?_ga=1.126687949.1394815453.1384801544 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jamyl_Sarum?_ga=1.90511322.1394815453.1384801544 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120041&find=unread https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari_Prime http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/clashes-on-caldari-prime-quelled-by-mordus-legion/ http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/black-eagles/ These are just the shinning top example Links I could find & their are countless more that show how good as well as bad ALL 5 Empires are. Let The Truth Be Revealed....
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3704	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:56:00 - [2] - Quote I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation! Amarr Victor!
Mistaahh Juvenile Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote Interesting. I enjoy gallentean's pornographic legacy the most. Rest? Meh. Ain't nothing I need except stone cold ISK.-Mistaahh Juvenile, neutral mercenary.
Mistaahh Juvenile Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:59:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. I admire the Amarr and Caldari most, due to them being very though and determined. Ain't nothing I need except stone cold ISK.-Mistaahh Juvenile, neutral mercenary.
True Adamance Fatal Absolution 4560	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:07:00 - [5] - Quote Mistaahh Juvenile wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. I admire the Amarr and Caldari most, due to them being very though and determined. That is what I admire about the Caldari....(( The Amarr no so much but I associate them with Space Marines so....well.....2m armoured giants, screaming litanies of hate and faith at their enemies...)) "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
DeadlyAztec11 2498	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:10:00 - [6] - Quote No of course we aren't all good. I just got back from eliminating a rogue agent while he was sleeping in the same bed with his wife. Boom. Struck right in the danger zone. But if we are messed up then the Caldari and Amarr are just despicable. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Mistaahh Juvenile Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:16:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mistaahh Juvenile wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. I admire the Amarr and Caldari most, due to them being very though and determined. That is what I admire about the Caldari....(( The Amarr no so much but I associate them with Space Marines so....well.....2m armoured giants, screaming litanies of hate and faith at their enemies...)) Yes, I've found myself admiring caldari after their brains where splattered on my face, good fighters, annoying. Amarr, well, I'd rather not take another forge gun to the face, I think this is the biggest perk of being a neutral merc. I can kill anyone, but I 'm not to blame.. People do sometimes, though. I find that amusing. (So true xD) Ain't nothing I need except stone cold ISK.-Mistaahh Juvenile, neutral mercenary.
True Adamance Fatal Absolution 4564	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:30:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No of course we aren't all good. I just got back from eliminating a rogue agent while he was sleeping in the same bed with his wife. Boom. Struck right in the danger zone. But if we are messed up then the Caldari and Amarr are just despicable. Is that an act of evil as your people perceive it? Sound like it was duty and necessity to me. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
DeadlyAztec11 2500	Posted - 2013.12.06 00:06:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No of course we aren't all good. I just got back from eliminating a rogue agent while he was sleeping in the same bed with his wife. Boom. Struck right in the danger zone. But if we are messed up then the Caldari and Amarr are just despicable. Is that an act of evil as your people perceive it? Sound like it was duty and necessity to me. It was a lack of lawful justice. We should have brought him to a court of justice to be tried. But nope, we just killed him. I don't even think he was rogue, we never did get any hard evidence. Oh well. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 136	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:31:00 - [10] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. True not all of the Amarr are good but then humans are imperfect & possibly it is impossible for a enitre government to be 110% good without 1 bad citizen

Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 721	Posted - 2013.12.06 22:29:00 - [11] - Quote I'm living proof that the gallente aren't all good. no one is. The amarr are vicious slavers with the most pervasive of problems: Faith that they cannot be wrong and never will be wrong. The gallente are run by a president and his(very well trained) thugs who'll silence anyone who speaks out. The caldari will cast you out to die if it leads to better profit margins. and the minmatar are stagnating with political infighting among the tribes preventing anything meaningful from getting done. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 373	Posted - 2013.12.07 00:29:00 - [12] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: The caldari will cast you out to die if it leads to better profit margins. While that's technically true, let's please remember that the ideal Caldari corporation and the ideal Gallente corporation are quite different things. The Gallentean corporation is a purely profit-seeking entity, a private device for making money. The ideal Gallente corporation produces nothing, employs no one, and rakes in the ISK. A Caldari corporation is the farthest thing from private, even as it follows the same structural model. The ideal Caldari corporation employs, protects, governs, and provides goods and services for a nation (or a substantial subset of one) in addition to raking in the ISK. The corporations have forgotten this at least once. The lower castes reminded them.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 721	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:47:00 - [13] - Quote but nothing is ideal my friend. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 375	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:56:00 - [14] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: but nothing is ideal my friend. Of course not. However, the ideal reflects what we work towards. A Gallentean corporation, even in principle, works to benefit its shareholders at the cost of all others-- customers, employees, the entire world. It is a wealth concentration device. A Caldari megacorporation is a societal governing structure. It aspires to no such limited end; its utility is in its value to the Caldari people. Profits are awfully nice, but the basic purpose differs: it is a governing as well as a corporate entity, and must fulfill a government's duties. A Gallentean corporation exists, in principle, for its shareholders. A Caldari corporation exists, in principle, for the Caldari.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 721	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:08:00 - [15] - Quote yup. 's why I like the caldari. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:40:00 - [16] - Quote we as human (merc or not) are far from flawless we are all corrupt in some way they are all terrible to me yet still i fight for them "Bring me a sane man and i shall cure him" - Sir Ravenwing
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 375	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:30:00 - [17] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: we as human (merc or not) are far from flawless we are all corrupt in some way they are all terrible to me yet still i fight for them Well, they do pay you, after all. Regardless, yes, everybody's got their faults. Not only does every system have its downsides, you also invariably have that point where theory meets practice. "The way things are supposed to work" is a model, but one that isn't quite a reality no matter where you go.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 138	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:24:00 - [18] - Quote Glad to see all the thoughts going on around this
Agent Monroe Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.12.11 11:26:00 - [19] - Quote What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7402	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:44:00 - [20] - Quote So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 377	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:38:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"? Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way. Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4779	Posted - 2013.12.11 21:01:00 - [22] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"? Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way. Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall. I find this argument beautiful in a way I cannot articulate. It speaks of a certain elegance in the way your express yourself. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7438	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:34:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"? Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way. Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall. I find this argument beautiful in a way I cannot articulate. It speaks of a certain elegance in the way your express yourself. Cultural relativism is the refuge of the unjust. Any criminal can create a culture with his fellow a-holes, and say "but its just my cultural practice to murder and **", but that doesn't make it any less wrong. It is true that religion is not needed to practice slavery, but it sure helps if your holy book is encouraging you to do it. My distaste for the practice is not born from "cultural programming", but basic empathy; something the Amarr have allowed to be overwritten by their virulent faith. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt** Gû¦Gû+
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 377	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:25:00 - [24] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Cultural relativism is the refuge of the unjust. Any criminal can create a culture with his fellow a-holes, and say "but its just my cultural practice to murder and ***", but that doesn't make it any less wrong. It is true that religion is not needed to practice slavery, but it sure helps if your holy book is encouraging you to do it. My distaste for the practice is not born from "cultural programming", but basic empathy; something the Amarr have allowed to be overwritten by their virulent faith. The term for my outlook is flat-out "moral relativism." A slaver dog is not evil simply because it eats people given the chance; that is the proper way to live as a slaver dog. You may consider me unjust if you wish; I am indeed unjust, whether by your standards or those of my people, but that has very little to do with this belief. It is a quality common to my sect, and much of my faith. We try to do as is proper for us; we do not presume to dictate to others what is right for them. That does not prevent me from killing you for threatening what I love, only from claiming you are "evil" as a justification for doing it. I can look you in the eye, and admit your humanity-- admit, even, that regardless of our differences, under other circumstances we might have been friends-- then activate the virus that will corrupt your transfer and shoot you through the eye. It takes courage to kill someone you recognize as a fellow human being. It is easy to kill monsters. The trick of telling ourselves our enemies are less than human is called dehumanization. It's a technique used across New Eden to get soldiers to overcome their natural empathy, and also by xenophobes to persuade people to murder shopkeepers and janitors. The fascinating thing is that it works equally well in dictatorships and democracies. By believing that they slay monsters, those who lack the courage to kill a man gain the strength to pull the trigger. Insisting that your enemies are evil is the refuge of a moral coward. It's a common quality of those who cannot face the idea that those they kill are simply ... people. As for the linked topic of biological empathy, Mr. Horned Wolf, in humans it generally applies to a circle of about 140 people-- a small village. That is the sort of creatures we originally are, and is one of the reasons why you find it so easy to condemn those of other cultures: your biology allows, perhaps even encourages you, to condemn and murder those who are different from you. Civilization is largely about working around that limit by various means. The Amarr have done so successfully on an interplanetary scale for many thousands of years to a degree the Federation can only dream about. I would consider them enemies if they tried to conquer my homeworld, but that does not mean I cannot admire the accomplishment. *fictitious, as far as I know; included for clarity of meaning
GARRUS2 Vakarian Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:26:00 - [25] - Quote Agent Monroe wrote: What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mass Effect? anybody?
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4872	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:14:00 - [26] - Quote GARRUS2 Vakarian wrote: Agent Monroe wrote: What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Technically that is not true, the Gallente political systems are essentially controlled by massive voting blocs, if your ideals don't match up with those of the biggest then your votes mean nothing. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Disciple Of Kesha Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 25	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:46:00 - [27] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"? Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way. Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall. Great arguments - I'm going to start quoting you. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall - Yun Hee Ryeon
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 165	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:02:00 - [28] - Quote The degree of arguing a point here is at a great level of understanding to which i'm glad to see. In RL I disapprove of slavery as I find it unneccesary in our world but when I came to New Eden I do as I always do when lookign at a new world. I came with the freshest perspective I could & looked at all 4 cultures. The Gallente & Amarr are my 2 favorite but I came to settle with The Amarr & they're culture for varying reasons. Which I have discussed & gone over. As you can see somewhat why from my first post to open this thread. True, humans do lie to themselves. If your threatening another culture & what they cherish/find dear then they will defend it. Recognising we are all human & then able to clearly fight them seeing them as they could've been your friend once is seeing The Truth. But we lie to ourselves & make it where we see others as "Monsters" or as "The Lord As The Flies" might say "The Beastie" in us all. That way it becomes easier to kill another & not dwell on it or to gain the courage to do so. Infact a anime called "Monster" somewhat covers this.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 165	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:20:00 - [29] - Quote GARRUS2 Vakarian wrote: Agent Monroe wrote: What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too bad it's the game's actual lore we're getting this from - I have the facts & the truth to which your arguement to it is "I'm Right - Your Wrong" sad & pathetic. Come Back with FACTS next time.... Or atleast a intelligent arguement....
echo47 Minmatar Republic 134	Posted - 2013.12.22 04:02:00 - [30] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: GARRUS2 Vakarian wrote: Agent Monroe wrote: What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too bad it's the game's actual lore we're getting this from - I have the facts & the truth to which your arguement to it is "I'm Right - Your Wrong" sad & pathetic. Come Back with FACTS next time.... Or atleast a intelligent arguement.... I need facts. What was the reclamation exactly and what was th e result? I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.

Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 183	Posted - 2013.12.22 06:40:00 - [31] - Quote echo47 wrote: I need facts. What was the reclamation exactly and what was th e result? The reclaiming was the great Amarrian undertaking to 'reclaim' the other races of New Eden. Bascially, this meant the Minmatar, because the Gallente were equal in military strength to the Empire at the time, and the emperor wasn't crazy enough to try and attack them. The result was the enslavement / eradication of most of the Minmatar race. there is a good reason the Minmatar hate the Amarrians. Apart from their enslavement, the Amarrians used excessive force wherever they could to shock the Minmatar into submission, usually through wide-scale orbital bombardment. The reclaiming itself was slow going and lasted a very long time, even right up to the point of the Minmatar rebellion. Quote from the story 'Theodicy': GÇ£Do you have the latest casualty estimates for Eanna?GÇ¥ There was a pause. GÇ£At last pass, sixty-three million dead, mostly from orbital bombardment directed at population centers. One million or so killed during the surface landings; another million in subsequent ground combat. At least two million were taken as slaves, but we wonGÇÖt know exact numbers for some time.GÇ¥ Because of events shortly after the bombardment of Eanna, the Jovians involved themselves in the affair, and volunteered to smuggle massive amounts of Gallentean weapons to the Minmatar, as well as stage the Battle of Vak'Aioth. The humiliating defeat the Amarr suffered at the hands of the Jove rippled through the empire and signaled the start of the rebellion.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 166	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:28:00 - [32] - Quote Or if you were refering to what The Reclaiming is considered in our religion/culture it's basically the belief that God made the universe & it was meant for the faithful but over-time it was lost to the sinful & the corrupt. Thus god told The Amarr to "Reclaim" his lost creations & worlds. Also to show the sinful the right way. But that's it in basic terms so I will bring you what our scriptures say. Book Of Reclaiming "I give to you the destiny of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13 "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45 And the Lord spoke, and said, Lo, my people, Witness, for I have made the worlds of Heaven; And these worlds I give to you, My Chosen, So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens. None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim, Who serve Me as others shall serve you, For all things under Me serve one higher; So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens. As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea; As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf; Yet all under Heaven serve Me; So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens. - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 166	Posted - 2013.12.23 18:43:00 - [33] - Quote As being a Amarrian religous reformist I personally do not like The Amarr forcing they're will on others. That is why I understand the Minmitar I just reject they're continued hatred. I hope 1 day the 2 work together or something. So I see The Book Of Reclaiming in a different way. I bleieve Reclaiming is only ok in defence or if land/territory is lost during a war or something. Then it can be reclaimed otherwise invading & taking worlds I do not approve of without a very high, reasonable & good reason. The Book Of Reclaiming is seen & used differently by the emperors & Empresses. Some barely pay attention to it, some don't believe in it, some use it as reason for war campaign. The Amarr has a very lloonnggg Authority Rank system. Though some rankings are close to each-other or near being the same class. Not really counting other races since they're technically not in The Amarr Empire. At the very bottom are those who's name is removed from The Book Of Life (I believe it's called) which has everyone's name it, for they're name to be removed from the book takes something unspeakable & extremely evil only some few have been removed from it & it's considered a far worse punishment then being a servant. Servants are eventually redeemed those who have they're name struck from the book is beyond redemption in the living world. Then theirs servants, then they're keepers, then the normal population merchants, scholars and etc., then I think theirs the military, then theirs the military generals/advisers to The Emperor or Empress, then High Ranked Religous Advisers/Scholars to The Emperor or Empress, Then theirs The 5 Heirs, Then The Emperor &/or Empress, then The Speaker Of Truths, then The Sefrim a.k.a Angels from Heaven, then theirs God itself.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 166	Posted - 2013.12.23 19:09:00 - [34] - Quote After the start of it all The Recliaming time basically died down alot. The majority of The Minmitar I assume was the only conqurored race that really were.... hostile? They never adapted to it? Not sure what the right term would be but they never intigrated with The Amarr like the other conquored races so The Amarr during the Minmitar servant time prior to The Republic being born you see The Amarr having come up with things like Slaver Hounds. You don't find records prior to The Minmitar of such extentsive ideas & creations to keep the servants from being.... bad?. Atleast not to my knowledge. Eventually The Minmitar somehow got ships & stuff (which The Amarr as well as everyone else still have no idea how they got everything) & rebelled, enough rebelled that they went on to form The Republic. Though some Minmitar remained & some stayed because they liked The Amarr. It's all rather complex lore....
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5240	Posted - 2013.12.24 05:14:00 - [35] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: As being a Amarrian religous reformist I personally do not like The Amarr forcing they're will on others. That is why I understand the Minmitar I just reject they're continued hatred. I hope 1 day the 2 work together or something. So I see The Book Of Reclaiming in a different way. I bleieve Reclaiming is only ok in defence or if land/territory is lost during a war or something. Then it can be reclaimed otherwise invading & taking worlds I do not approve of without a very high, reasonable & good reason. But I don't deny the wrong done to them for this is 1 of the evils of The Amarr but it was very long ago basically around at the beginning of the Book Of Reclaiming. I believe which was millions or thousands of years ago in New Eden. The Book Of Reclaiming is seen & used differently by the emperors & Empresses. Some barely pay attention to it, some don't believe in it, some use it as reason for war campaign. It varies & depends on the ruler & they're personality. The Amarr have a very lloonnggg Authority Ranking system. Though some rankings are close to each-other or near being the same class. Not really counting other races since they're technically not in The Amarr Empire. At the very bottom are those who's name is removed from The Book Of Life (I believe it's called) which has everyone's name it, for they're name to be removed from the book takes something unspeakable & extremely evil only some few have been removed from it & it's considered a far worse punishment then being a servant. Servants are eventually redeemed those who have they're name struck from the book is beyond redemption in the living world. Then theirs servants, then they're keepers, then the normal population merchants, scholars and etc., then I think theirs the military, then theirs the military generals/advisers to The Emperor or Empress, then High Ranked Religous Advisers/Scholars to The Emperor or Empress, Then the Royal families, Then theirs The 5 Heirs, Then The Emperor &/or Empress, then The Speaker Of Truths, then The Sefrim a.k.a Angels from Heaven, then theirs God itself. You are dangerously close to heresy Vinsarrow, like many others who seem to think they know how to interpret Gods will I only say this. Do not cross the Empire. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 169	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:24:00 - [36] - Quote Well I stated what they can find out on they're own. I was asked after-all. I'm open-minded & see things differently hince why i'm a Amarrian religious reformist but I find very little to change about the Amarr. My arguement has sometimes been that The 4 Empires (not including The Jove) are not all good I find The Amarr to be least bad. But they aren't perfect none are it's impossible to be perhaps. Dagger & the question brought forth some of the bad of The Amarr. But the apex of The Reclaiming was long ago sure it's still done to a extent but it's being done currently how I think it should be done. I also just explained the ranking system best I can it's very complex. The Empresses & The Emperors through-out Amarr history has seen & used the book of Reclaiming differently it usually varies. Empress Jamyl the current Empress so far is 1 if not the best leader The Amarr has ever had & she has done many great things for The Amarr & others I have yet to see 1 bad thing about her I highly agree with everything she has done & is doing so far.
Tron Draconis We Who Walk Alone 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:38:00 - [37] - Quote What I don't understand is, some people make it sound as if they aren't part of a controlling system that gives them the idea to believe that what they are saying is right, All 4 Empires have done bad, and good to benefit themselves, the Gallente represent themselves as True Liberators, some would confused them with Americans, All the Alliances would be confused for Americans, but lts face it, There's a reason why all 4 Empires came from within the Government body of Earth, let me repeat that EARTH!, the ancestors of every human in New Eden, meaning, that no matter where we go, no matter what Alliance you go to, you will find the same things that you find on Current Earth, Slavery, Greed, deception, Lies, and most importantly, a system of control so perfect, that the human mind doesn't recognize it, right now, our beliefs aren't ours, they are a combination of knowledge that we all acquire throughout the years, so at this moment, we have no right to judge another alliance for things that the rest of the alliances do, whether is in secret, or not. Let make this Example, and tell me how you would feel, So there are 4 humans, all from Caldari, Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar, Lets say that each of these humans were a brother to you or sister, and they were found guilty of treason, and burned alive to show example of treason, Then a few weeks ago, you receive a message from your now Dead Brother or sister, about how they were innocent, do you believe what the message says, or do you turn a blind eye and believe what your Government tells you? If the answer is You do believe in the message, then what would you do, a revolution? Rebellion? maybe you think about it, maybe all four of these Alliance's Govt will kill you, and your whole entire family just to shut you up. Now of course, because the 4 Humans from all different Alliances aren't your family, you don't give a damn about them, or do you? would sacrifice you and your family for the sake of another, or are you now thinking of maybe the answer is you believe in the Govt, and turn a blind eye.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 830	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:43:00 - [38] - Quote Tron Draconis wrote: What I don't understand is, some people make it sound as if they aren't part of a controlling system that gives them the idea to believe that what they are saying is right, All 4 Empires have done bad, and good to benefit themselves, the Gallente represent themselves as True Liberators, some would confused them with Americans, All the Alliances would be confused for Americans, but lts face it, There's a reason why all 4 Empires came from within the Government body of Earth, let me repeat that EARTH!, the ancestors of every human in New Eden, meaning, that no matter where we go, no matter what Alliance you go to, you will find the same things that you find on Current Earth, Slavery, Greed, deception, Lies, and most importantly, a system of control so perfect, that the human mind doesn't recognize it, right now, our beliefs aren't ours, they are a combination of knowledge that we all acquire throughout the years, so at this moment, we have no right to judge another alliance for things that the rest of the alliances do, whether is in secret, or not. Let make this Example, and tell me how you would feel, So there are 4 humans, all from Caldari, Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar, Lets say that each of these humans were a brother to you or sister, and they were found guilty of treason, and burned alive to show example of treason, Then a few weeks ago, you receive a message from your now Dead Brother or sister, about how they were innocent, do you believe what the message says, or do you turn a blind eye and believe what your Government tells you? If the answer is You do believe in the message, then what would you do, a revolution? Rebellion? maybe you think about it, maybe all four of these Alliance's Govt will kill you, and your whole entire family just to shut you up. Now of course, because the 4 Humans from all different Alliances aren't your family, you don't give a damn about them, or do you? would sacrifice you and your family for the sake of another, or are you now thinking of maybe the answer is you believe in the Govt, and turn a blind eye. Your entire argument was invalidated the moment you mentioned Terra. I don't listen to delusioned people. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
Tron Draconis We Who Walk Alone 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:52:00 - [39] - Quote Have you seen the Origins Trailer for Eve? because we all do come from Terra as you may call it, a Bridge was found that took humans to New Eden, then it Collapse. my Argument is just. Maybe you should learn your facts first before you comment.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 830	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:04:00 - [40] - Quote Tron Draconis wrote: Have you seen the Origins Trailer for Eve? because we all do come from Terra as you may call it, a Bridge was found that took humans to New Eden, then it Collapse. my Argument is just. Maybe you should learn your facts first before you comment. ((1. Read the rules, specifically the one about In Character 2. Not everything CCP makes can be considered canon, specifically the Origins trailer 3. Read here. Before you start calling me misinformed, look up the facts yourself first)) Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st

Tron Draconis We Who Walk Alone 1	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:12:00 - [41] - Quote So mentioning Terra is Prohibited because is a myth in Eve universe. Yet CCP mentions it on their own Main Page. Wow
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 830	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:35:00 - [42] - Quote Tron Draconis wrote: According to what you depict is out of character. When CCP comes in this forum and tells me themselves, then I believe, not some random person focused on what you believe and what I believe is different. this is what makes us human, just because I don't see what you see, doesn't mean my argument is invalid. So everything I say and write must be in Character based on what other people believe is in character, because I don't see any examples on the rules. so therefor, my argument isn't out of character. ((Alright, let's break this down. First things first, you'd have to learn the difference between In Character and Out Of Character. When I'm Out Of Character, I put brackets around my writings. This Out Of Character text is different from the person who is writing In Character. What I did with my first reply to you, is where my character dismissed your grand argument in the fact that you mentioned Terra and a lot of things that did not exist in the New Eden universe. Then you insisted that what you knew was true based on a trailer you saw on YouTube, and I then explained to you Out Of Character that the specific trailer you mentioned can't be considered canon. Now, what you and I believe is irrelevant, because what I believe is backed up by CCP, in several different articles. If you didn't know, the EVElopedia, which covers both EVE Online and DUST 514, is maintained by CCP staff, or volunteer GMs approved by CCP staff. From this we can deduct that what is in the EVElopedia is true, and not just something a collective of people happened to believe in. The first thing to counter your argument is again, this post describing the guidelines of roleplaying in EVE, and by extension DUST 514 because both games are set in the same universe. In the guidelines section it says: Roleplay wrote: What Earth? - Prime Fiction (the definitive statement from CCP of "what is" in the Eve universe) states that Earth was a long time ago and mostly remembered as a myth if at all. Avoid references to earth, history and the present day; keep the focus on sci-fi RP in the Eve setting. This clearly states that Earth is a myth, and any references to it should be avoided. If you do so, you are considered a lunatic in character. Now you might say that the YouTube video is more recent and overwrites this guideline. Fair point, but let me present you this article, detailing what information is in character and what information isn't. At the very bottom, there is a section about YouTube videos: YouTube Videos wrote: Links are OK: With few exceptions, no References are OK: With few exceptions, no Videos (or "holoreels") are very prone to breaking the fourth wall, and discretion should be used in each case. Some informative "lore" videos are fine (for example, Day of Darkness II), though they may be dismissed as propaganda. So we conclude that most of the YouTube videos that CCP has made about EVE Online and DUST 514 break the fourth wall heavily, and you should avoid using them in RP. This is a fact, not just something I believe in. The reason this is so because most YouTube videos CCP makes are promotional material, designed to get the attention of viewers and possibly get new customers, not as a canon source of information. Even if the EVElopedia wasn't maintained by CCP, and in some parts it isn't, from these articles we can conclude that the majority of roleplayers in both EVE and DUST have decided that references to Earth should be avoided, as are using YouTube videos in roleplay. Your beliefs won't change that no matter what. Now, if you would have realized the difference between In Character and Out of Character, you would have made this debate in DUST 514 Fiction, which discusses the lore from an out of character point of view where using real life examples is fine. If you want to do debates within the Intergalactic Summit, which is In Character, you have to know the difference between what is and what isn't In Character knowledge, and base your debates on that.)) Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 157	Posted - 2014.01.09 13:42:00 - [43] - Quote If you think any Faction in New Eden is wholly good than you are a fool.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5491	Posted - 2014.01.09 18:52:00 - [44] - Quote Akdhar Saif wrote: If you think any Faction in New Eden is wholly good than you are a fool. ((Or RPing a loyal citizen of that faction, given how indoctrinated to the ideals each faction represents in new eden the people are....well its almost odd being in the grey zone between the empires.)) To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Hawk-eye Occultus Omega Elite Mercs INC. 3	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:18:00 - [45] - Quote I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned Sansha's Nation. I mean, they seem to have some sort of utopian dream going on. Granted, it does involve slave implants; but humans are too untrustworthy to be expected to make utopia without some sort of hook. *Falling is, in many ways; just like that thing that we call "Flying"...* Right up until you hit the ground.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5673	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:26:00 - [46] - Quote Hawk-eye Occultus wrote: I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned Sansha's Nation. I mean, they seem to have some sort of utopian dream going on. Granted, it does involve slave implants; but humans are too untrustworthy to be expected to make utopia without some sort of hook. Its more that the Nation strips from you your very sense of being and self....you are manipulated body and souls for the purposes of on man with a godcomplex. "Face the enemy as a solid wall. For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach" -Askura 10:3
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 389	Posted - 2014.01.15 06:12:00 - [47] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Hawk-eye Occultus wrote: I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned Sansha's Nation. I mean, they seem to have some sort of utopian dream going on. Granted, it does involve slave implants; but humans are too untrustworthy to be expected to make utopia without some sort of hook. Its more that the Nation strips from you your very sense of being and self....you are manipulated body and souls for the purposes of on man with a godcomplex. The Templar Crusader has the right of it. Sansha's Nation may once have had a valid path, but its Master is a paragon of arrogance. Arrogant actions cast ripples through the world, and those ripples bring consequences. The deeper the arrogance, the stronger the ripple-- or wave. The depth of Sansha Kuvakei's arrogance may be observed in the sheer numbers who have died, or, worse, lost their minds, their identities ... their souls, it seems safe even to say, in the great waves his arrogance has caused.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 175	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:24:00 - [48] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Hawk-eye Occultus wrote: I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned Sansha's Nation. I mean, they seem to have some sort of utopian dream going on. Granted, it does involve slave implants; but humans are too untrustworthy to be expected to make utopia without some sort of hook. Its more that the Nation strips from you your very sense of being and self....you are manipulated body and souls for the purposes of on man with a godcomplex. The Templar Crusader has the right of it. Sansha's Nation may once have had a valid path, but its Master is a paragon of arrogance. Arrogant actions cast ripples through the world, and those ripples bring consequences. The deeper the arrogance, the stronger the ripple-- or wave. The depth of Sansha Kuvakei's arrogance may be observed in the sheer numbers who have died, or, worse, lost their minds, their identities ... their souls, it seems safe even to say, in the great waves his arrogance has caused. Ah so you know of it as well.... This relates to something I refer to as the ripple effect but it effects both sides - it is caused when 2 Factions face each-other with up to 7 or more alliances backing them both, the 2 sides engage in a massive "World War" of sorts effecting MANY groups & people, a type of butterfly effect but not exactly & it will be very deep, dramatic, relatively long & ruthless. Eventually 1 side wins. The looser of course either falls apart completely destroyed or becomes a pathetic shell. But over time the winning side will feel the effects (ripples from the war sent down through a long period of time, eroding away the winner) thus slowly falling apart due to things caused by that war, eventually it reaches it's apex & the winner also will fall apart. To this day I know only of 1 group that somewhat survived the ripple effect out of far over 25 groups.
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 614	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:30:00 - [49] - Quote My favourite examples of the Gallente ws in the book Templar one. Spoiler Near the end of the book all 4 empires are wanting to converge over a world with Immortal soldiers. The Gallente President, who was a Capsuleer, was in front of the press telling the camera's that he would never order military actions against the Caldari. At the same time he has communications open to his generals and is using that mind link to order an attack of a Caldari fleet.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 866	Posted - 2014.01.16 07:34:00 - [50] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: My favourite examples of the Gallente ws in the book Templar one. Spoiler Near the end of the book all 4 empires are wanting to converge over a world with Immortal soldiers. The Gallente President, who was a Capsuleer, was in front of the press telling the camera's that he would never order military actions against the Caldari. At the same time he has communications open to his generals and is using that mind link to order an attack of a Caldari fleet. ((Templar One book does not exist in New Eden, and using the mind link to order the attack is not public knowledge)) Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 14th

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5816	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:26:00 - [51] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: My favourite examples of the Gallente ws in the book Templar one. Spoiler Near the end of the book all 4 empires are wanting to converge over a world with Immortal soldiers. The Gallente President, who was a Capsuleer, was in front of the press telling the camera's that he would never order military actions against the Caldari. At the same time he has communications open to his generals and is using that mind link to order an attack of a Caldari fleet. ((Facepalms..... of course the President of the Federation would not openly admit to or threaten the State with military action. Publicly speaking the Gallente are the masters of mass media and propaganda. If their president were to be seen taking action to agress upon the Caldari or break the fragile cluster wide peace his people would be vilified.)) "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 135	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:53:00 - [52] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: My favourite examples of the Gallente ws in the book Templar one. Spoiler Near the end of the book all 4 empires are wanting to converge over a world with Immortal soldiers. The Gallente President, who was a Capsuleer, was in front of the press telling the camera's that he would never order military actions against the Caldari. At the same time he has communications open to his generals and is using that mind link to order an attack of a Caldari fleet. Roden an arms manufacture and military ship builder who amassed a fortune to become the Gallente president....a war profiteer. I find hilarious all the voices that say the Gallente are a peace loving democracy. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist


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