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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.12.07 00:29:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:The caldari will cast you out to die if it leads to better profit margins.
While that's technically true, let's please remember that the ideal Caldari corporation and the ideal Gallente corporation are quite different things.
The Gallentean corporation is a purely profit-seeking entity, a private device for making money. The ideal Gallente corporation produces nothing, employs no one, and rakes in the ISK.
A Caldari corporation is the farthest thing from private, even as it follows the same structural model. The ideal Caldari corporation employs, protects, governs, and provides goods and services for a nation (or a substantial subset of one) in addition to raking in the ISK.
The corporations have forgotten this at least once. The lower castes reminded them. |
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:56:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:but nothing is ideal my friend.
Of course not. However, the ideal reflects what we work towards.
A Gallentean corporation, even in principle, works to benefit its shareholders at the cost of all others-- customers, employees, the entire world. It is a wealth concentration device.
A Caldari megacorporation is a societal governing structure. It aspires to no such limited end; its utility is in its value to the Caldari people. Profits are awfully nice, but the basic purpose differs: it is a governing as well as a corporate entity, and must fulfill a government's duties.
A Gallentean corporation exists, in principle, for its shareholders.
A Caldari corporation exists, in principle, for the Caldari. |
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:30:00 -
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sir ravenwing wrote:we as human (merc or not) are far from flawless we are all corrupt in some way they are all terrible to me yet still i fight for them
Well, they do pay you, after all.
Regardless, yes, everybody's got their faults. Not only does every system have its downsides, you also invariably have that point where theory meets practice. "The way things are supposed to work" is a model, but one that isn't quite a reality no matter where you go. |
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Posted - 2013.12.11 18:38:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so.
And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"?
Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way.
Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are.
Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall. |
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:25:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Cultural relativism is the refuge of the unjust. Any criminal can create a culture with his fellow a-holes, and say "but its just my cultural practice to murder and ****", but that doesn't make it any less wrong.
It is true that religion is not needed to practice slavery, but it sure helps if your holy book is encouraging you to do it.
My distaste for the practice is not born from "cultural programming", but basic empathy; something the Amarr have allowed to be overwritten by their virulent faith.
The term for my outlook is flat-out "moral relativism." A slaver dog is not evil simply because it eats people given the chance; that is the proper way to live as a slaver dog. You may consider me unjust if you wish; I am indeed unjust, whether by your standards or those of my people, but that has very little to do with this belief. It is a quality common to my sect, and much of my faith. We try to do as is proper for us; we do not presume to dictate to others what is right for them.
That does not prevent me from killing you for threatening what I love, only from claiming you are "evil" as a justification for doing it. I can look you in the eye, and admit your humanity-- admit, even, that regardless of our differences, under other circumstances we might have been friends-- then activate the virus that will corrupt your transfer* and shoot you through the eye.
It takes courage to kill someone you recognize as a fellow human being. It is easy to kill monsters. The trick of telling ourselves our enemies are less than human is called dehumanization. It's a technique used across New Eden to get soldiers to overcome their natural empathy, and also by xenophobes to persuade people to murder shopkeepers and janitors. The fascinating thing is that it works equally well in dictatorships and democracies.
By believing that they slay monsters, those who lack the courage to kill a man gain the strength to pull the trigger.
Insisting that your enemies are evil is the refuge of a moral coward. It's a common quality of those who cannot face the idea that those they kill are simply ... people.
As for the linked topic of biological empathy, Mr. Horned Wolf, in humans it generally applies to a circle of about 140 people-- a small village. That is the sort of creatures we originally are, and is one of the reasons why you find it so easy to condemn those of other cultures: your biology allows, perhaps even encourages you, to condemn and murder those who are different from you.
Civilization is largely about working around that limit by various means. The Amarr have done so successfully on an interplanetary scale for many thousands of years to a degree the Federation can only dream about. I would consider them enemies if they tried to conquer my homeworld, but that does not mean I cannot admire the accomplishment.
*fictitious, as far as I know; included for clarity of meaning |
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True Adamance wrote:Hawk-eye Occultus wrote:I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned Sansha's Nation. I mean, they seem to have some sort of utopian dream going on.
Granted, it does involve slave implants; but humans are too untrustworthy to be expected to make utopia without some sort of hook. Its more that the Nation strips from you your very sense of being and self....you are manipulated body and souls for the purposes of on man with a godcomplex.
The Templar Crusader has the right of it. Sansha's Nation may once have had a valid path, but its Master is a paragon of arrogance.
Arrogant actions cast ripples through the world, and those ripples bring consequences. The deeper the arrogance, the stronger the ripple-- or wave. The depth of Sansha Kuvakei's arrogance may be observed in the sheer numbers who have died, or, worse, lost their minds, their identities ... their souls, it seems safe even to say, in the great waves his arrogance has caused. |
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